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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2010, 01:20:48 PM »
Site tried to post my reply two seperate times, but I caught it.  Come on lurker you are smarter than that.....  you smart guy you.

Oh, which one of those two replies had the answer to my question in it?

Let's try again.

Are you an atheist?  Yes or no?

Despite your claims of someone else (haha) hiding, dodging, twisting words, etc...   *yawn*...   it seems my observation of self projection is correct.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2010, 01:22:42 PM »
Dr. Kennedy has written such books,

How is the Hitler created evolution coming along?

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2010, 01:26:17 PM »
Oh, which one of those two replies had the answer to my question in it?

Let's try again.

Are you an atheist?  Yes or no?

Despite your claims of someone else (haha) hiding, dodging, twisting words, etc...   *yawn*...   it seems my observation of self projection is correct.

It's a common theist ploy to twist others' words to suit their purposes, all the while providing no actual proof of anything.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2010, 01:35:10 PM »
Congratulations on the new addition to your family, sincerely. I graduated University 20 years ago and am currently taking schooling which furthers my education with regards to my business. It's a never ending process unfortunately.

Perhaps I should have explained the phrase 'merely being Atheist further' for your understanding. I assumed you understood what Atheism meant. Sorry about that.

This is the broad definition of Atheism as defined by Wikipedia.

Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no deities.[1] Other definitions include the absence of belief that any deities exist, or the rejection of belief in the existence of any deities, with or without an assertion that no deities exist

Now view the video once again and, why again does the fellow advise against voting for an Atheist candidate? Every argument presented for not agreeing with Atheism stems from this one point and branches out. 'If you don't believe in god then.... ad infinitum'.

In other words, Atheists are vilified for no reason other than the fact they are Atheists. The average voter, apparently, doesn't care about the intelligence of their political representative, only that they have something in common with the average joe. Or 'Joe the Plumber' for that fact. Personally, I'd rather have someone more intelligent than I, making the decisions that could affect my Country.



I get what you're saying. However, MY point was that we've seen "atheists" (anti-theists would be a better term), who go WAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond that definition you just posted.

They don't simply believe that there is no God; they have an expressed disdain for those who do believe in God. That's not smart, if those same folks are going to potentially put you in office.

And, if you check out some of these atheist sites, again, it ain't about simply not believing in God. It's about an expressed attempt to rid their country (and eventually the world) of religion, Christianity in particular.

Edit - Thanks for your kind words.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2010, 01:36:34 PM »
How is the Hitler created evolution coming along?

Don't know. Perhaps, a better question would be how well those Obama booty shorts fit you.


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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2010, 01:54:56 PM »
Don't know. Perhaps, a better question would be how well those Obama booty shorts fit you.



No explanation or defense for the little belief and book of the crackpot you keep returning to mention? 

[quote = YngiweRhoads ]
It's a common theist ploy to twist others' words to suit their purposes, all the while providing no actual proof of anything.[/quote]

True.  True.  Which is why there is complete deflection and avoidance of questions put to them.  Even simple questions.  You know.... like yes or no type.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #81 on: March 01, 2010, 02:03:05 PM »
I get what you're saying. However, MY point was that we've seen "atheists" (anti-theists would be a better term), who go WAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond that definition you just posted.

They don't simply believe that there is no God; they have an expressed disdain for those who do believe in God. That's not smart, if those same folks are going to potentially put you in office.

And, if you check out some of these atheist sites, again, it ain't about simply not believing in God. It's about an expressed attempt to rid their country (and eventually the world) of religion, Christianity in particular.



Again you're stating that there are politicians out there who are Atheists who are belittling the public for their beliefs, when there are none, nor would there be. They would be non-religious and wouldn't make a point of it as being an Atheist isn't something most people promote. A blanket statement regarding the personality of all Atheists is absurd. Especially when you consider there are reportedly 800 million - 1 billion non-religious people in the world. There is no 'Atheist agenda' amongst the majority on non religious people. They are simply people who have decided that it makes no sense to believe in a deity without proof. Any group of people has it's more outspoken individuals, and some do have an agenda, but you'll hardly find an Atheist flying an airplane into a building 'in the name of Atheism'.  

If Obama had come out as an Atheist, do you truly believe the American people would have still put him in Office? He may very well be non-religious behind closed doors. But do you truly believe that he would come out mocking the public due to his non-religous views? That's absurd.
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #82 on: March 01, 2010, 02:05:48 PM »
No explanation or defense for the little belief and book of the crackpot you keep returning to mention? 

True.  True.  Which is why there is complete deflection and avoidance of questions put to them.  Even simple questions.  You know.... like yes or no type.

Kirk Cameron has a video where he attempts to educate theists on how to 'work around the facts', when debating the existence of god with non-religious people.

Crazy stuff.
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #83 on: March 01, 2010, 03:28:36 PM »
lurker i answered your question, its not my fault you are to stupid to get the answer.  sorry

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #84 on: March 01, 2010, 03:32:34 PM »
I answered your question 3 times,  just cause its not the answer you approve of doesnt mean its not an answer, you asked my views on religion , i explained them,  i also explained my views and my back ground in science. If you cant see the answer then maybe you shouldnt be calling anyone dumb!!!

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2010, 04:00:44 PM »
Most aetheists i have met are as screwed up mentally as those they like to mock but are too arrogant to realize it.   
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2010, 05:23:24 PM »
lurker i answered your question, its not my fault you are to stupid to get the answer.  sorry

No, you didn't.

What I am asking can be answered in a simple yes or no.  Which you are obviously incapable of giving.

Are you an antheist.  Yes or No.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #87 on: March 01, 2010, 05:25:21 PM »
I answered your question 3 times,  just cause its not the answer you approve of doesnt mean its not an answer, you asked my views on religion , i explained them,  i also explained my views and my back ground in science. If you cant see the answer then maybe you shouldnt be calling anyone dumb!!!

No, you didn't.

Obviously you think I asked your views and entire back history or whatever on religion.  The question I am asking is nothing of the short.  Giving an answer that isn't even relevant to any part of the question isn't called "answering".  It is called "babbling".

Here is the question.  Are you an atheist?  Yes or no.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2010, 01:43:21 PM »
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2010, 02:00:08 PM »
Its clear liberals are brilliant.Look at the incredible government programs they come up with and see how they manage to bankrupt them in a matter of years.Liberals are never judged on results,just on intentions.So,when the war on poverty is an utter failure,social security is bankrupt,medicare is bankrupt and medicaide is bankrupt,its not the results of these brilliant thinkers that are judged,its their grand intentions.They have failed EVERYTIME over and over again but as long as they have noble intentions they are brilliant.

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(CNN) -- Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.

The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.

The reasoning is that sexual exclusivity in men, liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them.

"The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward," said George Washington University leadership professor James Bailey, who was not involved in the study. "It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."

Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.

The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.

Kanazawa did not find that higher or lower intelligence predicted sexual exclusivity in women. This makes sense, because having one partner has always been advantageous to women, even thousands of years ago, meaning exclusivity is not a "new" preference.

For men, on the other hand, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily. With a goal of spreading genes, early men had multiple mates. Since women had to spend nine months being pregnant, and additional years caring for very young children, it made sense for them to want a steady mate to provide them resources.

Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid, Kanazawa said. Assuming that, for example, a noise in the distance is a signal of a threat helped early humans to prepare in case of danger.

"It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said.

Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found. Atheism "allows someone to move forward and speculate on life without any concern for the dogmatic structure of a religion," Bailey said.

"Historically, anything that's new and different can be seen as a threat in terms of the religious beliefs; almost all religious systems are about permanence," he noted.

The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.

"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said.

Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.

The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106.

It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.

Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."

Vegetarianism, while not strongly associated with IQ in this study, has been shown to be related to intelligence in previous research, Kanazawa said. This also fits into Bailey's idea that unconventional preferences appeal to people with higher intelligence, and can also be a means of showing superiority.

None of this means that the human species is evolving toward a future where these traits are the default, Kanazawa said.

"More intelligent people don't have more children, so moving away from the trajectory is not going to happen," he said.


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Bro - you can't even spell correctly or put forth a coherent argument on anything without resorting to plagiarism. 

Do you really want to go down this road? 

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don't be angry,  i didn't do the study ;D

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Wasnt this already posted like a year ago and brought back from the dead by bigmal a few days ago only to have it reposted again today?

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LOL by that logic straights would be more intelligent than gays b/c its more advantageous to be straight in terms of evolution...

"The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward,"
"It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."


hmmm whos moving the species along? gays or straights hmmm its a toughy  ::)

this study is opinion based not fact based...they are taking arbitrary traits and saying that well b/c of evolution if you posses these traits you are going to be smarter...

"It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people."

LMAO liberals arent for private support they are for PUBLIC support... but hey define it anyway you want to help skew the results...

what was conservative defined as? doesnt say...hmmm wonder why?  ::)

LOL an op ed piece and a poor one at that

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Wasnt this already posted like a year ago and brought back from the dead by bigmal a few days ago only to have it reposted again today?

It's six months old.  http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html

If I get around to it I'll merge with the thread TA created about this. 

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Bro - you can't even spell correctly or put forth a coherent argument on anything without resorting to plagiarism. 

Do you really want to go down this road? 

You beat me to it. Just read Blacken's posts and one can see that this study doesn't prove dick.

Blacken is a retard with the cognitive ability of an elementary school student. But good thing he's a far-left liberal!  ::)

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berzerkFury= nerd

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Wait, so you make a thread about intelligence and then call people who are smarter than you (99% of the people posting on the politics board) nerds? You sound like a winner.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #99 on: August 17, 2010, 12:57:03 PM »
no just you nerdy boy ;D