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Maybe then Jag you agree that white christians wnat Obama Assassinated? Maybe you feel the jews are the real problem around the world? Sound bytes are not what I have only heard. Can I say I have attended anything this man has held? No. I would never do anything of the sort. Sorry Jag.

I said the exact same thing... but my sister made me do it for her. Do you have a sister? 

You are entitled to your opinion on Uncle Louie. If this man was soo "good" and "uplifing" and "inspiring" then I feel he wouldn't be such an outcast.

I suppose the same reasoning could have applied to Ron Paul during the Republican primaries huh? 

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WTF Dude, do you think I have some sort of Farrakhan collection? I'm not one of his followers.

Come on.. you have library... we know. Alphabetically labled too  

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Come on.. you have library... we know. Alphabetically labled too  

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I said the exact same thing... but my sister made me do it for her. Do you have a sister? 

I suppose the same reasoning could have applied to Ron Paul during the Republican primaries huh? 

I do have a sister. She could care the less! ahhaa.

Ron Paul had some good points. The problem with Ron Paul was he wasn't appealing enough. It is too bad you need to be "appealing" to get noticed. I guess Obama would never have been elected.

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Jag: So what are you? Conservative leaning, liberal, centrist? I am curious as I don't think you are too far off from me. Or, maybe you are?

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Jag: So what are you? Conservative leaning, liberal, centrist? I am curious as I don't think you are too far off from me. Or, maybe you are?

I'm a Canadian centrist, which means I vote for the Liberal Party of Canada which is fiscally right, & socially left.
I like Republican ideals, ...however I dislike those in the Republican party and what it has come to stand for.

I tend to lean conservative in my views, however in examining the problems & challenges of the world today, I believe more & more solutions to today's issues & challenges, and many of tommorrows can best be addressed by a move towards the left... to bring this back into balance.

While ideologically a conservative, I don't believe conservatism goes far enough to address the issues we face, or to prevent deeper issues from coming to the forefront, so quite frequently I can be found voting for the party with the right solutions for society overall.

I like Ron Paul's idea of abolishing the Federal Reserve. I think alot of our issues can be solved by that one move alone.

When I took the political spectrum test, it showed me as a moderate left Libertarian.

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I'm a Canadian centrist, which means I vote for the Liberal Party of Canada which is fiscally right, & socially left.
I like Republican ideals, ...however I dislike those in the Republican party and what it has come to stand for.

I tend to lean conservative in my views, however in examining the problems & challenges of the world today, I believe more & more solutions to today's issues & challenges, and many of tommorrows can best be addressed by a move towards the left... to bring this back into balance.

While ideologically a conservative, I don't believe conservatism goes far enough to address the issues we face, or to prevent deeper issues from coming to the forefront, so quite frequently I can be found voting for the party with the right solutions for society overall.

I like Ron Paul's idea of abolishing the Federal Reserve. I think alot of our issues can be solved by that one move alone.

Interesting. I didn't think we are too far off. I agree about the federal reserve. I agree we should pay a flat tax. Regardless of income levels. I am a little skeptical on the left wing having the better answers to today's problems. But I can say the republicans haven't done a good job lately answering them either.  I am fiscally conserative, conservative in foriegn policy, and right to middle ground socially. I think that is where we may differ most, though I feel a women has a right to choose, and what you do in your home is your business. But you fell off the deep end when you said 911 was a conspiracy! hahaha. 

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Interesting. I didn't think we are too far off. I agree about the federal reserve. I agree we should pay a flat tax. Regardless of income levels. I am a little skeptical on the left wing having the better answers to today's problems. But I can say the republicans haven't done a good job lately answering them either.  I am fiscally conserative, conservative in foriegn policy, and right to middle ground socially. I think that is where we may differ most, though I feel a women has a right to choose, and what you do in your home is your business. But you fell off the deep end when you said 911 was a conspiracy! hahaha. 

I don't know that I am for a flat tax. A flat tax puts much more of a burden on the poor.

How was there no conspiracy regarding 911?
It is plain as day the officials sought to do everything in their power to prevent a proper investigation of the crime.

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I don't know that I am for a flat tax. A flat tax puts much more of a burden on the poor.

How was there no conspiracy regarding 911?
It is plain as day the officials sought to do everything in their power to prevent a proper investigation of the crime.

The burdon may fall on the poor if you assume the poor remain that way. My point is a flat tax will REDUCE the burdon on those who create jobs, alowing them (us) to keep more of their money. Hence, this means jobs will be created allowing those who do not have jobs and who are seeking them, to find them. It will alow allow those who are at the brink of starting a business, or invest in other ways to do so because they have more free cash to do it with. This can only create wealth. I know this may sound simplistic, but this 4,000 page IRS document that gets reviewed annually isn't exactly working either.

Conspiracy depends on what you believe. Do I believe the gov't covered up the mistakes, and the lack of an effective plan to combat such an attack, and the series of events that allowed 19 hyjackers into this countery to effectively bring it to its knees for months? I will agree. But the conspiracy that missles took out the WTC, and the Pentagon is just silly. If you believe that, Jag. I'm sorry.

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The burdon may fall on the poor if you assume the poor remain that way. My point is a flat tax will REDUCE the burdon on those who create jobs, alowing them (us) to keep more of their money. Hence, this means jobs will be created allowing those who do not have jobs and who are seeking them, to find them. It will alow allow those who are at the brink of starting a business, or invest in other ways to do so because they have more free cash to do it with. This can only create wealth. I know this may sound simplistic, but this 4,000 page IRS document that gets reviewed annually isn't exactly working either.

Conspiracy depends on what you believe. Do I believe the gov't covered up the mistakes, and the lack of an effective plan to combat such an attack, and the series of events that allowed 19 hyjackers into this countery to effectively bring it to its knees for months? I will agree. But the conspiracy that missles took out the WTC, and the Pentagon is just silly. If you believe that, Jag. I'm sorry.

Look Louis,  
We are in agreement on 911. I never said missiles took out the WTC. I said the truth of who, what, & how those towers came down is so far unknown, ...but we do know there was a massive government conspiracy to conceal the true events of that day.

please see my quoted words below. Sheesh! I'm dealing with such simpletons.    

Proving a conspiracy occurred is not the hard part... that's already been proven.
What's difficult is determining what actually happened on 911.
there is no doubt the gov conspired to conceal the true events of that day.
All that is left to be determined is what, who, & how brought those buildings down.

...except WTC7. What we don't know is why, or when it was rigged, and why it was rigged.
that's the smoking gun.

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i have many doughts of a conspiracy, except on the part of alq and bin ladin on that note yes, they had a huge conspiracy against the usa

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"Truther Jag":  
Don't listen to me, listen to EXPERT engineers at Popular Mechanics. They have debunked EVERY THEORY that the conspiracy believers have thrown out there regarding the way the towers fell. It is actually funny because they completely removed all doubt to a point the truthers have gone back to "analyse their data"... Seems they needed to "fit" the facts to their beliefs. The ol' Conspiracy way. Remeber their doubt that the cell phones wouldn't work on those planes?? Guess what? DEBUNKED!

Look, As a Mechanical Engineer myself, graduate of Manhattan College 1993, We studied the design of the WTC on multiple occasions. The design of the towers actually saved lives that day. If it was constructed as your standard slab/column design the towers would have fallen shortly after impact. This was due to the fact the interior support section for the most part did not take the direct hit. Where is a slab/column design would have failed immediately.
WTC7 for your point took direct impact from the falling debris from both Towers. This building was home to many gov't nerve centers, designed that way to thwart the millenium attack that never happened. In that event, there were a number of diesel storage tanks in it's basement and ground floor needed for generators in the event of a wide spread power outtage. Once the shear amount of debris, some million tons of concrete, steel, and other debris fell a 1/4 mile from the sky at over 100 mph, do you really think this building would have survived? Plus, the insuing 1,200* fires weakening the structure, and you think GW was behind it's demo?

Which leads me to a question I always wanted to ask people... If GW Bush was such a stupid idiot, as portrayed by the liberals and other haters, how could he be soo smart to have pulled off what would be the greatest conspiracy the world has ever seen?? And on top of that, these same liberals said 911 was the link to go to war in Iaq. To evenge his pops previous war, and Saddam's failed attempt at assassinating G HW Bush. So, let's recap shall we Truther?? GWB purportrated the biggest coverup in the history of the world, yet his is a bumbling idiot... If that is true, who REALLY are the idiots?? Hum?  

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"Truther Jag": 
Don't listen to me, listen to EXPERT engineers at Popular Mechanics. They have debunked EVERY THEORY that the conspiracy believers have thrown out there regarding the way the towers fell. It is actually funny because they completely removed all doubt to a point the truthers have gone back to "analyse their data"... Seems they needed to "fit" the facts to their beliefs. The ol' Conspiracy way. Remeber their doubt that the cell phones wouldn't work on those planes?? Guess what? DEBUNKED!

Look, As a Mechanical Engineer myself, graduate of Manhattan College 1993, We studied the design of the WTC on multiple occasions. The design of the towers actually saved lives that day. If it was constructed as your standard slab/column design the towers would have fallen shortly after impact. This was due to the fact the interior support section for the most part did not take the direct hit. Where is a slab/column design would have failed immediately.
WTC7 for your point took direct impact from the falling debris from both Towers. This building was home to many gov't nerve centers, designed that way to thwart the millenium attack that never happened. In that event, there were a number of diesel storage tanks in it's basement and ground floor needed for generators in the event of a wide spread power outtage. Once the shear amount of debris, some million tons of concrete, steel, and other debris fell a 1/4 mile from the sky at over 100 mph, do you really think this building would have survived? Plus, the insuing 1,2000* fires weakening the structure, and you think GW was behind it's demo?

IWhihc leads me to a qyuestion I always wanted to ask people... If GW Bush was such a stupid idiot, as portrayed by the liberals and other haters, how could he be soo smart to have pulled off what would be the greatest conspiracy the world has ever seen?? And on top of that, these same liberals said 911 was the link to go to war in Iaq. To evenge his pops previous war, and Saddam's failed attempt at assassinating G HW Bush. So, let's recap shall we Truther?? GWB purportrated the biggest coverup in the history of the world, yet his is a bumbling idiot... If that is true, who REALLY are the idiots?? Hum? 

Bro - I graduated Manhattan College in 1997. 

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Bro - I graduated Manhattan College in 1997. 

Welcome fellow Jasper... ! What did you grad. with?

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Welcome fellow Jasper... ! What did you grad. with?

Poli Sci - went to law school after.

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Poli Sci - went to law school after.

Good for you... Man, seems soo long ago. You live on campus? I was a commuter. I lived in Queens.

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Good for you... Man, seems soo long ago. You live on campus? I was a commuter. I lived in Queens.

I lived in Yonkers and commuted.   I really enojyed Manhattan College and those were good years.   

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I lived in Yonkers and commuted.   I really enojyed Manhattan College and those were good years.   

Yes sir. How simple life was in college... eat, sleep, study, drink... eat, sleep study, drink... repeat.

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Yes sir. How simple life was in college... eat, sleep, study, drink... eat, sleep study, drink... repeat.

To be honest though, the chicks were very ugly compared to the Iona guidettes. 

I really like Manhattan College though, the people were cool, small classes, not many college communists around, nice little campus in NYC, yankee stadium five min away. 

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To be honest though, the chicks were very ugly compared to the Iona guidettes. 

I really like Manhattan College though, the people were cool, small classes, not many college communists around, nice little campus in NYC, yankee stadium five min away. 

Oh, I was in engineering down on Broadway. Unless you spent time in main campus there were no chicks to scope out. We used to take rides over to enemy grounds to Fordam for some women...

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Oh, I was in engineering down on Broadway. Unless you spent time in main campus there were no chicks to scope out. We used to take rides over to enemy grounds to Fordam for some women...

I used to go to the Terminal, Pinewood and Charachters, but it got crazy over there and way too many fights and violence. 

We wound up going to Stamford CT alot and dealing with the Greenwich girls, who were hot and good to go for us bronxites. 

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THE ADD in this thread is astounding!!!  

"Truther Jag":  
Don't listen to me, listen to EXPERT engineers at Popular Mechanics. They have debunked EVERY THEORY that the conspiracy believers have thrown out there regarding the way the towers fell. It is actually funny because they completely removed all doubt to a point the truthers have gone back to "analyse their data"... Seems they needed to "fit" the facts to their beliefs. The ol' Conspiracy way. Remeber their doubt that the cell phones wouldn't work on those planes?? Guess what? DEBUNKED!

Look, As a Mechanical Engineer myself, graduate of Manhattan College 1993, We studied the design of the WTC on multiple occasions. The design of the towers actually saved lives that day. If it was constructed as your standard slab/column design the towers would have fallen shortly after impact. This was due to the fact the interior support section for the most part did not take the direct hit. Where is a slab/column design would have failed immediately.
WTC7 for your point took direct impact from the falling debris from both Towers. This building was home to many gov't nerve centers, designed that way to thwart the millenium attack that never happened. In that event, there were a number of diesel storage tanks in it's basement and ground floor needed for generators in the event of a wide spread power outtage. Once the shear amount of debris, some million tons of concrete, steel, and other debris fell a 1/4 mile from the sky at over 100 mph, do you really think this building would have survived? Plus, the insuing 1,200* fires weakening the structure, and you think GW was behind it's demo?

Back on topic:

Did I say GW was behind it?
What I asked was why the building was wired for demolition, ...and when was this accomplished?
Surely you don't believe they determined the building had to come down on 911, and proceeded to wire it with explosive ALL on that same fateful day?

Which leads me to a question I always wanted to ask people... If GW Bush was such a stupid idiot, as portrayed by the liberals and other haters, how could he be soo smart to have pulled off what would be the greatest conspiracy the world has ever seen?? And on top of that, these same liberals said 911 was the link to go to war in Iaq. To evenge his pops previous war, and Saddam's failed attempt at assassinating G HW Bush. So, let's recap shall we Truther?? GWB purportrated the biggest coverup in the history of the world, yet his is a bumbling idiot... If that is true, who REALLY are the idiots?? Hum?  

Again, to bring you back to reality... when did I say that GW Bush was responsible for it?
I do believe GW is a bumbling idiot, either that or he believe the American people are. most likely both.
How ridiculous to believe that some man who lives in a cave had the ability to pull this off singlehandedly.
if you believe the official version of events, ...you truly ARE an idiot!

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Jim Jones also attracted large crowds.   

The difference is one educates the masses and the other slaughtered them.

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I have to say - he is 100% correct on this. 

The more I read on these criminal banksters the more I want to puke seeing the damage they due.