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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2010, 05:57:39 PM »
My thoughts exactly..

It's all scam products and none if it is necessary.

We would not have ingredients on any of our food products if not for FDA regulation.

Nobody said there should be no regulations. Every product should state exactly what the product contains. If it says on the label "One pound ground beef" or pure Whey isolate then it better be right. But whether or not you think that pound of beef is good protein or will give you a heart attack or if the protein will put on five pounds of muscle in one month is for you to decide.

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2010, 05:58:59 PM »
i keep AGREEING with you, but for some reason you dont think I am!!! lol   ..anyway,

LOL! I'm reinforcing your point with my example.

Do your squats already and get more sleep "insomnia."  ;)

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2010, 05:59:25 PM »

No, what you do to yourself is one thing. What you do to another is something else entirely.
Having someone else have to pay for your irresponsible behavior is a problem of socialism not freedom.

If you are going to give lessons you need to write better and more coherently.


it is socialism when my taxes pay for the consequences of other peoples irresponsible acts- like drugs for chronically hill people due to shit they should not have taken. it is not socialism when the state tries to protect my tax dollars from these people´s ignorance


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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2010, 06:01:18 PM »
bypass all this government regulation and do steroids

8 units/day Americano or Red Top gh, tren, masteron, eq, test prop and eat anything you want and grow bigger and leaner.

gh15 approved

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2010, 06:01:29 PM »
was the SYPTOMS of carpal tunnel caused by the B deficiency. and YES! banning vitamins IS what this is about. the supp company and big pharm being in CONTROL of natural substances, so they can patent them and make $$$,, again, more govt CONTROL! bc u wont be able to get w/o a presciption. hello!!!! do some of you even bother to read the RX thread or listen to Carls show? I provided the links to both.

there is about 15 min dedicated to me on carl´s off topic show this week,- check it out-  and yes i listen to super human radio to see what the crazies are saying

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2010, 06:03:11 PM »
it is socialism when my taxes pay for the consequences of other peoples irresponsible acts- like drugs for chronically hill people due to shit they should not have taken. it is not socialism when the state tries to protect my tax dollars from these people´s ignorance



So should we pass laws that fat people can't eat Big Macs? Heart disease is the number one killer in this country and mostly all due to obesity?

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2010, 06:05:25 PM »
Talk to Basile or someone who lives in Japan on how difficult and expensive it is to get vitamin supplements.

More people are suffering from health problems from eating regular food than the people buying vitamin supplements.

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2010, 06:14:15 PM »
was the SYPTOMS of carpal tunnel caused by the B deficiency. and YES! banning vitamins IS what this is about. the supp company and big pharm being in CONTROL of natural substances, so they can patent them and make $$$,, again, more govt CONTROL! bc u wont be able to get w/o a presciption. hello!!!! do some of you even bother to read the RX thread or listen to Carls show? I provided the links to both.

in addition note that peripheral nervous injuries like carpal which are caused by persistent nerve compression, lead first to the damage of the cells that compose the myelin sheath that wraps around and "feeds" the axon (the long bit of the of median neuron that goes from your dorsal root ganglion near spine-to your hand)  and then to damage of the axon itself at which point things get ugly. Now no  one ever gets the myelin sheath cells back almost instantaneously. It takes weeks of repair. So anything that gave u immediate relief only proves my point. its late and I am tired so just research peripheral nerve injury a bit more and u will get my point


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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2010, 06:21:22 PM »
Just let people take their vitamins if they want. They are not hurting anybody. We don't need another law. But if it says 500mg Vit. C per cap it better be 500mg Vit. C.

Numerous studies have shown that people who take vitamin supplements are, in general, far healthier than people who do not. Of course, they are not sure if it's because of the supplements or because they are just more health conscious.

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2010, 06:21:37 PM »
I think women belong in the kitchen.

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2010, 06:22:35 PM »
It could use some regulating imo.

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2010, 06:25:23 PM »

No, what you do to yourself is one thing. What you do to another is something else entirely.
Having someone else have to pay for your irresponsible behavior is a problem of socialism not freedom.

If you are going to give lessons you need to write better and more coherently.

before i go to sleep , just which part of

Well because there is no real “only me”. Many people (who make the laws) believe that what you do with your life concerns them because life is sacred (god etc) or they owe u a duty of care. If u say fuck that, then think that when u die or get ill there are consequences to many other people. You take a shit drug and get chronically ill. In the end someone will end up paying ur bills.


did u not understand

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2010, 06:34:12 PM »
before i go to sleep , just which part of

Well because there is no real “only me”. Many people (who make the laws) believe that what you do with your life concerns them because life is sacred (god etc) or they owe u a duty of care. If u say fuck that, then think that when u die or get ill there are consequences to many other people. You take a shit drug and get chronically ill. In the end someone will end up paying ur bills.


did u not understand

No, I understand. I just don't agree with it. It's one thing to educate and persuade people on what you think they should or should not do. It's another to pass a law. To use the force of the state to compel you to do what they have unilaterally determined what is good for you.  My friend's dad is a diabetic. He's in poor health and does nothing to improve his situation and just eats whatever he wants. I talked to him about this and he just told me, "Look, I'm 80 fucking years old. It's just not worth it to me to eat egg whites and brocolli. I like brownies. I just want to enjoy what years I have left."

You take a shit drug and get ill you sue the company to millions. It has happened many times. How many have gotten ill taken vitamin supplement and how does that number compare to how many people have gotten ill just eating junk food and too much of it?

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2010, 06:39:04 PM »
There's already regulations governing the industry

Just let people take their vitamins if they want. They are not hurting anybody. We don't need another law. But if it says 500mg Vit. C per cap it better be 500mg Vit. C.

You didn’t address my earlier post. You stated that there are regulations already in place. How is this industry regulated now? Who are the sup companies accountable to? How do we, the consumer, know that the ingredients claimed on the label are even in the tablet?

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2010, 07:15:50 PM »
You didn’t address my earlier post. You stated that there are regulations already in place. How is this industry regulated now? Who are the sup companies accountable to? How do we, the consumer, know that the ingredients claimed on the label are even in the tablet?

I don't know all the details but some are that you have to state what ingredients are contained in the products and how much. You're limited to the claims you can make on the products. We know what ingredients are claimed just like we know what's contained in the making of SPAM of Bologna. Supplement companies have been busted before for not containing or containing ingredients that they did not specify. Look how many times Joe Weider has been sued, and lost, for making false claims and not having a pure product.


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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2010, 07:35:07 PM »
I don't know all the details but some are that you have to state what ingredients are contained in the products and how much. You're limited to the claims you can make on the products. We know what ingredients are claimed just like we know what's contained in the making of SPAM of Bologna. Supplement companies have been busted before for not containing or containing ingredients that they did not specify. Look how many times Joe Weider has been sued, and lost, for making false claims and not having a pure product.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there are no regulations whatsoever governing the supplement industry. None. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.. I really dont know)

I’ll go further and say that the majority of these supplement companies (especially the companies geared towards the bodybuilding market) are not trust worthy.. the entire industry is built on lies and deceit.. for profit. They will do or say whatever they can to part chumps with their hard earned money.

If they will blatantly lie about a products effectiveness.. (oh yes, it will help you build muscle.. just look at the enormous bodybuilder in our advertisement.. that’s proof  ::)) why would you trust them to be honest and live up to the ingredient claims? Especially when they don’t have to? It’s a fucking free for all..

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #67 on: March 03, 2010, 07:40:16 PM »
I personally believe all Drugs should legal to do in the privacy of your own home.
thats an outrage. you have no right to tell me where i can and can not intoxicate myself. as long as it is not on private property, nor in a situation where my being intoxicated puts others freedoms at risk.


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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #68 on: March 03, 2010, 07:40:41 PM »
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there are no regulations whatsoever governing the supplement industry. None.

I’ll go further and say that the majority of these supplement companies (especially the companies geared towards the bodybuilding market) are not trust worthy.. the entire industry is built on lies and deceit.. for profit. They will do or say whatever they can to part chumps with their hard earned money.

If they will blatantly lie about a products effectiveness.. (oh yes, it will help you build muscle.. just look at the enormous bodybuilder in our advertisement.. that’s proof  ::)) why would you trust them to be honest and live up to the ingredient claims? Especially when they don’t have to? It’s a fucking free for all..


Friend, companies are sued all the time. Remember Gaspari had to reformulate his Halodrol product because there was an ingredient that was in the product but not declared on the label. I use to work part time for Vitamin Shoppe as recently as last June and I remember we were always having to pull stuff off the shelves because of recalls. There was this one sexual enhancement product that contained Viagra that we had to pull. We pulled all the Hydoxycut because of some problems with the product.

It is not a "fucking free for all." Not by a long shot.

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #69 on: March 03, 2010, 07:47:45 PM »
Friend, companies are sued all the time. Remember Gaspari had to reformulate his Halodrol product because there was an ingredient that was in the product but not declared on the label. I use to work part time for Vitamin Shoppe as recently as last June and I remember we were always having to pull stuff off the shelves because of recalls. There was this one sexual enhancement product that contained Viagra that we had to pull. We pulled all the Hydoxycut because of some problems with the product.

It is not a "fucking free for all." Not by a long shot.

I am just wondering who checks.. who tests the supps to see if they contain what the label says? Either way.. it is a free for all. Walk into gnc.. look at all of the shit on the shelves that is supposed to improve your body - none of it works. Seriously. Its all bullshit.

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2010, 07:48:23 PM »
More examples that it is not a free for all anything goes industry. They are watched very closely. BTW, when I worked at the Vitamin Shoppe they were very strict about what we said a product can and cannot do and absolutely forbidden to make any claim whatsoever about any product that can cure or treat a disease or illness. I was under the impression the industy as a whole always seemed on pins and needles.

http://www.setexasrecord.com/news/224630-suit-alleges-fitness-supplement-caused-liver-damage

http://www.healthnews.com/nutrition-diet/weight-loss/weight-loss-supplements-undergo-scrutiny-4072.html

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/diet-supplement-linked-to-illness-20100201-n6te.html

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2010, 07:55:51 PM »
I am just wondering who checks.. who tests the supps to see if they contain what the label says? Either way.. it is a free for all. Walk into gnc.. look at all of the shit on the shelves that is supposed to improve your body - none of it works. Seriously. Its all bullshit.

Depends what you mean by "works." Are you saying that if you take a protein supplement you are not increasing your protein intake. My sister is anemic and is taking iron supplements on the advice of her doctor. Her red blood count is now normal. I don't process B12 and had to take monthly shots when I was a kid and young adult until they came out with the sublingual methyl version.

If taking Vit C or creatine "works" is for you to decide. But I do believe that when you take a Vit C pill or a creatine supplement you are getting both Vit. C and creatine.

I sometime take one of those energy drinks. It works. It has caffiene and other stimulants.

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« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2010, 07:57:51 PM »
University study showing the possible effectiveness of a weight loss product.

http://www.dnaindia.com/health/report_tri-pepper-blend-supplement-burns-as-many-calories-as-20-min-walk_1342660

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2010, 08:07:06 PM »
I’m just googling.. What does this say.. That by 2010 the supp companies will be accountable for the manufacturing process (good manufacturing practices)? I'm too tired to read read right now.. my brain isn't computing. I found it on wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement

United States Regulation

Pursuant to the DSHEA, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates dietary supplements as foods, and not as drugs. While pharmaceutical companies are required to obtain FDA approval proving the safety or effectiveness of their products prior to their entry into the market, dietary supplements, like food, do not need to be pre-approved by FDA before they can enter the market.[13]

The DSHEA gave the FDA the express responsibility to regulate the manufacturing processes of dietary supplements, and the FDA issued its first proposed rule in 2003.[14] In June 2007 it issued its final rule,[15] which requires all dietary supplement manufacturers to ensure by June 2010 that production of dietary supplements complies with current good manufacturing practices, and be manufactured with "controls that result in a consistent product free of contamination, with accurate labeling."[16] In addition, the industry is now required to report to the FDA "all serious dietary supplement related adverse events." The new rules have been criticized, however, with skeptics arguing lack of FDA resources, loopholes, and an exception on quality assurance for raw material suppliers (with the burden placed on manufacturers) will lead to continued quality problems.[17] There's also concern that supplement manufacturers and retailers will hide behind the new regulations.[17] Prior to the rule supplements have had major quality problems, and the number of FDA investigators has declined.[18]

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Re: Take action now to stop FDA Regulation of the supplement industry.
« Reply #74 on: March 04, 2010, 12:33:41 AM »
pellius is making some informative points. I am also not too well read on how much the industry regulates itself. good to know, thanks for posting the info.