Jay Cutler guest-posing at 2010 NPC NATURAL OHIO, March 20th 2010

[~UN_$ung~]

its important people realize that people care very little about honesty......bodybuilder s have no problems, whether they are "drug-free" at the moment, or whatever, using PEDs and then competing in "natural" shows.......because they think everyone else is using them

just as other athletes have no qualms about using PEDs in the olympics, which are supposed to be "drug free"..........because they know everyone else is using.......taking the drugs are not seen as cheating, they are seen as evening the playing field

[Meso_z]

#1 .....i have been around bodybuilding for a long time; around steroids even longer.....when i look at this picture, i find it very difficult to believe layne norton is natural



#2.....i find it even harder to believe you can find a "natural" bodybuilder from this board that has a physique that is "way better" then layne norton

 

[Nirvana]

Ronnie Coleman has never resorted to steroids, and he has passed all his drug tests

[Matt C]

If Layne achieved a 700 pound deadlift devoid of drugs that is incredible.  I am still under 500 at this point.  I believe I will hit over 500 this year drug free at around 175 pounds.  How much more will be even attainable without drugs, I'm not sure.  Maybe 550?  There are limits, whether naturally or on drugs and Layne seems to just keep improving.  Will he hit 800?  At that point will people still believe he is drug free?  Layne has told me many times he is drug free and at 5'11 and around 230 in the off-season, it seems possible physique-wise yet looking at his contest pictures and powerlifting competition results I would be lying if I told you I don't question his status at times.

[musclecenter]

 

[musclecenter]

 

[~UN_$ung~]

he tries really hard to hide it, but the disparity between his right and left sides has become very noticeable at this point

[#1 Klaus fan]

If Layne achieved a 700 pound deadlift devoid of drugs that is incredible.  I am still under 500 at this point.  I believe I will hit over 500 this year drug free at around 175 pounds.  How much more will be even attainable without drugs, I'm not sure.  Maybe 550?  There are limits, whether naturally or on drugs and Layne seems to just keep improving.  Will he hit 800?  At that point will people still believe he is drug free?  Layne has told me many times he is drug free and at 5'11 and around 230 in the off-season, it seems possible physique-wise yet looking at his contest pictures and powerlifting competition results I would be lying if I told you I don't question his status at times.

If you hit 500 this year and still make noticable progress in the lift I think you have much more in you than 550 in your lifetime. If I can get 550 (250 kg) by next year I know I can get 660 (300 kg) but I have no idea how long it will take me.  But for naturals it takes time. Some juicers can peak in their teens. Natural can peak in his 40's, after over 20 years of training. Naturally you won't suddenly stall but your progress will slowly just slow down. I think that's a good thing. 

[musclecenter]

 

[kyomu]

I think i am quite near from this now.
In this weekend, i dont know if i can achieve this condition.
But 11th of mays contest, i have a confidence to reach this.

[ManBearPig...]

I think i am quite near from this now.

lay off the rice cakes delusionite.

[_bruce_]

Jay looks scheisse

[kyomu]

lay off the rice cakes delusionite.

Shut fvck up stupid chubby.
This is the pic just i have taken now.
YOU STUPID FVCKER.

[saopl]

he looks bloated as fuck. time to up the dosage buddy.

[Mr. Magoo]

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[_bruce_]

Shut fvck up stupid chubby.
This is the pic just i have taken now.
YOU STUPID FVCKER.

Holy cow - you're quite the muscle

[kyomu]

Holy cow - you're quite the muscle

It means that I prove that this bber is totaly natural.
If I can do that, everybody can do that.

[~UN_$ung~]

It means that I prove that this bber is totaly natural.
If I can do that, everybody can do that.

how bad is your need for attention?? stop making evey thread about your insecurity, nobody likes looking at tiny japanese men with little muscles

[shootfighter1]

What you are seeing with Layne above is more about his conditioning/shape than overall mass.  That is a sign of a potential drug free BBer.  I looked the same w/o drugs and could be in that shape again if I dieted for about 8 weeks.  With very good genetics and after years of heavy lifting, some can attain a physique like that drug free (again there is a natural limit to the amount of mass carried and there won't be huge vein chords without the erythrocytosis).  However, the vast majority of people cannot acheive similar physiques without drugs, a lot has to do with genetics & yrs of intense lifting.