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JohnC1908

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First of all, you are assuming (and you know what that does) that I agree with all of the things you just stated...I do not. Secondly, you are assuming (once again, not a good idea with me) that I would consider the intelligence to orchestrate such matters to be the sign of a person of significant intellectual heft and stature. Again...I do not. Particularly when looking at the cast of characters that participated in the Shakespearean tragedy that were the Bush years. And certainly when looking at the end result of said tragedy.

Well please explain why he is dumb. It's obvious he had a surreal amount of power for 8 years, has accumulated a mass amount of wealth, called the shots in two different wars, and has somehow alluded a serious investigation and/or trial amid numerous accusations stemming from shady business deals.

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First of all, you are assuming (and you know what that does) that I agree with all of the things you just stated...I do not. Secondly, you are assuming (once again, not a good idea with me) that I would consider the intelligence to orchestrate such matters to be the sign of a person of significant intellectual heft and stature. Again...I do not. Particularly when looking at the cast of characters that participated in the Shakespearean tragedy that were the Bush years. And certainly when looking at the end result of said tragedy.
actually it wasnt an assumption it was a statement as in, if this...then that...you know that thing called an if then statement?  ;) intelligence  :o

anywho...youre entitled to your opinion as are others just b/c you think he wasnt an intelligent man doesnt mean your right and others are wrong  ::)

many think obama is a dumb ass and when you look at his cast of characters going back to his campaign and those who he surrounded himself with you can see why...and the end result of his first year in which we basically wasted 1 trillion dollars, created a heath care bill with many questionable pieces of legislation to it...you can see why as well

what is your measure of intelligence?

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actually it wasnt an assumption it was a statement as in, if this...then that...you know that thing called an if then statement?  ;) intelligence  :o
If you were attempting to create an If/Then scenario for which I were to participate, young Tony, then your problem needs to be set up as such. Your lack of proper construct leads me to believe you are not well skilled in laying out such a word problem. Work on your construct and try again. Nevertheless, you would simply get a variant of the answer I provided for you previously irrespective of the format.

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anywho...youre entitled to your opinion as are others just b/c you think he wasnt an intelligent man doesnt mean your right and others are wrong  ::)
Perhaps, but until you present me with respected individuals within the circles of power in Washington that are quoted on record as saying that Chaney is a guy of great intellectual heft that is respected for his acumen among other intellectuals, then...meh.

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many think obama is a dumb ass and when you look at his cast of characters going back to his campaign and those who he surrounded himself with you can see why...and the end result of his first year in which we basically wasted 1 trillion dollars, created a heath care bill with many questionable pieces of legislation to it...you can see why as well

what is your measure of intelligence?
Anyone who thinks Obama is a "dumb ass" is no longer in a reasonable discussion with me and although I may entertain their theories to pass the time I quite frankly no longer take them seriously. As far as a political debate on the Obama administration's response to distinct issues, that is another topic for another day.

My definition of a "highly intelligent" Washington insider : Respected by other established intellectuals as an exceptionally smart and engaging person, capable of challenging conventional thought and preexisting norms; exceptionally knowledgeable on one or more realms of endeavor.
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Well please explain why he is dumb. It's obvious he had a surreal amount of power for 8 years, has accumulated a mass amount of wealth, called the shots in two different wars, and has somehow alluded a serious investigation and/or trial amid numerous accusations stemming from shady business deals.
I have never stated that Cheney is dumb. There is a huge difference between my stating that he lacks intellectual gravitas and that he is a dummy.

This fun little exercise will have to continue tomorrow, kids. My Dukie party and watching them winning the championship has got me up doing late research. I've got to finish up for a long day tomorrow.
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I have never stated that Cheney is dumb. There is a huge difference between my stating that he lacks intellectual gravitas and that he is a dummy.

This fun little exercise will have to continue tomorrow, kids. My Dukie party and watching them winning the championship has got me up doing late research. I've got to finish up for a long day tomorrow.

You are very vague. You make a comment, then have everyone try to guess what you mean and poke fun when nobody can figure it out. Are you saying he's a poor student and nothing more? It would be a lot easier if you would just make a hard point and stick with it. I think you are apprehensive to make one, becuase you have no point. If you say what you actually believe you may contradict yourself and God forbid have to admit that somebody who does not share your political viewpoint is indeed not stupid and successful.
I find it bizarre a staunch liberal would be a fan of what I perceive to be the ultimate republican team.

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You are very vague. You make a comment, then have everyone try to guess what you mean and poke fun when nobody can figure it out. Are you saying he's a poor student and nothing more? It would be a lot easier if you would just make a hard point and stick with it. I think you are apprehensive to make one, becuase you have no point. If you say what you actually believe you may contradict yourself and God forbid have to admit that somebody who does not share your political viewpoint is indeed not stupid and successful.
I find it bizarre a staunch liberal would be a fan of what I perceive to be the ultimate republican team.
You came into this conversation...late...an d all fucked up, son.  ::) My point was established at the beginningof this conversation with "240", and has not changed one iota since. You are simply confused and need to re-read from the start. There are no "hard" points that I need to "stick with." My contention remains the same with no fear of contradiction because my thought process is based on sound principles. Dick Chaney is not respected for his high levels of intellect in and around Washington. Period. If you make the phantasmagorical leap to me stating that Chaney is therefore stupid or unsuccessful, then quite simply this little exercise may be too challenging for you.  :-\
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Dick Chaney is not respected for his high levels of intellect in and around Washington. Period. If you make the phantasmagorical leap to me stating that Chaney is therefore stupid or unsuccessful, then quite simply this little exercise may be too challenging for you.  :-\

Not respected according to who? Or are you just assuming (and you know what that does)? Your comment was that he wasn't particularly smart...an extremely vague comment where it could be easily insinuated you believe he's dumb or of average intellegence. Now it's he's not respected for his intellect by some faceless people in Washington.

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If you were attempting to create an If/Then scenario for which I were to participate, young Tony, then your problem needs to be set up as such. Your lack of proper construct leads me to believe you are not well skilled in laying out such a word problem. Work on your construct and try again. Nevertheless, you would simply get a variant of the answer I provided for you previously irrespective of the format.
Perhaps, but until you present me with respected individuals within the circles of power in Washington that are quoted on record as saying that Chaney is a guy of great intellectual heft that is respected for his acumen among other intellectuals, then...meh.
It was brain child go back and reread...It started with an "if" and ended with a "then"

I agree though Id probably still get the same answer  ::)

Anyone who thinks Obama is a "dumb ass" is no longer in a reasonable discussion with me and although I may entertain their theories to pass the time I quite frankly no longer take them seriously. As far as a political debate on the Obama administration's response to distinct issues, that is another topic for another day.

My definition of a "highly intelligent" Washington insider : Respected by other established intellectuals as an exceptionally smart and engaging person, capable of challenging conventional thought and preexisting norms; exceptionally knowledgeable on one or more realms of endeavor.
your ideology is so prevelant in your view of intelligence its sickening...what does challenging prexisting norms have to do with intelligence?

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Michael Steele's problem isn't race -- it's pride
By Kathleen Parker

When you're Michael Steele, there's no waking up and thinking: Ahhhh, at least the worst is over.

Whatever the week, Monday is the start of another very bad one. No exception to the trend, this week began dramatically.

First, Steele's chief of staff, Ken McKay, resigned in another Republican National Committee stab (cue soundtrack from "Psycho") at damage control in the wake of profligate spending and that whole bondage-stripper thing.

Next, Steele's longtime political consulting firm, On Message, severed ties with the RNC head. His relentless off-messaging apparently was hurting the company's brand. Nothing personal, of course. High regard and all that. "We wish him well," said consultant Curt Anderson, as he lowered himself into the Titanic's last lifeboat.

And that was the good part of the week. Still to come was reaction to the latest on the list of "Things Michael Steele Shouldn't Have Said": It's about race.

Appearing recently on ABC's "Good Morning America," Steele told George Stephanopoulos that being African American has magnified his travails. Stephanopoulos had asked Steele whether his race gave him a "slimmer margin for error."

"The honest answer is yes," said Steele. "It just is. Barack Obama has a slimmer margin. We all -- a lot of folks do. It's a different role for me to play and others to play, and that's just the reality of it."

Except that African American Republicans aren't buying it. For starters, Steele was elected by the predominantly white party. After months of unforced errors, he can't now turn around and charge his party with racism. Actually, racism would mean expecting less from an African American than from a white counterpart.

If you can't play the race card with your own race, you might be in a heap of denial. As Juliette Ochieng wrote in a blog item that was picked up by BookerRising.net, the black, moderate-conservative news site:

"Mr. Steele's margin for error is smaller than it was when he first became RNC chair due entirely to the fact that he has made so many errors and due to the fact that he seems incapable of learning from them."

It's not clear who Steele thinks his audience is when he deals the race card. Meanwhile, black Republicans have their own complaints about Steele, principally that the RNC leader has failed to support African American candidates.

One of the more outspoken among these is Jean Howard-Hill, a political science professor at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga who is also a lawyer and Republican activist. And, some might say . . . a troublemaker?

"I wear the label very proudly," she says.

Howard-Hill is a familiar name in party politics, especially in Tennessee, where she is running for Congress after decades of recruiting blacks to the GOP. A Georgia-born scholar whose childhood memories include a cross burning in her front yard, she seems an unlikely Republican.

"You have to be a little crazy to be an African American Republican. I admit that."

But Howard-Hill sees the Republican Party as her natural home and, importantly, the best route for economic empowerment.

"Some of us are tired of being poor."

When she goes into black churches to preach the GOP Gospel, Howard-Hill reminds congregants that blacks were first elected to Congress as Republicans during Reconstruction and that their birthright was stolen by the Dixiecrats.

In South Carolina, rising Republican star Marvin Rogers, a candidate for the South Carolina Legislature, is telegraphing the same message with his book "Silence Makes the Loudest Sound." Basically, conservative blacks want their party back.

But many political candidates are being hampered in part by a lack of access to the RNC coffers, says Howard-Hill. She blames Steele and amends his different-standards defense accordingly.

"I would say [blacks are] treated differently within the party. But in terms of integrity, the standard is the same. Michael needs to own up because it's not race. From day one, he has messed up. . . . If he wants to play the race card, play it with us."

To be fair to Steele, he didn't introduce the race issue and was responding to a question. Nevertheless, his answer and the African American Republican response have shed light on Steele's central flaw. As always, it isn't the mistake that brings you down; it's the coverup.

In Steele's case, the coverup is pride -- an unwillingness to take personal responsibility. Whether it's the poor staffer who approved $1,900 for a strip club or the chief of staff who got the boot, it's always someone else's fault.

Steele needs to face the truth and set himself -- and his party -- free.