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« Reply #250 on: April 15, 2010, 05:59:47 AM »
sure. i think the title of the thread is evidence for macroevolution on your board started by me. they also just found two new species of ape that are a progression from ape to humanoid.

the nothing to something is just from experiments on vaccums that illustrate that virtual particles pop into existence from nothing, that is they pop out of thin air it seems, a few theories have attempted to explain it.

Haven't searched for the macro thread yet but for the something from nothing thing are you referencing the video YngiweRhoads posted on the Relig. Board?

Can you please answer my questions (here or there) regarding that vid?  Thanks Necro!






OK I only watched a little more so far but here are some questions I have:


Early in that guy's talk, he says this about NOTHING:


"nothing is a boiling bubbling brew of virtual particles popping in and out of existence in a time-scale so short you can't see them."

"we can't measure virtual particles directly but we can measure their effects indirectly."

"nothing weighs something."



My question here is that how can he call the above nothing when it is something?



He also says:

"The universe is expanding"

"We know how many protons and neutrons are in the universe."


 ???


He also talks about Hubble had inaccurate equipment which we based equations upon.  He said now we have better equipment but indicated it's not perfect. 

My question here is how can we assume that equations subsequentially based upon this information (which is not 100% accurate) are accurate?



Later he says nothing is:  "zero total energy plus quantum fluctuations (can produce a universe)."


How can he call that "nothing?"  ???










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« Reply #251 on: April 15, 2010, 06:21:54 AM »
Evolution doesn't stand a chance


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« Reply #252 on: April 15, 2010, 07:13:38 AM »
Haven't searched for the macro thread yet but for the something from nothing thing are you referencing the video YngiweRhoads posted on the Relig. Board?

Can you please answer my questions (here or there) regarding that vid?  Thanks Necro!



This is in reference to nothing as described in quantum physics, and not the colloquial term nothing.

http://www.nanogallery.info/news/?id=8735&slid=news&type=anews


Something from nothing is a quantum possibility. Werner Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle opened the doors to overturning the law of energy conservation. Something from nothing is a quantum possibility


Is it ever possible to get something for nothing? The global wave of financial scandals has been widely seen as confirmation that “only nothing can come from nothing”, as the Greek philosopher Parmenides argued around 2,500 years ago and finger-wagging moralists have been telling us ever since.

Slackers everywhere should therefore take heart from the mounting evidence that Parmenides and his ilk could not have been more wrong. It is now becoming clear that everything can – and probably did – come from nothing.

Whenever some common-sense view of the nature of reality is challenged like this, you can bet quantum theory will be involved. And so it proves in this case, with two recent advances in the understanding of the subatomic world adding to the weight of evidence.

Unlike financial scam artists, physicists have been amassing evidence for their unlikely claim for decades, beginning with the discovery by a young German theoretician of a loophole in a supposedly inviolable law of nature.

As countless generations of schoolchildren are taught to parrot in class, the law of conservation of energy states that it cannot be created or destroyed, but merely transformed from one form to another.

In 1927, Dr Werner Heisenberg showed that the truth is rather more interesting in a paper that addressed a philosophical question: how do we know what reality is like? The answer seems obvious: by making observations. But Dr Heisenberg pointed out that the newly emerging quantum theory implied that the very act of observation affects whatever is being observed. That, in turn, means it is impossible to know with total precision what reality is actually like.

Dr Heisenberg went on to show that his now-celebrated Uncertainty Principle implies there is always some uncertainty about properties of any region of space – specifically, how much energy it contains over a given period. The “law” of energy conservation is thus merely a conceit, and one whose violation leads to some astonishing consequences – including support for the something-for-nothing view of reality.

Heisenberg’s principle implies, for example, that the very space around us is seething with subatomic particles, popping in and out of empty space. During their fleeting existence, these “vacuum particles” interact with each other, and turn the supposedly dull vacuum of space into the quantum vacuum – which astronomers now know is anything but dull. Observations suggest the expansion of the entire cosmos is being propelled by quantum vacuum energy, in the form of enigmatic “dark energy”.

Something for nothing can also be seen working its magic down at the other scale of things. In the late 1940s, the Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir predicted that the quantum vacuum could generate a force-field between two flat plates of metal. This “Casimir Effect” again emerges literally out of nowhere, pushing the plates together.

The force is pretty feeble: between two book-sized plates separated by just a hair’s breadth, it is equivalent to barely the weight of the ink in this sentence’s full stop, and it was properly measured only in the mid-1990s. Even so, it’s enough to cause the components of delicate micro-mechanical devices to seize up.

Fortunately, back in the 1960s some Soviet theorists predicted that the quantum vacuum can be engineered so that the Casimir force becomes one of repulsion rather than attraction. And last week a team of scientists in the US reported in the journal Nature that they had confirmed the prediction in dramatic style, using the repulsive form of the force to levitate a gold-plated ball. OK, the ball was less than the size of a full stop, but that’s pretty impressive considering it was being held aloft by nothing but the energy of empty space.

Some theorists now think they can go even further, and use the physics of something for nothing to explain the origin of literally everything. They claim that the Big Bang from which the entire universe emerged was the result of convulsions in the quantum vacuum which took place around 14 billion years ago.

New theoretical work on the nature of matter suggests we may now have to regard even ourselves to be manifestations of the quantum vacuum.

All atoms are made up of electrons plus a far more massive central nucleus, made up of clusters of particles called quarks. It seems obvious that the mass of the nucleus must be the sum total of the masses of its quarks – but that reckons without the effect of the quantum vacuum. It turns out that the quarks account for only a tiny fraction of the total mass of a nucleus. By far the bulk comes from the subatomic “glue” that binds its quarks together. And this glue takes the form of vacuum particles flitting in and out of existence.

That at least is the theory. Confirming it requires some appallingly difficult calculations, involving all the different manifestations of quantum vacuum particles inside the nucleus – of which there are trillions. At the John von Neumann Institute for Computing in Jülich, Germany, Dr Stephan Dürr and colleagues have had a shot at doing this titanic calculation, using a computer capable of performing over 100 million million calculations a second.

After several months of number-crunching, the machine has now spat out its estimate for the mass of a hydrogen nucleus, and it is within 2 per cent of the value measured in the lab. In other words, virtually all the mass contained in atoms – and indeed us – appears to be nothing more than the evanescent energy of empty space.

It thus seems that much as we may like to distance ourselves from financial scam artists and get-rich-quick schemes, we are all living proof that it’s possible to get something for nothing.

Robert Matthews is Visiting Reader in Science at Aston University, Birmingham, England

Something from nothing is a quantum possibility. Werner Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle opened the doors to overturning the law of energy conservation.

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Re: found out another good friend is NOT a CHRISTIAN!!!!
« Reply #253 on: April 15, 2010, 07:15:01 AM »
Evolution doesn't stand a chance



You're either joking or ignorant. Take your pick.
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« Reply #254 on: April 15, 2010, 07:59:54 AM »
No. But I'm human and I'm an animal like a cockroach or a monkey or a dog.

No. You're the God's creature. Would you love to have been treated like a dog or better yet a cock!roach? Yes or no?

Something from nothing? Not sounding scientific but I saw it in real life. Some student from europe inherited over billion euro, he didn't even sweat or worked hard for that fortune and didn't even give a damn untill he was told. Google it. Should we laugh or weep?

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« Reply #255 on: April 15, 2010, 08:24:35 AM »
i couldnt disagree more, why does my example of energy not make sense?
for one, energy can not be infinte it must have a start, or else it would never have been..

here is a proof:



This moment has a causal chain that extends back.
________________________ ________________________ __

It is impossible to have an infinite causal chain extending into he past. since infinite implicates there was never an "original" cause and thus with no original cause it would be impossible to have any causal chain at all.
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Causal chain's must be finite.
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there must be a supernatural first mover.


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« Reply #256 on: April 15, 2010, 08:35:34 AM »
There's where you're wrong mate..  :)

I'm not claiming that I know everything in the Bible (else I'll be God) but I have to disagree with what you're said..

God desires relationship.. The reason God put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is for obedience.. what is obedience if there is no free will? what is relationship if there is no choices to make?

In the beginning, the word God used when God created the Heaven and Earth in Hebrew is Elohim, which means God Creator.. when man was created, the name has changed from God to LORD, which means YahWeh in Hebrew and the word Yahweh is used for a intimacy between God and man.

Before God created Eve, He said it is not good for the man to be alone, thus He made Eve out of Adam's ribs so they are for each other.

Now God DID NOT instruct Eve about the Tree of Knowledge, which resulted the serpent (possessed by the Satan) to trick Eve into eating the apple.. The devil is cunning, like a gambler who knows how to play its cards well.. The devil used the commandment given by God and turned into something that managed to convinced both Adam and Eve that they are insignificant.. They wanted to be LIKE God, to have the knowledge like God thus they ate the tree.

It's interesting when they totally forgotten about the abundance of other trees in the Garden of Eden that God had given to Adam and Eve.. This is where the devil is good at.. The devil knows your weak points and he's going to bring up your weaknesses and made you focus on them.. not in the way to resolve it but to condemn..

yeah dude but it doesn't change the fact that the god you worship seems like the anunaki reptilian humanoid gangster or something... he doesn't live up to it's own rules basicly, god is a madman...

this is real love if there ever was something like it.. being in touch with your inner self


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« Reply #257 on: April 15, 2010, 09:02:07 AM »

there must be a supernatural first mover.



Poor conclusion based on zero evidence, and therefore merely an assumption or speculation. Due to the fact one does not yet know the details of first cause, if there indeed does necessarily need to be a first cause, doesn't mean that one can suppose a supernatural entity as prime mover without proof.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument


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« Reply #258 on: April 15, 2010, 09:04:14 AM »
yeah dude but it doesn't change the fact that the god you worship seems like the anunaki reptilian humanoid gangster or something... he doesn't live up to it's own rules basicly, god is a madman...

this is real love if there ever was something like it.. being in touch with your inner self



The problem with your chicken intelligence is that no one worships god. You either acknoledge him or not. You're the cockroach and born clinical idiot to judge him. I say by fact and didn't men to offend you. being in touch with yourself is good but don't be ignorant fella.
 There is a saying - God has endured (Jesus) and you endure. Do you get it mofo???

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« Reply #259 on: April 15, 2010, 09:10:41 AM »
The problem with your chicken intelligence is that no one worships god. You either acknoledge him or not. You're the cockroach and born clinical idiot to judge him. I say by fact and didn't men to offend you. being in touch with yourself is good but don't be ignorant fella.
 There is a saying - God has endured (Jesus) and you endure. Do you get it mofo???

look who's talking about chicken intelligence here  ::)... don't you have children to slaughter with H-bombs that were blessed by the holy water  ::)

I'd rather think I'm a self awere thinker and capable of makeing a change within myself (which I have) than to think that I am in no control what I do  ::)... your religion sayes it's evil  :D

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« Reply #260 on: April 15, 2010, 09:21:37 AM »
The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time.[18] Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.


 When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...

 What a stupid guy you are!!!

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« Reply #261 on: April 15, 2010, 09:26:42 AM »
The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time.[18] Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.


 When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...

 What a stupid guy you are!!!

you are the grand moron deluxe, typical dellusional christian spewing shit again  ::)


Just because I don't believe in your preposterously stupid religion and ideals doesn't mean I believe in another redicelous theory like the big bang... i don't believe in either one of those bullshit theory's... there are equal amount of holes in both theory's, thereof, left hand path is the best way

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« Reply #262 on: April 15, 2010, 09:29:03 AM »
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be going to make a voodoo doll and inject a curse in your life  ::), I'll be back...

Don't worry, I won't dissappear from this thread, I will eat you  :D, hehe lolZ

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« Reply #263 on: April 15, 2010, 09:32:32 AM »
The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time.[18] Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.

Agree 100%.

When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...
Metaphysical tripe.

What a stupid guy you are!!!

Why resort to ad hominem statements in every post you make?
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« Reply #264 on: April 15, 2010, 09:36:29 AM »
look who's talking about chicken intelligence here  ::)... don't you have children to slaughter with H-bombs that were blessed by the holy water  ::)

I'd rather think I'm a self awere thinker and capable of makeing a change within myself (which I have) than to think that I am in no control what I do  ::)... your religion sayes it's evil  :D


You aren't of no in control of anything, people suddenly die and don't live up to their plans, happens a lot. Be careful my friend

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« Reply #265 on: April 15, 2010, 09:37:05 AM »
Spanish inquisition anyone....? How's that for the work of organized religion?

Let's see:

Spanish inquisition(1478 - 1834): hundreds killed over a period of 356 years

Crusades(1095 - 1291): thousands killed over a period of 200 years


Modern day atheists:

Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960):  43 million murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.

Joseph Stalin (1937 -1938): 1.2 million murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002

Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1.7 million murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.

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« Reply #266 on: April 15, 2010, 09:37:36 AM »
Agree 100%.
Metaphysical tripe.

Why resort to ad hominem statements in every post you make?

Try to say a bit more of metaphysical tripe

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« Reply #267 on: April 15, 2010, 09:50:41 AM »
You aren't of no in control of anything, people suddenly die and don't live up to their plans, happens a lot. Be careful my friend


ofcourse I'm not in full control, but it's not "god's" wish that something happends either, makes NO sense what so ever.

you didn't comment on my statement to your redicelous assumption of my beliefs on the big bang theory, mr.run away  ::)

you're a complete moron dude, you don't want to discuss about the two faced morals of your religion, about your "fucking in the name of virginity" hypocrisy  ::), which you people are, all of you.

the only men I ever read about about being the closest of being good was gandhi and buddha... but you... your religious whores... you're definetely not, you could as well join a fine luciferian ceremony :)


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« Reply #268 on: April 15, 2010, 10:01:43 AM »
ofcourse I'm not in full control, but it's not "god's" wish that something happends either, makes NO sense what so ever.

you didn't comment on my statement to your redicelous assumption of my beliefs on the big bang theory, mr.run away  ::)

you're a complete moron dude, you don't want to discuss about the two faced morals of your religion, about your "fucking in the name of virginity" hypocrisy  ::), which you people are, all of you.

the only men I ever read about about being the closest of being good was gandhi and buddha... but you... your religious whores... you're definetely not, you could as well join a fine luciferian ceremony :)

Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Leo Tolstoy and Jesus

Leo Tolstoy, Lev Tolstoy, or Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy (September 9 1828 – November 20 1910) was a Russian writer widely regarded as one of the greatest of all novelists. His masterpieces War and Peace and Anna Karenina stand, in their scope, breadth and vivid depiction of 19th-century Russian life, at the very peak of realist fiction.
Tolstoy's further talents as essayist, dramatist and educational reformer made him the most influential member of the aristocratic Tolstoy family. His literal interpretation of the ethical teachings of Jesus, centering on the Sermon on the Mount, caused him in later life to become a fervent Christian anarchist and pacifist. His ideas on nonviolent resistance, expressed in such works as The Kingdom of God is Within You, were to have a profound impact on such pivotal twentieth-century figures as Gandhi[1] and Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
Pacifism
A letter Tolstoy wrote in 1908 to an Indian newspaper entitled "Letter to a Hindu" resulted in intense correspondence with Mohandas Gandhi, who was in South Africa at the time and was beginning to become an activist. Reading "The Kingdom of God is Within You" made a strong impression on Gandhi in terms of his public commitment to nonviolent resistance, a debt Gandhi acknowledged in his autobiography, calling Tolstoy "the greatest apostle of non-violence that the present age has produced". The correspondence between Tolstoy and Gandhi would only last a year, from October 1909 until Tolstoy's death in November 1910, but led Gandhi to give the name the Tolstoy Colony to his second ashram in South Africa. Besides non-violent resistance, the two men shared a common belief in the merits of vegetarianism, the subject of several of Tolstoy's essays (see Christian vegetarianism).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy#Pacifism
 
1. Martin E. Hellman, Resist Not Evil in World Without Violence(Arun Gandhi ed.), M.K. Gandhi Institute, 1994, retrieved on 14 December 2006]  http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/opinion/Resist_Not.html
 
Leo Tolstoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy

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« Reply #269 on: April 15, 2010, 10:34:49 AM »
Poor conclusion based on zero evidence, and therefore merely an assumption or speculation. Due to the fact one does not yet know the details of first cause, if there indeed does necessarily need to be a first cause, doesn't mean that one can suppose a supernatural entity as prime mover without proof.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument




it is impossible in the natural world for causal chains to extend infinitely into the past.

infinite is inapplicable in the reverse direction because it implies there was no cause to cause the first cause.  :)

therefore all causal chains in the natural world are finite.

but every natural causal chain must have an origin. it cant be a natural origin, as that would imply infinite regress in the natural world, which we know is impossible. so it must be SUPERnatural.

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« Reply #270 on: April 15, 2010, 10:36:22 AM »
I have no problem with the concept of eternal existence of the cosmos. Although I would prefer to romanticise with the supernatural.

Law of conservation of energy.

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« Reply #271 on: April 15, 2010, 10:56:23 AM »
For the impotent scientists


So it basically says - there was nothing before a Big Bang because there was no time. OOO KEY so it basically means there was no creator. OOO KEY so it basically means there is no God. OOO KEY if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? Man governs it himself! OOO KEY but in order to govern, one needs, after all, to have a precise plan for certain, at least somewhat decent, length of time, how man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow? Man is mortal but that would be only half the trouble. The worst of it is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick! And generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening.

 Now give it another try and prove it that this -
 When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...

 is a Metaphysical tripe.

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« Reply #272 on: April 15, 2010, 10:58:04 AM »
For the impotent scientists


So it basically says - there was nothing before a Big Bang because there was no time. OOO KEY so it basically means there was no creator. OOO KEY so it basically means there is no God. OOO KEY if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? Man governs it himself! OOO KEY but in order to govern, one needs, after all, to have a precise plan for certain, at least somewhat decent, length of time, how man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow? Man is mortal but that would be only half the trouble. The worst
of it is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick! And generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening.

 Now give it another try and prove it that this -
 When humanity will finally reach the happiness, no time will ever be existing, because it wil not be needed. Very good thought. Where will they hide time? Nowhere. Time is not a subject, but an idea. Burn out in mind...

 is a Metaphysical tripe. I will not reposnd to your gibberish in a week so you have a lot of time
What governs us is the animalistic need to survive and reproduce...

You may try to find meaning in the verses of the bible or the diatribe of a man on a Sunday discourse. However meaning should come from within... biologically meaning is to survive and to survive once you die is to have reproduced.

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« Reply #273 on: April 15, 2010, 11:15:03 AM »
What governs us is the animalistic need to survive and reproduce...

You may try to find meaning in the verses of the bible or the diatribe of a man on a Sunday discourse. However meaning should come from within... biologically meaning is to survive and to survive once you die is to have reproduced.

IF it were a complete true people wouldn't kill another people. It's much more complicated no?

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« Reply #274 on: April 15, 2010, 11:15:32 AM »
I have no problem with the concept of eternal existence of the cosmos. Although I would prefer to romanticise with the supernatural.

Law of conservation of energy.

first of all 100% of educated cosmological physicists believe that the "cosmos" were created during one single happening: the big bang. and observation of the universe does implicate that everything within our universe did come from one point in space and one point in time.

NATURAL causal chains have to be finite. only something supernatural can be infinite.