found out another good friend is NOT a CHRISTIAN!!!!

[pluck]

Has anyone in this thread read God Delusion by Dawkins?

Good stuff.

I was brought up and went to the largest catholic university in the U.S....ironically that's when I started to realize how bullshit the catholic church and the rest of religions are. God does not exist.

Best quote out of Dawkins's book is something along the lines of "most people are atheists to at least 5 gods, I choose to one god further"

Also a few people in the thread have it wrong. The burden is on the believers of god to show proof that he exists, not on the naysayers.
A big part in Dawkins's book is that we can't disprove god's existence...but we can be certain in the upper 90th percentile that he does not exist.

[Captain Equipoise]

Has anyone in this thread read God Delusion by Dawkins?

Good stuff.

I was brought up and went to the largest catholic university in the U.S....ironically that's when I started to realize how bullshit the catholic church and the rest of religions are. God does not exist.

Best quote out of Dawkins's book is something along the lines of "most people are atheists to at least 5 gods, I choose to one god further"

Also a few people in the thread have it wrong. The burden is on the believers of god to show proof that he exists, not on the naysayers.
A big part in Dawkins's book is that we can't disprove god's existence...but we can be certain in the upper 90th percentile that he does not exist.

I've read it , good book.. there's a lot of great atheist books I've also read, I find it sad that so many brilliant minds are trapped in christanities clutches because of forced upbringing and through the cult mentality being beaten into their fragile minds at a very impressionable young age (3,4 years old)
by the time most of these kids reach a thinking age of puberty their mind is made up and forged.

[pluck]

Yes sir. Dawkins quote "there is no such thing as a Christian child" because children are forced the parents religion on them.

[phyxsius]

Science could not prove God doesn't exist

[phyxsius]

http://www.therefinersfire.org/science_bible.htm

[tbombz]

Ask God to help you, he will. In prayer, inside your head, lik meditation... God is always listening, ask him for help, and come to him with no ego... do not ask if you have it in your heart that you dont actually want the help.. if you come to God asking for him to showhimself that is not going to happen

[theonlyone]

only a moron would equate no evidence of god and still believe in one. Its ike believing in unicorns, ogres and witches, no evidence = good chance they dont exist.

 No evidence of God doesn't prove he doesn't exist. There is no evidence in regards of Hitler as to whether where does he abide exactly Hell or paradise. There is no evidence yet either as to whether brick should fall onto your empty head this same evening. It will become only an evidence when it finally lands onto your empty head. But no brick will ever fall on anyone's head just out of the blue. In ths particular case, I assure you Nicrisis, you are not in danger of that at all. You will die a different death. As a cockroach a none believer.....

 Only a moron would equate God with unicorns, ogres, witches and Santa Claus.

[big L dawg]

Ask God to help you, he will. In prayer, inside your head, lik meditation... God is always listening, ask him for help, and come to him with no ego... do not ask if you have it in your heart that you dont actually want the help.. if you come to God asking for him to showhimself that is not going to happen

If your god told you to kill your own son would you?

[lovemonkey]

Ask God to help you, he will. In prayer, inside your head, lik meditation... God is always listening, ask him for help, and come to him with no ego... do not ask if you have it in your heart that you dont actually want the help.. if you come to God asking for him to showhimself that is not going to happen

Holy shit you went from humble deistic arguments to this?? Are you really feeling like an intellectual while typing that?

[phyxsius]

If your god told you to kill your own son would you?

Did He say that?

[Parker]

Aside from the scientific reasons and proof that a god cannot exist, I just find too many holes in the concept of a god like deity existing.. like I've stated before I believe loosely that thounsands or millions of years ago earth was seeded by an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization (for whatever purpose)
a civilization that start out like us, as primitive cavement and gradually over time and through science learned a great deal, ie. how to split the atom, space travel, advanced physics, etc.

I just find it hard to believe that there was one eternal being responsible for everything we know (and things we don't) it just seems too far fetched, the movies stargate, mission to mars and contact detail a lot of my beliefs, I believe there are far more advanced civilizations out there in different galaxies , solar systems and star systems , the idea of one central figure being responsible seems far-fetched to me. Especially considering there has never been any concrete proof or evidence of  this deity existing, a god type figure has never shown itself and until that happens I will continue in belief in factual evidence, empirical data and solid proof combined with logic and reasoning, not faith.

Some people who allegedly have been taken by ETs have "allegedly" talked to the ETs about GOD and or a higher power, and these ETs have said that there is one...

Also gaining access to the Akashic records, one can possibly gain knowledge on some level or confirmation of GOD.

[YngiweRhoads]

This thread degenerated into vapid nonsense I see.  

For a thoroughly critical quashing of new age hokeyness I'd suggest this book for those interested.

Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness

http://guy-Book-Review-117540.shtml

It's not often that I come across books that explain such intricate matters as particle physics in a way that is both accessible to the average reader as well as explained with a logic that permeates each line. The conclusion that Stenger draws from his arguments seem like the obvious one and, when broken down, his critics' theories really have nothing on it. Additionally, many confusions that scientists make when thinking about quantum mechanics are also explained clearly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Stenger

[big L dawg]

Did He say that?

no.I'm asking...how about you?if your lord and Saviour told you to kill your own child would you?or would you go against your god's wishes?....

[Oldschool Flip]

Science could not prove God doesn't exist

Science can't prove that god does exist. But just ask yourself......have you ever really had god "talk" to you? Or were you lead to the faith you have because your parents, family and friends just made you adopt it? Did god call out to you as a child and asked you to follow a particular denomination?
The chances that the current faith you have WAS predetermined by your parents and family and not by you, is pretty high.

[theonlyone]

This thread degenerated into vapid nonsense I see.  

For a thoroughly critical quashing of new age hokeyness I'd suggest this book for those interested.

Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness

http://guy-Book-Review-117540.shtml

It's not often that I come across books that explain such intricate matters as particle physics in a way that is both accessible to the average reader as well as explained with a logic that permeates each line. The conclusion that Stenger draws from his arguments seem like the obvious one and, when broken down, his critics' theories really have nothing on it. Additionally, many confusions that scientists make when thinking about quantum mechanics are also explained clearly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Stenger

 That good guy will die as all of us, a simple mortal. If it were not him it would have been someone else, there is no logic but idle chance. An attention seeking "stupido".
 I didn't see that he proved and there is a Victor J. Stenger' proof that Hitler is abiding in Hell. I didn't see that he proved that it's just a lights out after death etc etc etc.

 YngiweRhoads why don't ya go on physics forum and see how you fare physics knowledge wise over there?

[theonlyone]

Some people who allegedly have been taken by ETs have "allegedly" talked to the ETs about GOD and or a higher power, and these ETs have said that there is one...

Interesting point

[MCWAY]

Has anyone in this thread read God Delusion by Dawkins?

Good stuff.

I was brought up and went to the largest catholic university in the U.S....ironically that's when I started to realize how bullshit the catholic church and the rest of religions are. God does not exist.

Best quote out of Dawkins's book is something along the lines of "most people are atheists to at least 5 gods, I choose to one god further"

That quote is mind-numbingly stupid. That's like saying a woman is barren, even though she had just one child. An atheist believes that there is NO GOD. Therefore, if someone believes in ONE deity (no matter how many others in which he doesn't believe) he ain't an atheist, period.

[devilsmile]

While Perelman finds mathematics a painful topic to discuss after his out of this world achievement, Necrisis and Y bullshit rodas are trying to prove that God isn't there. Stay tuned cross eyed clinical idiot.

dude I don't comment on is god existing or not, no comment, even though it's ridiculous idea.

I'm ridiculing god, you should really comment about the horrors it has done just to make a point for itself  , with it's love bullshit and selling your soul crap at the same time god seems like a double moraled being

[MCWAY]

Science can't prove that god does exist. But just ask yourself......have you ever really had god "talk" to you? Or were you lead to the faith you have because your parents, family and friends just made you adopt it? Did god call out to you as a child and asked you to follow a particular denomination?
The chances that the current faith you have WAS predetermined by your parents and family and not by you, is pretty high.

Your parents can't determine or predetermine your faith. They can raise you with the values to which they hold dear (as would any set of parents would). But, at the end of the day, YOU make the choice on how you will follow.

Or, as the saying goes, God has no grandchildren. Lest you forget, there are MANY people who become Christians as adults, who did NOT grow up in Christian homes or with Christian parents.

[#1 Klaus fan]

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[theonlyone]

no.I'm asking...how about you?if your lord and Saviour told you to kill your own child would you?or would you go against your god's wishes?....

 big L dawg Let it Stella comment. I don't know bout Tbombz but if you're a christian there is no even a possibility of this nonsense to occur in your head. That's why Captain Exitpole's christian parents don't kell their stupi atheist son. I call fail

[YngiweRhoads]

That quote is mind-numbingly stupid. That's like saying a woman is barren, even though she had just one child. An atheist believes that there is NO GOD. Therefore, if someone believes in ONE deity (no matter how many others in which he doesn't believe) he ain't an atheist, period.

We've talked about the different types of atheism before, so I'm not going to debate the issue again. While I do agree with most of Dawkin's views with regards to religion et al, I would rather he weren't so much anti-theism as much as he should be pro-science. It tends to devalue his position somewhat, imho.

[big L dawg]

big L dawg Let it Stella comment. I don't know bout Tbombz but if you're a christian there is no even a possibility of this nonsense to occur in your head. I call fail

are you saying your god never asked a parent to kill there child?

[theonlyone]

are you saying your god never asked a parent to kill there child?

 big L dawg Let it Stella comment. I don't know bout Tbombz but if you're a christian there is no even a possibility of this nonsense to occur in your head. That's why Captain Exitpole's parents which are an orthodox christian don't kill their a stupid atheist son. I call fail

[tbombz]

Holy shit you went from humble deistic arguments to this?? Are you really feeling like an intellectual while typing that?

Brother, you should release your false beliefs.

If one comes to an understanding of God, would he not want to communicate with God?