If Ron Paul Wins Another Straw Poll Republicans May Stop Using Them!

[Hugo Chavez]

Although I doubt Romney would nominate a racist like Sotomayor,or takeover GM or not press charges against the black panthers or try to pass card check or capo and trade.So,there would be a difference.I also doubt we would have lost 7 million jobs under him like under the failure Obamabush

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[240 is Back]

240, 333386 and Hugo (probably all extremes of the political spectrum) would vote Ron Paul.

I know we all get our definition of 'electability' and 'political viability' from the same cable news idiots we mock all day... but aside from that...

If a guy can appeal to that many different political belief systems, he could win.

[Soul Crusher]

240, 333386 and Hugo (probably all extremes of the political spectrum) would vote Ron Paul.

I know we all get our definition of 'electability' and 'political viability' from the same cable news idiots we mock all day... but aside from that...

If a guy can appeal to that many different political belief systems, he could win.

One of the biggest things for me is that RP has been truthful his entire career and is not a lying chamelion like these other hacks.  Whether you agree or disagree with him, you know exactly where he stands on things.   

[240 is Back]

But we've heard from Hannity that "Ron paul isn't viable."

And for some reason, people just repeat it to feel important.  How viable was a libbylib in conservative clothing like Romney?  Hell, how "viable" was Mccain?  He got clobbered.

Now we'll hear all about how "Palin united republicans" by winning primaries by getting the horny angry stupid racist 1/4 of republicans to vote for her, leaving the others to split the vote.  After narrowing squeaking out the nomination, she'll get destoryed by Obama of course. 

But hey, Hannity told me Ron Paul isn't viable, so why vote for him?

[Soul Crusher]

Hannity is probably the worst of the worst of the so called "conservative media". 

[The Showstoppa]

Hugo, like mctones said, I'm just concerned that he would not take what is going on outside the country as serious enough, until it might be too late.  And like it or not, it's a global economy and what goes on in other countries most certainly affects us.  The thing I REALLY like about him is that I think he would truly try to commit to making the US more self-sufficient....therefore the "seclusionist" attitude wouldn't matter nearly as much.  I plan on voting for him in 2012.  No candidate is perfect, and I think that is really the only chink I see in his armor.  Very small compared to the overall picture of some of these turds.

[Hugo Chavez]

Hugo, like mctones said, I'm just concerned that he would not take what is going on outside the country as serious enough, until it might be too late.  And like it or not, it's a global economy and what goes on in other countries most certainly affects us.  The thing I REALLY like about him is that I think he would truly try to commit to making the US more self-sufficient....therefore the "seclusionist" attitude wouldn't matter nearly as much.  I plan on voting for him in 2012.  No candidate is perfect, and I think that is really the only chink I see in his armor.  Very small compared to the overall picture of some of these turds.

well there's a gigantic difference between protecting against hostile moves made toward us and intervening/guiding and forcing others to conform to what we feel would be in our best intererst.  The latter has constituted a great portion of our interventions over the last hundred years.  One is natural and expected and the other is psycho and Darth Vader Empire like.

I think it's clear that Paul would very much guard our interests, with less Empire/Vader like wrath.

Big deal, IMO we were never meant or promised Ruler of the Know Universe rights by the founding fathers.

[tonymctones]

he is also in favor or repealing portions of the health care bill one in particular the personal mandate for health insurance...how many liberals would fall in line with that? Ive seen a number of them defend that on this board alone

like I said alot of liberal view ron paul favorable now b/c his views do indeed line up with theirs on foreign policy as of right now but I dont believe they do in terms of his actual reasoning for his views which they dont look at only what he feels on a subject not why he feels that way...but then again most ppl wouldnt I would say so who knows...

[The Showstoppa]

well there's a gigantic difference between protecting against hostile moves made toward us and intervening/guiding and forcing others to conform to what we feel would be in our best intererst.  The latter has constituted a great portion of our interventions over the last hundred years.  One is natural and expected and the other is psycho and Darth Vader Empire like.

I think it's clear that Paul would very much guard our interests, with less Empire/Vader like wrath.

Big deal, IMO we were never meant or promised Ruler of the Know Universe rights by the founding fathers.

I hear and agree with what you are saying, I think the toughest thing is to walk the line between when to get involved and when not to.

[Hugo Chavez]

I hear and agree with what you are saying, I think the toughest thing is to walk the line between when to get involved and when not to.

yes, that I could agree with.  At least if there was some line that we had to think about, but I kid you not, the last hundred years has been a total absence of even that.  If you really dig into the interventions and covert interventions we've had, it would boggle your mind.  And I have dug into them.  A huge portion of them are totally over the line.  Done so at the behest of corporate and elite banking powers for their own interests.  It's seriously disgusting some of the stuff we've done and I'm not dogging America, I love my country.  These people that manipulated our country are criminals, not patriots.  It's those type of things that I know Ron Paul would not be signing off on.

[MRDUMPLING]

I was a major fanboy of Ron Paul as soon as I started posting here.  Libertarian for the win!

 

I will once again do what I can to help Ron Paul as I did this last election. 

[BM OUT]

"Now we'll hear all about how "Palin united republicans" by winning primaries by getting the horny angry stupid racist 1/4 of republicans to vote for her, leaving the others to split the vote."

Yes we are all listening to Hannity and thats why we say "he cant win".However,YOU obviously only listen to MSNBC kooks which is why you say those who vote for Palin are racist.Who then voted for Obama?He got 97% of black votes ,probably because they just agree with him nothing AT ALL to do with race.No racism there at all.

Yes the Palin supporters are racists as is she.Didnt she sit in a racist church for twenty years...oh wait,sorry wrong candidate.

I also guess when those stupid ass women were fainting at the site of Obama it was because of his briliant thinking.Not just because of his celebrity.No sir,he is just so brilliant with his "ummmmm,ahhhhh,ummmm" that people pass out at the sound of it.Great post,good points.

Obama=7 million jobs lost,keep trying to deflect it as a Palin problem,you and your MSNBC psychos all believe it,now if you could just get more then the 300,000 of you to believe it.

[240 is Back]

you defend the POS palin by attacking obama.

could it be - imagine - they BOTH suck?

[tonymctones]

you defend the POS palin by attacking obama.

could it be - imagine - they BOTH suck?

if you feel this way than why not simply admit it call him them both out when they deserve it and condemn their actions?

instead you silver line, defend, deflect, ignore and draw moral equivilancies and on top of that say that shit isnt an issue and we should concentrate on the issues

then turn around and start idiotic threads about palin?

  iono if you really get upset that ppl call you out on shit or not 240 but again youve earned your rep on this board time and time again 

[The Showstoppa]

yes, that I could agree with.  At least if there was some line that we had to think about, but I kid you not, the last hundred years has been a total absence of even that.  If you really dig into the interventions and covert interventions we've had, it would boggle your mind.  And I have dug into them.  A huge portion of them are totally over the line.  Done so at the behest of corporate and elite banking powers for their own interests.  It's seriously disgusting some of the stuff we've done and I'm not dogging America, I love my country.  These people that manipulated our country are criminals, not patriots.  It's those type of things that I know Ron Paul would not be signing off on.

no doubt there have many occurences of backdoor deals, etc...  What always gets under my skin is that the ones who pull the strings at the highest levels are insulated from the incidents and it's the grunts on the ground who get labeled "civilian killers" etc.... when they are put into no-win situations.  And often i think even the military brass is not privy to what is really going on.  Sad state of affairs.

[Dos Equis]

This reminds me of the time Hugo cited a facebook poll as evidence of Ron Paul's support.   

Some things to keep in mind:

1.  Ron Paul ran a long campaign but could not win a single primary in 08. 

2.  He couldn't raise anywhere near the amount of money necessary to win. 

3.  In his home state of Texas, the primary results were:  697,767 for McCain, 518,002 for Huckabee, and 66,360 for Paul.  http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX

4.  I believe he had to fight for reelection in his own Congressional district? 

5.  He's not entirely loyal to the Republican party.  Not saying that's a bad thing, but he'll never get the support of the rank and file members, much less the movers and shakers, without party loyalty.

When you factor this into his problems with public speaking, presentation, etc., I really don't see anything changing. 

BTW, Fox News interviewed him this morning.   

[240 is Back]

''if you feel this way than why not simply admit it call him them both out when they deserve it and condemn their actions?"

LMAO.... how many times do you want me to call the obama agenda a liberal crap sandwich being shoved down our throats?  LOL search 240 and "crap sandwich" and you'll see about 1000 references to it.  It's like, kinda, my way to describe the obama bills. 

yea, I'm fascinated that politically he's still at 45% gallup when he's done 30 years of damage in just 15 months.  makes no sense to me.  He's very shrewd politically.

[Soul Crusher]

''if you feel this way than why not simply admit it call him them both out when they deserve it and condemn their actions?"

LMAO.... how many times do you want me to call the obama agenda a liberal crap sandwich being shoved down our throats?  LOL search 240 and "crap sandwich" and you'll see about 1000 references to it.  It's like, kinda, my way to describe the obama bills. 

yea, I'm fascinated that politically he's still at 45% gallup when he's done 30 years of damage in just 15 months.  makes no sense to me.  He's very shrewd politically.

Or the electorate is very dumb. 

[Hugo Chavez]

This reminds me of the time Hugo cited a facebook poll as evidence of Ron Paul's support.   

You can't even remember what I did so how can it remind you of anything?

[tonymctones]

''if you feel this way than why not simply admit it call him them both out when they deserve it and condemn their actions?"

LMAO.... how many times do you want me to call the obama agenda a liberal crap sandwich being shoved down our throats?  LOL search 240 and "crap sandwich" and you'll see about 1000 references to it.  It's like, kinda, my way to describe the obama bills. 

yea, I'm fascinated that politically he's still at 45% gallup when he's done 30 years of damage in just 15 months.  makes no sense to me.  He's very shrewd politically.

EVERYTIME...you have silverlined for him far more than you have condemned his actions...then you turn around and act suprised when I call you out on it?  seriously?

[Benny B]

are you kidding, I can find 2 dozen presidents from the past that look more haggared than Ron Paul.  The reason Ron Paul can get away with it at an other age is that he's never deviated from his message.  Listen to the Ron Paul tapes from the 80's and it's the same as now.  These are extreme constitutional basics.  He would be fine for 4 years governing on what he has spent most of his life preaching.  He's not like 98% of these other clowns that are not sure what's coming and going, changing their message to fit as the times change.  Ron Paul has remained constant.  Even if he lost his mind, he would still remember the basics which is all he's put forth for so many years.

IF Ron Paul runs, I will this time register republican to vote for him in the primary and for president.  

Oh and show me a debate Ron Paul has came out looking like shit in?  You say he isn't good in a debate.  I've watched him debate with so many I can't count them and I have never felt he lost.  He always comes out owning the opposition.  That's part of his fan base, all these videos of him owning some fool trying to get the better of him.

And this moron is supposedly the board's "left leaning moderator." 

Good luck with the Paul Ron fella. He will get fewer votes in '12 than he received in '08. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

And this moron is supposedly the board's "left leaning moderator." 

Good luck with the Paul Ron fella. He will get fewer votes in '12 than he received in '08. 

  The only real moron around here is you. You have no problems making excuses for Obama when it's obvious that he's bought and paid for, so really, no one here really gives a shit about what you have to say.

[Hugo Chavez]

And this moron is supposedly the board's "left leaning moderator."  

Good luck with the Paul Ron fella. He will get fewer votes in '12 than he received in '08.  

sorry, I didn't realise it was the mods job to be a dedicated dipshit.  You clearly would have filled that position better than me

Thank god not everyone on the left is as stupid as you.

[Benny B]

sorry, I didn't realise it was the mods job to be a dedicated dipshit.  You clearly would have filled that position better than me

Thank god not everyone on the left is as stupid as you.

"That" God? lol
IDIOT

*yawn*
Nobody is watching all of that.

[Hugo Chavez]

"That" God? lol
IDIOT

*yawn*
Nobody is watching all of that.

actually jackass, there was already a thread where people did comment on the video  But I don't really give a shit what you want to do.  The simple fact is that you've proven your opinions here are as worthless as a pundit for hire.  You've decided what Obama and the dems do is right even before they do it.  You're worthless to the American process and it's people like you that are the biggest problem in America.  You and people like you enable the worst in politicians.  Why don't you just pick a sports team to cheerlead for