I wasn't looking for the masses to validate my opinion, just pointing out what many "experts" consider about Ronnie. You have done the same with Dorian in the past too.
I saw your reply to Neo, you said that when others say Ronnie's best was 2001/1998, its not subjective because its based on non subjective criteria like conditioning. What about when Peter McGough said Ronnie's best was 1999? Was it based on non subjective criteria too or not?
Can't you see opinions vary and its all subjective?
But let's say those comments are based on non subjective criteria and that Ronnie's best was 98 or 2001. Couldn't the same be said about people that say Ronnie is unbeatable or that he had the best physique ever? Based on non subjective criteria?
What was Dorian's best contest physique to you?
If you say 1995, then his proportions are not better than a top Ronnie.
Why do you play this card on Hulkster all the time then........ 
This can also show that Ronnie could look bigger than Dorian despite being lighter.
I think a greatly improved version of Ronnie (98-99) beats Dorian.
You're forgetting Flex's best was the 1993 Arnold Classic, he wasn't as good at the Olympia that same year.
I could dare say he was better at the 1999 Olympia and possibly equal at the 1998 version compared to the 1993 Olympia.
Those pics are ok.
1st pic: I never saw Ronnie's forearms look that narrow before, I could post another pic of his forearms looking in better proportion to his upper arms. But let's say Ronnie's forearm/upper arm proportion wasn't good compared to Dorian; Dorian's arms/back-torso proportion wasn't good either compared to Ronnie. Which do you think has a bigger impact on overall proportion? I think Dorian's flaw has more of an impact and that's not considering how his quads look in proportion to his torso compared with Ronnie.
2nd pic: I can understand your point here.......I mean, Dorian actually appears to have better balance & proportion on this pic, but what kind of comparison is this?
A black sillhouette comparison in which Dorian's waist is the same size as Ronnie's? A comparison in which Dorian's arms are just as big as Ronnie's?
I don't know where you got this pic, but its not doing the trick.
If you look at real pics of both, in most poses, you can see Ronnie actually has the better proportions. In these sillhouett pics you can't see the actual development of the muscle groups as well.
3rd pic: I see it, but its not as detrimental as Dorian's flaws. Again you are ignoring Dorian's proportion flaws.
I wasn't looking for the masses to validate my opinion, just pointing out what many "experts" consider about Ronnie. You have done the same with Dorian in the past too.
then it's redundant you typing it then don't you think?
I saw your reply to Neo, you said that when others say Ronnie's best was 2001/1998, its not subjective because its based on non subjective criteria like conditioning. What about when Peter McGough said Ronnie's best was 1999? Was it based on non subjective criteria too or not?
Can't you see opinions vary and its all subjective?
Let's clarify Peter did NOT say 1999 was Ronnie's best in fact he said 2001 was his best which coincides with a vast majority of people , and the reference to the 99 Olympia was NOT even about his best Olympia it was in reference to a memorable moment at the Olympia where the guy set the bar on that day , he referenced Dorian and the 1993 Mr Olympia and he does NOT consider that his best Olympia showing . That's Hulkster drawing his own conclusions
2001 is considered his best because he had the perfect blend of size , density , dryness and balance for his physique it's pretty much the best of all worlds for his physique
But let's say those comments are based on non subjective criteria and that Ronnie's best was 98 or 2001. Couldn't the same be said about people that say Ronnie is unbeatable or that he had the best physique ever? Based on non subjective criteria?
no there is a difference as many have point out which McGough touched on in who is the best Mr Olympia ever , it's impossible to choose , way , way to many variables , lighting , technology , contexts , knowledge , etc many people feel many different people are the greatest ever way to subjective a topic
What was Dorian's best contest physique to you?
If you say 1995, then his proportions are not better than a top Ronnie.
1995 or 1993 and his proportions even with the one bicep shorter than the other is still better than Ronnies , Ronnie will always have two very underdeveloped sub-par calves that aren't in proportion with his quads and entertaining all things were equal ( and they're not ) two is worse than one
Why do you play this card on Hulkster all the time then........
subjective/non-subjective popular opinion doesn't make it a correct opinion , the minority judge contests not the majority , I don't look for popular opinion on a subjective topic as a means of proof
This can also show that Ronnie could look bigger than Dorian despite being lighter.
no it does not because Ronnie's conditioning was never on par with Yates and entertaining it was Dorian was still larger and had equal conditioning
I think a greatly improved version of Ronnie (98-99) beats Dorian.
You're forgetting Flex's best was the 1993 Arnold Classic, he wasn't as good at the Olympia that same year.
I could dare say he was better at the 1999 Olympia and possibly equal at the 1998 version compared to the 1993 Olympia.
Greatly improved where? by Ronnie being harder & drier? with bitch tits in 98? NO WAY in hell Ronnie 98 would beat Dorian he barely beat Flex and 99 he was bigger and fuller albeit with less density & dryness this would be very evident next to a insanely conditioned Yates
Flex wasn't as great at the Olympia as he was in the Arnold , but he was close enough and either you're being contrary or just plain ignorant , Flex at the 99/98 Olympia wasn't on par with 93 Olympia not even close if he was he would have been Mr Olympia
Those pics are ok.
1st pic: I never saw Ronnie's forearms look that narrow before, I could post another pic of his forearms looking in better proportion to his upper arms. But let's say Ronnie's forearm/upper arm proportion wasn't good compared to Dorian; Dorian's arms/back-torso proportion wasn't good either compared to Ronnie. Which do you think has a bigger impact on overall proportion? I think Dorian's flaw has more of an impact and that's not considering how his quads look in proportion to his torso compared with Ronnie.
Ronnie's forearm bicep/triceps discrepancy has always been there , the heavier he gets the worse it became old news , still NOT on par with Yates it's just not , you can't claim Dorian's arms/back-torso proportion wasn't great all you'd like it doesn't change the fact you're grasping at straws , Ronnie's arms in fact are to LONG for his short torso now couple that with long legs and the short torso and the calf & forearm imbalance out of the two Dorian's balance & proportion is better
2nd pic: I can understand your point here.......I mean, Dorian actually appears to have better balance & proportion on this pic, but what kind of comparison is this?
A black sillhouette comparison in which Dorian's waist is the same size as Ronnie's? A comparison in which Dorian's arms are just as big as Ronnie's?
I don't know where you got this pic, but its not doing the trick.
If you look at real pics of both, in most poses, you can see Ronnie actually has the better proportions. In these sillhouett pics you can't see the actual development of the muscle groups as well.
The scale isn't perfect this I know , ironic you bring up that tidbit because 99.9% of the comparisons they post are way off , where Ronnie at 247 pounds has the same size calves as Dorian and he has the same size waist , but I digress , even with the scale off it's clearly shows who has a short torso , who has long legs & arms in relation to the torso , who has disproportionate calves and forearms and it's Ronnie , he may have a smaller waist & hips and joints however he doesn't compare overall
3rd pic: I see it, but its not as detrimental as Dorian's flaws. Again you are ignoring Dorian's proportion flaws.
you see it and you shouldn't fucking see it , and you said I was nitpicking and I'm not merely showing you how the judges would look at it , Ronnie may have gotten away with it with the competition he faced but he never faced a prime Dorian , wait he did and we all know how that turned out
Dorian's proportion flaws are not nearly as much as a liability compared to Ronnie
[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?
Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.
One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.
here is Dorian commenting on his outstanding balance & proportion , you know what's ironic is I raved about it for years before I ever found this quote and it was very nice to be validated after the fact by an IFBB judge like Yates
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
another IFBB judge commenting on Yates outstanding balance and at his best he was absolutely near perfect in this aspect , reminds me of the Flex magazine coverage of the 93 when they assess the competitors strengths & weaknesses , concerning Dorian they remarked weaknesses and their response was " none ...really "
Shawn Perine Ironage May 9 2009
Although I prefer the Reeves-Zane-Paris physique, I still contend that there was never a more complete, muscular human being to walk the earth than Dorian on the day Kevin Horton shot him pre-93 O. I was never so shocked by a set of bodybuilding photos as when I went through that article. Even Ronnie at his best, lacked Dorian's hardness and certainly his calves.see a pattern here? Dorian was more complete , had better balance & proportion , unrivaled conditioning and he was a better poser , believe me Ronnie would have a ton of trouble beating Dorian
