Dorian Yates - overrated!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I believe the gyno was only there one year, he took care of it.

 Personally, I find Dorian's right chest/biceps varicose vein problems more distracting (paul dillet syndrome). It takes away any appearance of aesthetics, and removes his image of balance and proportion which you praise so highly of.
 

that's besides the point

how would a vein remove balance & proportion? how does this affect proportion from one muscle to the next? or muscle length ? and aesthetics? and Dorian in the same sentence? you sir are really , really grasping at straws on this

[FREAKgeek]

[Shockwave]

Its good to see a pro Dorian guy in here with a little sense. I have to agree with you.

To ND however, peak Dorian vs peak Ronnie would be a 100% Dorian win and not even close. 

I feel the same way. No were did I evel claim Ronnie would be blown out by dorian.
It would be the tightest O ever.
I think Dorian would win because his size is comparable, conditioning is equal or slightly better, and he is more complete.
Slightly undersized bi's vs NO calves.
Thats how I see it going down. Tighest contest evar.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The difference in density & dryness is staggering , you're not helping your case here bro

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[Sherief Shalaby]

Re: Two gay men argue for 50 pages. Hulk vs. ND.

who has changed this title??

[FREAKgeek]

The difference in density & dryness is staggering , you're not helping your case here bro

More lat mass, just as much trap mass, and comparable definition.

Look more closely at your hero, you can't even make out the separation between the spinal errectors and lats on the left side. So much for the amazing balance and proportion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

More lat mass, just as much trap mass, and comparable definition.

Look more closely at your hero, you can't even make out the separation between the spinal errectors and lats on the left side. So much for the amazing balance and proportion.

More lat-mass? says who? just as much trap mass? don't mistake size for conditioned size my friend there is a vast difference

and what the fuck does separation have to do with balance & proportion? I mean where should I begin with this dumbass statement?

[FREAKgeek]

More lat-mass? says who? just as much trap mass? don't mistake size for conditioned size my friend there is a vast difference

and what the fuck does separation have to do with balance & proportion? I mean where should I begin with this dumbass statement?

The symmetry he displays in my pic looks shitty compared to ronnie. That's what I meant. Ronnie has more mass and you know it.

Dorian isn't drier waist down too, all he has is a bit more sharpness waist up.

Dorian is always sharpest alone, low oil gloss, usually black and white pics that give it a grainy appearance.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The symmetry he displays in my pic looks shitty compared to ronnie. That's what I meant. Ronnie has more mass and you know it.

Dorian isn't drier waist down too, all he has is a bit more sharpness waist up.

Dorian is always sharpest alone, low oil gloss, usually black and white pics that give it a grainy appearance.

Symmetry what do you mean by symmetry? that's a word that has many means and Ronnie has more mass? is it conditioned mass? is it dense hard muscle?

Dorian is drier ALL over compared to Ronnie especially 2003 , in 03 Ronnie's conditioning wasn't on par with 1998/2001ASC nevermind as dry as Yates

And he's only the sharpest alone? how did he win so many Olympia's directly compared to all of his contemporaries? did you not just see the color pic I posted comparing him to Ronnie 2001? you're making a LOT of assumptions and ignorant statements here

[FREAKgeek]

Symmetry what do you mean by symmetry? that's a word that has many means and Ronnie has more mass? is it conditioned mass? is it dense hard muscle?

You take an imaginary, vertical line centerd at the spine of both pics (my pics). Ronnie looks more symmetrical on both sides of the line than dorian. I can't explain this anymore clearly, it's not hard to see.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You take an imaginary, vertical line centerd at the spine of both pics (my pics). Ronnie looks more symmetrical on both sides of the line than dorian. I can't explain this anymore clearly, it's not hard to see.

sure you can symmetrical in the bodybuilding context has numerous meanings , if you're claiming his left & right sides are exact duplicates of each other that's nonsense because nothing in nature is truly symmetrical

Ronnie is technically more symmetrical in the context of having a smaller waist & hips and smaller joints but he doesn't have as good as muscle balance & proportion as Dorian

He's no where near as hard or dry as Dorian in 03 sorry not his best showing by a long shot

[FREAKgeek]

And he's only the sharpest alone? how did he win so many Olympia's directly compared to all of his contemporaries? did you not just see the color pic I posted comparing him to Ronnie 2001? you're making a LOT of assumptions and ignorant statements here

I'm not questioning Dorian's dryness, but there are attributes in photos, which I mentioned, that enhances it.


As an unrelated aside, I've seen plenty of pics of bodybuilders that look better without posing oil.

[Hulkster]

I am not a gay man.

anyone who follows my other posts knows my love of the hairy pussy

ND on the other hand, well...lets just say that being gay was a prerequisit for his job at the flower company

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am not a gay man.

anyone who follows my other posts knows my love of the hairy pussy

ND on the other hand, well...lets just say that being gay was a prerequisit for his job at the flower company

Hahahahahahaha owned

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not questioning Dorian's dryness, but there are attributes in photos, which I mentioned, that enhances it.


As an unrelated aside, I've seen plenty of pics of bodybuilders that look better without posing oil.

how does photos enhance the thiness of ones skin? please answer the question

[Hulkster]

well for starters, black and white photography is famous for enhancing the detail and making people look more 'grainy'

for example:

there is a reason why dorian's 93 precontest shots are the best photos ever taken of him and he NEVER looked that good onstage.

black and white photography and careful lighting is one of them.

[Immortal_Technique]

The difference in density & dryness is staggering , you're not helping your case here bro

Dude wake up and smell the one dimensional argument. What about separation and size? Also valuable surely? Especially when it's such a staggering difference. WHo in Dorian's day had a back that made his look small? Oh yeah no one.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dude wake up and smell the one dimensional argument. What about separation and size? Also valuable surely? Especially when it's such a staggering difference. WHo in Dorian's day had a back that made his look small? Oh yeah no one.

Oh boy who said the argument was one dimensional? what about separation? Dorian's back is much more separated and dry and dense compared to Ronnie 03 , he has better balance and proportion , and he's more complete and he's a better poser NO one dimensional argument in fact an argument encompassing ALL of the judging criteria

You're assuming Ronnie's back would make Dorian's look small you don't know that and even in 03 this is highly unlikely

[NarcissisticDeity]

well for starters, black and white photography is famous for enhancing the detail and making people look more 'grainy'

for example:

there is a reason why dorian's 93 precontest shots are the best photos ever taken of him and he NEVER looked that good onstage.

black and white photography and careful lighting is one of them.

That's not what he said , he said it enhances his dryness , that's nonsense. enhancing the detail that is already there and enhancing someones dryness are two different things

one has to be dry in order to see detail and that pic of him in color is a scan from a magazine and he never looked that good onstage? opppsss you forgot this pic and cried it was morphed , how soon we forget

[Hulkster]

I love that dorian pic because it shows just how piss poor his quads really were.

fully flexed and extended they have no cuts, no seperation and are way too small for his massive calves.

its a great pic. please keep posting it!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I love that dorian pic because it shows just how piss poor his quads really were.

fully flexed and extended they have no cuts, no seperation and are way too small for his massive calves.

its a great pic. please keep posting it!

yeah when owned try and divert to another topic typical Hulkster

yes his quads were so piss-poor that's why he destroys Ronnie in ANY ab0thigh shot 

same contest NO cuts? NO separation? calves to big or quads?

keep posting I'll keep correcting 

[Immortal_Technique]

Oh boy who said the argument was one dimensional? what about separation? Dorian's back is much more separated and dry and dense compared to Ronnie 03 , he has better balance and proportion , and he's more complete and he's a better poser NO one dimensional argument in fact an argument encompassing ALL of the judging criteria

You're assuming Ronnie's back would make Dorian's look small you don't know that and even in 03 this is highly unlikely

Dude I'm calling your argument one dimensional as it hinges on density and dryness alone. But Muntzer, Gaspari etc would all have made Mr Olympia if this were the only criteria. However in Gaspari's case there was a much bigger, fuller, taller guy with a bigger back who stood in his way. This is all true of Ronnie in relation to Dorian. And Ronnie also has the most stupidly insane hams and glutes of all time in his armoury - see 'separation' - which really makes it tricky for the Dorian argument. Again Gaspari was denser and dryer than Haney, but bigger softer Haney was just more Olympian in stature and beat him in back shots en mass, if you will. If you think Dorian is more separated than Ronnie then I don't know what to say other than this is simply not true, and we've already covered Ronnie's superior aesthetic so you know it would be close, and I think the Gaspari/Haney-esque size difference argument would carry a lot of weight, so to speak.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dude I'm calling your argument one dimensional as it hinges on density and dryness alone. But Muntzer, Gaspari etc would all have made Mr Olympia if this were the only criteria. However in Gaspari's case there was a much bigger, fuller, taller guy with a bigger back who stood in his way. This is all true of Ronnie in relation to Dorian. And Ronnie also has the most stupidly insane hams and glutes of all time in his armoury - see 'separation' - which really makes it tricky for the Dorian argument. Again Gaspari was denser and dryer than Haney, but bigger softer Haney was just more Olympian in stature and beat him in back shots on mass. If you think Dorian is more separated than Ronnie then I don't know what to say other than this is simply not true, and we've already covered Ronnie's superior aesthetic so you know it would be close, and I think the Gaspari/Haney-esque size difference argument would carry a lot of weight, so to speak.

I just explained to you my argument encompasses ALL of the criteria it doesn't hinge on conditioning alone.

I laugh at anyone who attempts to try as use the word aesthetics and advantage in the same sentence pertaining to Ronnie

Dorian is NOT Munzer , he's not Gaspari he's Yates and despite being 10lbs lighter than Haney in his first Olympia ever he eat him in the muscularity round and Haney was at his all-time best shape

Dorian directly compared to Ronnie 2003 has better density & dryness , balance & proportion , Ronnie has the advantage in muscular bulk ( although it's not much of an advantage when it's not that dense hard bulk ) he has an advantage in symmetry ( smaller joints , hips , waist ) like I've said many times before Ronnie has meets ( part(s) ) of the criteria better than Dorian but as a whole Dorian meets all of them better

[Hulkster]

Dude I'm calling your argument one dimensional as it hinges on density and dryness alone. But Muntzer, Gaspari etc would all have made Mr Olympia if this were the only criteria. However in Gaspari's case there was a much bigger, fuller, taller guy with a bigger back who stood in his way. This is all true of Ronnie in relation to Dorian. And Ronnie also has the most stupidly insane hams and glutes of all time in his armoury - see 'separation' - which really makes it tricky for the Dorian argument. Again Gaspari was denser and dryer than Haney, but bigger softer Haney was just more Olympian in stature and beat him in back shots en mass, if you will. If you think Dorian is more separated than Ronnie then I don't know what to say other than this is simply not true, and we've already covered Ronnie's superior aesthetic so you know it would be close, and I think the Gaspari/Haney-esque size difference argument would carry a lot of weight, so to speak.

well said. don't forget that Haney beat dorian for much the same reason that Ronnie would beat dorian:

same size
better shape
better taper
better quads
better back (back then at least)

etc.

ronnie also displays much better seperation in many shots (except for the abs and lower back)