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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2010, 06:15:22 AM »
Wouldn't it be easier and much better to just end those benefits for everyone?  Aren't you against Socialism?

ha ha.  I would have work farms, food depots, and almost chain gangs for people on public assitance. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2010, 06:15:36 AM »
He needs to get his own material.   :D

Paul: No citizenship for children of undocumented immigrants
Posted: May 28th, 2010

From CNN's Charles Riley

Washington (CNN) - Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul is once again making waves, this time for saying he opposes citizenship for U.S. born children of undocumented immigrants.

In an interview posted Wednesday on RT.com, a Russian television station that broadcasts in English, Paul said he favors modifying current law.

"We are the only country I know of that allows people to come in illegally, have a baby, and then that baby becomes a citizen," Paul said. "And I think that should stop also."

Paul, a Tea Party movement favorite, captured the Kentucky GOP primary last week, defeating establishment candidate Trey Grayson.

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees citizenship to individuals born in the United States, but Paul's position is not an unpopular one in Congress.

Legislation referred to as the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009, a bill that has 91 co-sponsors, would modify the Immigration and Nationality Act to prevent U.S. citizenship for individuals born to undocumented immigrants.

Paul campaign chairman David Adams confirmed to CNN that Paul stands by his comments.

Paul also suggested that immigration policies favored by Democrats are politically motivated.

"I'm not opposed to letting people come in work and labor in our country, but I think what we should do is, we shouldn't provide an easy route to citizenship. A lot of this is about demographics," Paul said. "If you look at new immigrants from Mexico, they register three to one Democrat. The Democrat Party is for easy citizenship for allowing them to vote."

On his campaign website, Paul explains his position on immigration in terms of incentives and subsidies.

"I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Once the subsidies for illegal immigration are removed, the problem will likely become far less common," Paul says.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/28/paul-no-citizenship-for-children-of-undocumented-immigrants/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS#more-106272

I like Ron Paul, but isn't he always rambling about going back to the Constitution and following the Constitution?  Now he wants to amend the Constitution?  What?

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2010, 11:13:10 AM »
I like Ron Paul, but isn't he always rambling about going back to the Constitution and following the Constitution?  Now he wants to amend the Constitution?  What?

Nothing inconsistent there.  This is one thing that needs to be amended.

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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2010, 12:21:45 PM »
Nothing inconsistent there.  This is one thing that needs to be amended.

What problem will this fix and is there no other way to fix it?

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2010, 04:31:11 PM »
What problem will this fix and is there no other way to fix it?

It would eliminate "anchor babies."  It would deter those who come across the border solely to get pregnant, making deportation more difficult.  It should reduce government assistance/welfare. 

Not sure if there is another way to stop this kind of thing.  I wonder if we're the only country in the world that grants citizenship like this? 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2010, 05:37:09 AM »
It would eliminate "anchor babies."  It would deter those who come across the border solely to get pregnant, making deportation more difficult.  It should reduce government assistance/welfare.  

Not sure if there is another way to stop this kind of thing.  I wonder if we're the only country in the world that grants citizenship like this?  

Get rid of welfare.  If they have no reason to stay, they'll go back and take their babies with them.  Welfare is a huge problem in the US with or without illegal immigration anyway.  Kill two birds with one stone.

No, the United States is not the only country in the world granting birthright citizenship.

Nations Granting Birthright Citizenship

The United States is just one of many nations that offers the unconditional citizenship of children born within its borders. The following is a list of nation's that also grant Birthright Citizenship:

    * Antigua and Barbuda
    * Argentina
    * Azerbaijan
    * Barbados
    * Belize
    * Bolivia
    * Brazil
    * Dominica
    * Dominican Republic
    * Ecuador
    * El Salvador
    * Fiji
    * Grenada
    * Guatemala
    * Guyana
    * Honduras
    * Jamaica
    * Lesotho
    * Mexico
    * Nicaragua
    * Pakistan
    * Panama
    * Paraguay
    * Peru
    * Saint Christopher and Nevis
    * Saint Lucia
    * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
    * Trinidad and Tobago
    * Uruguay
    * Venezuela

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2010, 01:37:09 PM »
Get rid of welfare.  If they have no reason to stay, they'll go back and take their babies with them.  Welfare is a huge problem in the US with or without illegal immigration anyway.  Kill two birds with one stone.

No, the United States is not the only country in the world granting birthright citizenship.

Nations Granting Birthright Citizenship

The United States is just one of many nations that offers the unconditional citizenship of children born within its borders. The following is a list of nation's that also grant Birthright Citizenship:

    * Antigua and Barbuda
    * Argentina
    * Azerbaijan
    * Barbados
    * Belize
    * Bolivia
    * Brazil
    * Dominica
    * Dominican Republic
    * Ecuador
    * El Salvador
    * Fiji
    * Grenada
    * Guatemala
    * Guyana
    * Honduras
    * Jamaica
    * Lesotho
    * Mexico
    * Nicaragua
    * Pakistan
    * Panama
    * Paraguay
    * Peru
    * Saint Christopher and Nevis
    * Saint Lucia
    * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
    * Trinidad and Tobago
    * Uruguay
    * Venezuela

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html

Welfare isn't going away.  The fact we give any kind of benefits to illegals is just wrong. 

Thanks for the info.  From the link:

NOTES:

NO European nations grant Birthright Citizenship
No developed nations other than the United States grant Birthright Citizenship
Historically used to grow a nation's population, NO nation, other than the United States, has more than 200 million people, and every nation has fewer than 50 million except the United States, Pakistan, Brazil and Mexico

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2010, 01:48:44 PM »
Welfare isn't going away.  The fact we give any kind of benefits to illegals is just wrong. 

Thanks for the info.  From the link:

NOTES:

NO European nations grant Birthright Citizenship
No developed nations other than the United States grant Birthright Citizenship
Historically used to grow a nation's population, NO nation, other than the United States, has more than 200 million people, and every nation has fewer than 50 million except the United States, Pakistan, Brazil and Mexico

Why is Welfare not going away?  Do you think the constitution will be amended?

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2010, 03:14:28 PM »
Why is Welfare not going away?  Do you think the constitution will be amended?

I think most people favor some sort of safety net.  I do.  It's abuse that many people have a problem with. 

No, I seriously doubt the Constitution will be amended.  It's too difficult.  Good message board material though.   :)

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2010, 08:56:41 PM »
Boehner: End to Birthright Citizenship 'Worth Considering'
Published August 08, 2010 | FoxNews.com

In this June 10 photo, House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio speaks to reporters outside the White House. (AP Photo)
House Minority Leader John Boehner on Sunday said he's open to talks on changing the U.S. Constitution -- or at least the way it's interpreted -- so that U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are not automatically U.S. citizens.

"I think it's worth considering," Boehner said.

The top House Republican joined Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in calling for further study of the idea -- something that has been endorsed by prominent Republicans over the past few weeks. Though the call is already running into stiff opposition and faces extremely long odds of ever succeeding, some lawmakers say it would be a way to minimize the incentive for illegal immigration.

"There is a problem. To provide an incentive for illegal immigrants to come here so that their children can be U.S. citizens does, in fact, draw more people to our country," Boehner said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "I do think that it's time for us to secure our borders and enforce the law and allow this conversation about the 14th Amendment to continue."

He continued: "In certain parts of our country, clearly our schools, our hospitals are being overrun by illegal immigrants -- a lot of whom came here just so their children could become U.S. citizens."

Critics of the push to change what is commonly referred to as birthright citizenship say the claims are overblown. Michael Wildes, an immigration lawyer, told FoxNews.com last month that immigrants do not generally come to the United States to have children -- granted, it's a benefit for the child, but the parents would realize no material gain until their children reach 21 years old and can sponsor their parents for legal residency. Wildes dismissed any chance of the move succeeding.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has also ridiculed the idea.

A bill was introduced in April 2009 that called for the law to be changed so "birthright citizenship" as prescribed in the 14th Amendment only applies if one of the child's parents is a U.S. citizen or national, or a legal immigrant -- but that bill has stalled. If lawmakers tried to change the Constitution itself, it would take a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress as well as ratification by three-fourths of the states.

However, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., broached the topic last month after a federal judge blocked key provisions in Arizona's illegal immigration law. He said birthright citizenship "attracts people here for all the wrong reasons."

Sens. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., John McCain, R-Ariz., and Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., have all joined Graham in saying the idea should at least be considered.

The United States is one of the few countries that grants citizenship based on birth inside the country.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/08/boehner-end-birthright-citizenship-worth-considering/

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2010, 11:24:49 AM »
Huckabee: Don't Amend the 14th Amendment
Friday, 13 Aug 2010
 
Former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee says he is against changing the 14th Amendment to defeat birthright citizenship, according to a report by Politico.com.

“The Supreme Court has decided that, I think, in three different centuries,” Huckabee said to NPR. “In every single instance, they have affirmed that if you are born in this country, you are considered to be a citizen. The only option there is to change the Constitution.”

Is the former Arkansas governor for such a change? "No," he says directly.

Meanwhile, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio and other GOP leaders have said they support holding hearings on birthright citizenship.

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2010, 01:03:20 PM »
White House: 14th Amendment change 'just wrong'
Posted: August 13th, 2010
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

(CNN) - The White House is weighing in on the recent call from some top Republicans to change a potion of the constitution that grants automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants born in the United States, calling the suggestion "just wrong."

"I am surprised, to say the least, that discussion is being had about amending the United States Constitution before we even get to the table on amending the statutes that actually carry out immigration policy," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told reporters Friday. "I think that's where the action needs to be. And any talk of amending the Constitution is just wrong."

Napolitano's comments come in response to suggestions from several leading GOP senators, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, 2008 presidential nominee John McCain, and Lindsay Graham that the part of the 14th Amendment which allows for birthright citizenship should be studied more closely.

"I'm looking at the laws that exist and see if it makes sense today," Graham said on Fox News last week. "You've got the other problem, where thousands of people are coming across the Arizona/Texas border for the express purpose of having a child in an American hospital so that child will become an American citizen, and they broke the law to get there."

McConnell and McCain have both called for congressional hearings into the subject.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs also made clear Friday President Obama is against any moves to alter the provision.

"The president and Secretary Napolitano agree on this," said Gibbs. "The 14th Amendment enshrines - and has for more than 150 years - equal protection and due process, two things that we don't think need to be tampered with."

"It is always interesting…that those that have, with steadfast fidelity, talked about not tampering with our Constitution, have now swerved to pick the 14th Amendment as the best place to address comprehensive immigration reform," added Gibbs. "It is - it's rich in its irony."

The Reconstruction-era 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection of law and defines who is a U.S. citizen. Critics of illegal immigration have long accused migrants – particularly those coming from Mexico or Latin American countries – of giving birth to children in the United States in hopes that their babies' citizenship will keep them in the country as well as to avail their children of the more generous benefits of the wealthier United States.

The amendment has been cited as the foundation of U.S. civil rights law in cases ranging from Brown v. Board of Education to last week's decision that struck down a ban on same-sex marriage in California. Changing it would require a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress and the approval of three-quarters of state legislatures.

According to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll out Wednesday, 49 percent of Americans are in favor of changing the relevant portion of the 14th Amendment while 51 percent oppose doing so.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/13/white-house-14th-amendment-change-just-wrong/#more-117803

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2010, 01:07:43 PM »
I listened to a discussion last night where an Arizona state senator said the number of births is double what this study says.  Some staggering figures. 

Births to Illegal Immigrants Are Studied
By JULIA PRESTON
Published: August 11, 2010

Because they were born in this country, the babies of illegal immigrants are United States citizens. In all in 2008, four million children who were American citizens had at least one parent who was in the country illegally, the Pew study found.

Children of illegal immigrants make up 7 percent of all people in the country younger than 18 years old, according to the study, which is based on March 2009 census figures, the most recent data on immigrant families. Nearly four out of five of those children — 79 percent — are American citizens because they were born here.

About 85 percent of the parents who are illegal immigrants are Hispanic, the Pew Center said.

The study comes as lawmakers in Washington have been debating whether to consider changing the 14th Amendment, which grants citizenship to anyone born in the United States. The controversy began after Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said in July that he might offer an amendment to revoke birthright citizenship for the American-born children of illegal immigrants.

Mr. Graham’s comments touched a nerve with many Americans, who called in to talk shows to question whether the children of immigrants who have violated the law by remaining in the United States should be granted citizenship. But it was less clear that there was strong support for altering the Constitution to address the problem.

A nationwide survey in June by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, a group affiliated with the Hispanic Center, found that 56 percent of those polled opposed changing the 14th Amendment, while 41 percent supported it.

The study by the Pew Hispanic Center casts light on an issue raised by Mr. Graham that prompted the current debate. In an interview with Fox News last month, he said that many illegal immigrants were crossing the border to have babies in this country to gain citizenship for their children. “They come here to drop a child,” Mr. Graham said.

The Pew figures show that most illegal immigrant mothers did not arrive recently.

More than 80 percent of mothers in the country illegally had been here for more than a year, the figures show, and more than half had been in the country for five years or more, said Jeffrey S. Passel, senior demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center and the co-author of the study, along with Paul Taylor, the center’s director.

“The combination of the growing undocumented population through 2007, with more staying in the country longer, creates a situation where we have seen increasing numbers of these births over the last six or seven years,” Mr. Passel said. “Because the immigrants are staying here, this is a young population, and they get married and form families.”

Some researchers noted that the Pew figures did not identify families where both parents were illegal immigrants. “If anything, the Pew report highlights how complicated this issue is, given that so many unauthorized immigrants live in families that include U.S. citizens and legal immigrants,” said Michele Waslin, senior policy analyst for the Immigration Policy Center, a group that supports legalization for illegal immigrants.

Republican leaders and conservatives have been divided over Mr. Graham’s proposal for a constitutional amendment.

“What the Pew estimate underlines is that this is a big problem,” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a research group that advocates reduced immigration. “It really is a subversion of national independence for people who break into your country then to demand that their kids be U.S. citizens.”

But Mr. Krikorian does not favor an immediate effort to amend the Constitution’s citizenship clause. He said he wanted to see tougher enforcement to reduce the number of illegal immigrants.

“The point is to shrink the illegal population and prevent new illegals from coming in,” he said, “before it’s appropriate to have the constitutional debate.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/us/12babies.html

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2010, 05:49:00 PM »
McCain Says He Doesn't Back 14th Amendment Change
Friday, 13 Aug 2010

Sen. John McCain says he does not support changing the Constitution to end automatic citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants.

The Republican Arizona senator told The Associated Press that despite the current flurry of news stories on the topic and a statement he made last week that was widely interpreted as saying he supported hearings on the matter, he remains unconvinced that such a change is needed.

Instead, he argued that fully securing the border would "dramatically reduce" the problem.

McCain says he's not calling for hearings on the matter, but will listen to a debate if one is held. But he says he is fundamentally in favor of leaving the Constitution as it is.

McCain is facing a tough campaign against former U.S. Rep. J.D. Hayworth ahead of Arizona's Aug. 24 primary.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Birthright-Citizenship-McCain/2010/08/13/id/367456

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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2010, 11:50:02 AM »
Most in US Oppose Citizenship for Illegals' Kids
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Most Americans still oppose granting U.S. citizenship automatically to children born in America to illegal immigrants.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of U.S. Adults finds that 58% oppose automatic citizenship for a child born in this country to an illegal immigrant. That number has not changed since early June. A third of adults (34%) believe those children should become U.S. citizens.

Sentiments are basically unchanged from four years ago when the Senate was considering the immigration issue. The Senate was eventually forced to drop its plans and surrender to public opinion on the topic.

But 64% now believe illegal immigrants' children who serve two years in the U.S. military should be granted citizenship. One-in-four adults (25%) say those children should not be granted citizenship.

These numbers show slightly stronger support than results found in October 2007.

Voters have said consistently for years that when it comes to immigration reform, gaining control of the border is more important than legalizing the status of undocumented workers already living in the United States.

The survey of 1,000 Adults was conducted on August 10-11, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

In Arizona, where legislators recently passed a strict immigration enforcement law and are considering a law refusing to give birth certificates to children born to illegal immigrants in the state, 64% agree that those children should not automatically become U.S. citizens.

Only 28% of adults believe illegal immigrants' children who finish two years of college in the United States should be granted citizenship. Fifty-six percent (56%) disagree with that practice, while another 16% are not sure.

In fact, 63% of adults believe granting citizenship to the children of illegals who attend two years of college would encourage more people to enter the country illegally. Only 23% disagree with that view, and 14% more are not sure.

Americans are more evenly divided when it comes to the impact of granting citizenship to those who provide military service. While 41% say legalizing those children of illegal aliens who serve two years in the military would encourage more illegal immigration, 41% disagree. Eighteen percent (18%) are undecided.

Women are slightly more supportive than men of granting citizenship to children of illegal immigrants. Both men and women are equally supportive of allowing those children who serve in the U.S. military to be citizens.

Republicans and voters not affiliated with either major political party strongly oppose giving automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, while Democrats are evenly divided. Still, a majority of adults from all party affiliations support citizenship for those who provide military service.

Most voters believe that the availability of government money and services draws illegal immigrants to the United States.

Fifty-four percent (54%) say the Justice Department should take legal action against cities that provide sanctuary for illegal immigrants. But 56% disagree with the Justice Department's decision to challenge Arizona's new law in federal court.

Despite a judge’s ruling putting key provisions of Arizona’s law on hold, most voters still favor passage of such a law in their own state.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Citizenship-Illegals-children--poll/2010/08/13/id/367435

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2010, 09:33:59 PM »
Lawmakers in 14 States Craft Bill to Deny Citizenship to 'Anchor Babies'
Published October 19, 2010 | Associated Press

PHOENIX -- Lawmakers in at least 14 states announced Tuesday they are working on legislation to deny U.S. citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, although they weren't specific about how they plan to do it.

Arizona Sen. Russell Pearce said he and the lawmakers have a working draft of their model legislation and have consulted constitutional scholars to change the 14th Amendment and deny automatic citizenship.

"This is a battle of epic proportions," Pearce said Tuesday during a news conference at the Arizona Capitol. "We've allowed the hijacking of the 14th Amendment."

Pearce declined to say how the legislation will differ from similar measures that have been introduced in each two-year congressional session since 2005. None of them made it out of committee.

He and another Arizona lawmaker did argue that wording in the amendment that guarantees citizenship to people born in the U.S. who are "subject to the jurisdiction" of this country does not apply to the children of illegal immigrants because such families don't owe sole allegiance to the U.S.

The efforts by Pearce and the other lawmakers come amid calls to change the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment. Supporters cite costs to taxpayers for services provided to illegal immigrants and their children.

Constitutional changes require approval by two-thirds majorities in both chambers of Congress, an impossibility now because Democrats have the majority in both houses and most oppose such a measure. Even if Republicans gain power in November and legislation is passed, an amendment would still need to be ratified by three-fourths of the states.

Paul Bender, a constitutional law professor at Arizona State University, said if the lawmakers focus their argument on the "subject to jurisdiction" wording, they won't get very far because the founders only meant it to apply to the children of foreign diplomats born in the U.S.

"If the British ambassador and his wife have a child in the U.S., that child is not a citizen because he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. We cannot put him in jail, we cannot even give him a parking ticket," Bender said.

The 14th Amendment "could have easily have said you're a citizen if you owe your allegiance, but our Constitution doesn't say that," he said. "It says if you're born here, and you're not a diplomat's child, then you become a citizen, and that's the way its been for 100 years."

Carlos Galindo-Elvira, vice president of Valle del Sol, a Phoenix group that provides social services to community members and advocates for immigrants, said Pearce's interpretation of the amendment is an effort to "legitimize bullying babies."

He also questioned why lawmakers would focus on this issue rather than the country's economic woes and high unemployment rate. "All it does is split the country," he said.

Pennsylvania state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, the founder of a national group of legislators critical of illegal immigration, said the 14th Amendment "greatly incentives foreign invaders to violate our border and our laws." He had a news conference Tuesday in Harrisburg, Pa., on the multistate endeavor.

The effort could run afoul of the language in the 14th Amendment and lead to a court battle over the constitutionality of the law. But Metcalfe said providing birthright citizenship to children of illegal immigrants is an "ongoing distortion and twisting" of the amendment.

Metcalfe's office said lawmakers in at least 12 other states besides Arizona and Pennsylvania said they were making their own announcements about working on the citizenship legislation. Those other states: Alabama, Delaware, Idaho, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

Pearce was the main sponsor of a tough new Arizona law that would require police enforcing other laws to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the U.S. illegally. It was to go into effect this summer, but a judge put on hold key provisions pending the resolution of a legal challenge.

Pearce also was the chief sponsor of a 2007 state law targeting employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the 2010 law and who is championing the state's legal defense of it against a court challenge mounted by the U.S. Justice Department, was noncommittal when asked whether lawmakers should approve legislation on citizenship.

However, Brewer said she was "always concerned" by the possibility of involving the state in a court fight. "No one wants to be in court. No one wants to be fighting the federal government," she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/19/lawmakers-states-craft-deny-citizenship-anchor-babies/

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2010, 07:53:21 AM »
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2010, 08:52:35 AM »
Nothing will get done so long as Obama is president, but should be another 2012 issue. 

'Anchor Baby' Constitutional Amendment to Face Scrutiny in Congress
Published December 26, 2010
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Dec. 18, 2010: College student Jorge Herrera, 18, an illegal immigrant, rallies with students and Dream Act supporters in Los Angeles. Legislation is expected in the new Congress that would target not only children brought to the U.S. by illegal immigrants but children of illegals born here.
WASHINGTON -- The end of the year means a turnover of House control from Democratic to Republican and, with it, Congress' approach to immigration.

In a matter of weeks, Congress will go from trying to help young, illegal immigrants become legal to debating whether children born to parents who are in the country illegally should continue to enjoy automatic U.S. citizenship.

Such a hardened approach -- and the rhetoric certain to accompany it -- should resonate with the GOP faithful who helped swing the House in Republicans' favor. But it also could further hurt the GOP in its endeavor to grab a large enough share of the growing Latino vote to win the White House and the Senate majority in 2012.

Legislation to test interpretations of the 14th Amendment as granting citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants will emerge early next session. That is likely to be followed by attempts to force employers to use a still-developing web system, dubbed E-Verify, to check that all of their employees are in the U.S. legally.

There could be proposed curbs on federal spending in cities that don't do enough to identify people who are in the country illegally and attempts to reduce the numbers of legal immigrants.

Democrats ended the year failing for a second time to win passage of the Dream Act, which would have given hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants a chance at legal status. House Republicans will try to fill the immigration reform vacuum left by Democrats with legislation designed to send illegal immigrants packing and deter others from trying to come to the U.S.

Democrats, who will still control the Senate, will be playing defense against harsh immigration enforcement measures, mindful of their need to keep on good footing with Hispanic voters. But a slimmer majority and an eye on 2012 may prevent Senate Democrats from bringing to the floor any sweeping immigration bill, or even a limited one that hints at providing legal status to people in the country illegally.
President Barack Obama could be a wild card.

He'll have at his disposal his veto power should a bill denying citizenship to children of illegal immigrants make it to his desk. But Obama also has made cracking down on employers a key part of his administration's immigration enforcement tactics.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/26/anchor-baby-constitutional-amendment-face-scrutiny-congress/?test=latestnews

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2010, 09:03:08 AM »
They should be called " anchor bombs "  if anything. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2011, 04:05:57 PM »
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House Republicans Introduce Bill to Repeal Birthright Citizenship Amendment
Published January 06, 2011
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Jan. 6, 2011: Republican Iowa Rep. Steve King, left, with Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich. testifies before the House Rules Committee.

Four Republican lawmakers introduced legislation Thursday that would end automatic granting of American citizenship to children born in the United States to illegal immigrants, arguing "birthright citizenship" is an incentive for illegals to race for the U.S. border.

Reps. Steve King of Iowa, George Miller of California and Rob Woodall and Phil Gingrey, both of Georgia, said the current practice of extending U.S. citizenship to so-called "anchor babies" is a "misapplication" of the Constitution's 14th Amendment.

"Passage of this bill will ensure that immigration law breakers are not rewarded, will close the door to future waves of extended family chain migration, and will help to bring an end to the global 'birth tourism' industry," King said.

Miller added that granting birthright citizenship to children of illegal immigrants "rewards those that have recklessly broken our nation's immigration laws, and costs American taxpayers billions annually."
The move by the U.S. representatives coincides with legislation being introduced in several states aimed at finding a way to challenge birthright citizenship as well as crack down on illegals through other measures.

But civil liberties advocates say punishing the child for the sins of the parent does nothing to address illegal immigration, and critics of the Republican effort call it impractical, immoral and inflammatory.
"These thoughtless and unnecessary proposals take our country in the wrong direction, away from inclusion and our other core American values," Janet Murguia, president and CEO of the National Council of La Raza. "The citizenship clause is a bedrock principle of civil rights and part of what makes us all Americans. Never in our nation's history have we amended the Constitution to take away someone's rights, and we should not do so now."

Automatic citizenship is enshrined in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which was read on the House floor on Thursday. The provision, ratified in 1868, was drafted with freed slaves in mind.
Several state lawmakers operating under the group State Legislators for Legal Immigration met in Washington this week to discuss a legal challenge that would force the U.S. Supreme Court to rule on whether the 14th Amendment of the Constitution guarantees citizenship to children born in the U.S. to illegal residents.

The lawmakers want states to adopt a bill that would bestow state citizenship on people who meet the state's definition of a U.S. citizen and are state residents. They also want states to agree to a compact that defines who is eligible for U.S. citizenship.

The lawmakers say Congress must approve the compact but it does not require the president's signature.

The House legislation would amend Section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth. Technically, it would not overturn the 14th Amendment, which would require three-quarters of states to ratify a joint resolution of Congress.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/06/house-republicans-introduce-repeal-birthright-citizenship-amendment/

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2011, 02:23:00 PM »
Is the next immigration fight over 'anchor babies'?
By Ed Hornick, CNN
April 28, 2011

Washington (CNN) -- While the nation's political dialogue was hijacked over the issue of President Obama's birthplace, bubbling below the surface is the fact that a child of illegal immigrants born in the United States -- derided by some as "anchor babies" -- could one day be president.

Under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

So under the law, children of illegal immigrants born on U.S. soil are automatically granted citizenship. It's a point backed up by the U.S. State Department and the Department of Homeland Security. However, some critics, such as U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Richard Posner, have questioned whether those children are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S.

Stoking the larger debate is the fact that under the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, those children may sponsor other family members for entry into the U.S. when they reach age 21.

Critics say they, in turn, anchor family members outside the U.S. on American soil, creating an end-run for illegal immigration.

The issue is not a new one. In 1993, Sen. Harry Reid, who is now the Senate majority leader, blasted the rise in what amounts to legal illegal immigration because of the stress it places on the system.

"If you break our laws by entering this country without permission and give birth to a child, we reward that child with U.S. citizenship and guarantee a full access to all public and social services this society provides. And that's a lot of services," he said.

That position has been recently taken up by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, among others in Congress.

And state governments are taking matters into their own hands.

In February, Arizona state Sen. Ron Gould, a Republican, pushed for a bill that would ban U.S. citizenship for these babies. The proposal was later rejected.
I think most of the legal and constitutional scholars who have spoken on the issue have said the Constitution is clear on the issue of citizenship.
--Clarissa Martinez de Castro, National Council of La Raza

In January, a group known as the State Legislators for Legal Immigration proposed a legislative "fix" to prevent these babies from being citizens. The coalition of lawmakers from 40 states says the 14th Amendment has been wrongly applied to those born purposefully on U.S. soil to gain American citizenship.

The National Council of La Raza, the largest national Latino civil rights and advocacy organization in the U.S., is lashing out against recent attempts in several states to change the 14th Amendment because of anchor babies.

And the group has the backing of the American public, according to a 2010 nationwide poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. A majority of Americans -- 56% -- opposed changing the 14th Amendment; 41% favored changing it.

Clarissa Martinez de Castro, director of immigration and national campaigns for the National Council of La Raza, says opponents want to take their cause all the way to the Supreme Court.

"Even the state legislators who announced they were trying to push this measure and tinkering with the 14th Amendment acknowledge that what they're seeking is a lawsuit and to take this to the court," she said. "I think most of the legal and constitutional scholars who have spoken on the issue have said the Constitution is clear on the issue of citizenship."

Martinez de Castro said that if advocates want to change the nation's immigration policy, they should fix it rather than tinker with the Constitution.

Jon Feere, a policy expert with the nonpartisan Center for Immigration, agrees.

Feere said that even if the wording of the amendment is changed so children born to illegal immigrants are not granted U.S. citizenship, "you're still going to end up with illegal immigration and illegal immigrants having children in the U.S."

"The result of that is we have an influx of illegal immigration," he said. "So I think a lot of people feel that our immigration and citizenship system is controlled by immigrants rather than citizens, because when you think about it -- 'Who is a U.S. citizen? What will our future look like?' -- The (babies) are the ones who decide."

The American Resistance organization says "the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently freed slaves."

The group, which describes itself as "a coalition of immigration crime fighters opposing illegal and undocumented immigration," said that the intent of the amendment "was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense."

According to a Pew Hispanic Center study released in late 2010, 79% of the 5.1 million children of unauthorized immigrants were born in the U.S.

Almost one of four children born in the U.S. in 2008 had parents who were immigrants, the study also found. Of those, 16% of the parents were legal immigrants and 8% were in the U.S. without proper documentation.

In addition, more than three-fourths of all unauthorized immigrants in the United States in March 2009 were Latinos, the study said. And nearly one of every four children under age 18 in the nation was Hispanic. That trend is likely to continue, the study found.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/28/anchor.baby/index.html?hpt=C2

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2011, 03:14:20 PM »
An amazing list of shithole countries. Canada had the same problem with the chinese in the 70's and they changed their laws. No more anchor babies....ur come here illegally and you go to processing camp and then get deported..and we bill you shitty country for the costs.
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2014, 07:10:46 PM »
Well I'd say this issue is dead.  Not surprised at all. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
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EXPERT: UP TO 400K CHILDREN BORN TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN U.S. ANNUALLY, ONE IN 10 BIRTHS
by CAROLINE MAY
29 Apr 201560

Up to 400K Children Born To Illegal Immigrants in U.S. Annually, One In 10 Births
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Approximately 350,000 to 400,000 children are born to illegal immigrants in the U.S. each year. Due to current policy, all automatically become U.S. citizens, Center for Immigration Studies legal policy analyst Jon Feere testified before a House panel Wednesday.

“To put this in perspective this means that one out of 10 births in the U.S. is to an illegal immigrant mother,” Freere said at a House Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security hearing titled “Birthright Citizenship: Is It The Right Policy For America?”

He explained that, regardless of the foreign allegiance and/or illegal status of the parents, their children, if born on U.S. soil, are automatically afforded the benefits of U.S. citizenship, including a Social Security Number and U.S. passports. This benefit also applies, he noted, to those born to mere tourists and other people with temporary status in the U.S.

“It is unlikely that Congress intended such a broad application of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause, and the Supreme Court has only held that children born to citizens or permanently domiciled immigrants must be considered U.S. citizens at birth. Some clarity from Congress would be helpful in resolving this ongoing debate,” Feere said.

Feere further testified that the number of children in the U.S. with illegal immigrant parents increased from 2.7 million in 2003 to 4.5 million in 2010 and noted that the birthright policy is intrinsically linked to some of President Obama’s executive amnesties.

“Under the immigration enforcement priorities of the Obama administration, illegal immigrants who give birth to U.S. citizens have become low priorities for deportation. Furthermore, the president’s DAPA program, the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents program, currently held up in court would provide benefits to illegal immigrants who gave birth here and allow them to ‘stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation.’ The broad interpretation of the Citizenship Clause forms the basis for these policies,” he said.

The CIS expert highlighted other implications of birthright citizenship, such as birth tourism, where pregnant foreigners come to the U.S. simply to have a child with a U.S. passport.

“Birth tourism is becoming much more common with every passing year and Congress will have to address it,” Feere said.

Feere also testified that the many countries that once had birth-right policies have shifted away from them.

“The United States and Canada are the only two advanced economies as rated by the IMF to grant automatic citizenship to children of illegal aliens,” he said.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/29/expert-up-to-400k-children-born-to-illegal-immigrants-in-u-s-annually-one-in-10-births/