Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status

[Soul Crusher]

Sounds like your little plunger incident had a huge effect on you.      

[tonymctones]

LMAO again anybody who thinks that simply stopping employers from hiring them will stop illegals from coming is not informed.

what about those who dont work? what if you dont know where they work?

so youre ok with someone who has no guidelines reporting illegals as opposed to those who have guidelines?

[240 is Back]

have a seat on the curb, sheep

We'll be around to shear you in a few hours.  Do your patriotic duty and STFU while Team Obama rapes you.

[240 is Back]

333386, it's because I'm an American who loves and respects his freedoms.

Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither

Maybe you're okay with being seated, cuffed, and ID'd when you did nothing wrong.  Maybe it'll happen once a year, maybe ten times a day.  Doesn't matter.  You're right and Ben Franklin is wrong, I guess.

[Soul Crusher]

We need to end the anchor bomb situation to where these people can pop out kids that entitle these people to taxpayer funded benes. 

[240 is Back]

of course we do - but we need to do it without wasting time and destroying liberties of legal americans.  There are a lot of things we can do before resorting to this.

What do repubs think of this bill?

Mccain likes the bill but he's not sure if all of is is legal.
Tancredo: "Ppl will be pulled over because they look like they should be pulled over"

The 'show me your papers law'.

[tonymctones]

have a seat on the curb, sheep

We'll be around to shear you in a few hours.  Do your patriotic duty and STFU while Team Obama rapes you.

LOL way to address they issues I put forth 

[240 is Back]

tony - nobody's rights get violated if INS questions an employer, asks to see their paperwork on file, etc.

if the tips are found without ground, that 'source' will be discounted as ineffective.  But you show a few dozen in each city getting kicked out on CNN, and the massive fines - and MANY employers will drop their illegals.

[tonymctones]

of course we do - but we need to do it without wasting time and destroying liberties of legal americans.  There are a lot of things we can do before resorting to this.

What do repubs think of this bill?

Mccain likes the bill but he's not sure if all of is is legal.
Tancredo: "Ppl will be pulled over because they look like they should be pulled over"

The 'show me your papers law'.

Would you be ok with them checking if they were investigating another crime?

[tonymctones]

tony - nobody's rights get violated if INS questions an employer, asks to see their paperwork on file, etc.

if the tips are found without ground, that 'source' will be discounted as ineffective.  But you show a few dozen in each city getting kicked out on CNN, and the massive fines - and MANY employers will drop their illegals.

what if you dont know where they work? what if they dont work?

youd still have your civil liberties violated by your standards but with your plan it would be at the whim of a private citizen instead of a public citizen who could be held accountable...

simply stopping work WILL NOT ELIMINATE ILLEGALS!!!!!!!!!! get that through your head............

[240 is Back]

Yes - if you honestly break the law - run their damn papers.

HOWEVER - if you have been listening to the REPUBS coming fwd with questions about the legality of this... well...  

My whole point is that any cop can stop any citizen and demand papers if he "feels" the person needs checked.  That is some bullshit.  if one minute of any american's life is wasted in cuffs because some jackass cop decides to fvck with them - that is unacceptable in America.

[240 is Back]

we disagree Tony -

I believe if you dry up the work, a decent % of them will LEAVE!

Then the rest will be less of a strain on the system, will stand out like a sore thumb, and then we can address the non-working illegals.  At the very least, there will be a lot of jobs suddenly avaiable for LEGAL AMERICANS.

[tonymctones]

we disagree Tony -

I believe if you dry up the work, a decent % of them will LEAVE!

Then the rest will be less of a strain on the system, will stand out like a sore thumb, and then we can address the non-working illegals.  At the very least, there will be a lot of jobs suddenly avaiable for LEGAL AMERICANS.

ok well first off you have to understand that we will NEVER, NEVER be able to stop everyone from hiring illegals so there will ALWAYS be work for them how much is the question...

second they will still come over again better to be homeless in the US than homeless in mexico...

how will the others stand out like sore thumbs?

[240 is Back]

if you completely destroy 1 business per day - decimate them with $10k fines for every single illegal they knowingly hired...

and you plaster it all over the news...

You'll have enough housewives telling their man "we're going to lose our business... just hire some legal guys".

I mean, "To catch a predator" only busted probably 70 or 80 pedophiles total - but they scared a million into leaving kids alone.

Second - they may find some work in Mex - many will leave.  Not all.  But many will.  You drop the 15 mil current number to 10 mil and you've accomplished more than any president in history!

Then, you look at the remaining 10 mil and you think about what to try next.  Prosecute some drug users harder, and the drug trade shrinks - this sends another million home. 

letting police 'gaffle' any mofo they please is going to lead to a shitload of lawsuits, and the results could be... drum roll... illegals MUCH MORE ready to pull a gun on a cop.

I'd rather do it peacefully - dry up the $ and a lot of them leave

[tonymctones]

if you completely destroy 1 business per day - decimate them with $10k fines for every single illegal they knowingly hired...

and you plaster it all over the news...

You'll have enough housewives telling their man "we're going to lose our business... just hire some legal guys".

I mean, "To catch a predator" only busted probably 70 or 80 pedophiles total - but they scared a million into leaving kids alone.

Second - they may find some work in Mex - many will leave.  Not all.  But many will.  You drop the 15 mil current number to 10 mil and you've accomplished more than any president in history!

Then, you look at the remaining 10 mil and you think about what to try next.  Prosecute some drug users harder, and the drug trade shrinks - this sends another million home. 

letting police 'gaffle' any mofo they please is going to lead to a shitload of lawsuits, and the results could be... drum roll... illegals MUCH MORE ready to pull a gun on a cop.

I'd rather do it peacefully - dry up the $ and a lot of them leave

LOL and by the tim eyou get that step by step system to eliminate half the illegal population it will be 2050 and there will be enough descendants of illegals born in this country to change the law...

your being niave 240, police gaffle any mofo they choose to now, we dont even know the standards by which this law is to be enforced so why not wait to see that before condeming it?

you think your way will not result in illegals more willing to pull guns? again niave

[240 is Back]

hey, maybe your way of gaffling illegals on the streets of phoenix at 1 AM won't result in them pulling guns.

It'll be all the landscapers and dishwashers pulling out glocks.  Gotcha!

[tonymctones]

hey, maybe your way of gaffling illegals on the streets of phoenix at 1 AM won't result in them pulling guns.

It'll be all the landscapers and dishwashers pulling out glocks.  Gotcha!

LOL face it brain child when you start trying to deport them some will fight back doesnt matter if its done your way or mine 

[24KT]

No, but you and I shouldn't have to keep our immigration status on us and neither should anybody else.  This law potentially opens a box that will never be closed.  In New York are you supposed to have your ID on you at all times?  Some states you are already required to do so in case you are stopped by police for whatever reason...I have issues with that myself.  

In total agreement with you here. The truly disgusting part is many people are so blind to the abuse of others.

The hypocrisy & myopia are rampant. Some people have no problems with the rights of "others" being violated, and can't figure out that it's only a matter of time til these abuses & violations are directed towards them. By then, it's too late. People like 333 have a nerve complaining about Obama or the government in any way when he himself supports routine violations of 4th amendment rights. Anyone who can't or won't stand up for your constitution, doesn't deserve the protections it provides. Find another way to tackle illegal immigration other then widescale violations of the 4th amendment.

[Soul Crusher]

GMAFB Jag.  They simply codified an existing Federal Law. 

These bums have lost their rights to anonimity in the USA when they ILLEGALLY ENTERED the country. 

[24KT]

GMAFB Jag.  They simply codified an existing Federal Law. 

These bums have lost their rights to anonimity in the USA when they ILLEGALLY ENTERED the country. 

What did American citizens and legal residents do to lose their rights?

[Soul Crusher]

Stop making shit up.  You dont live in one of these areas these invaders have plundered and destroyed. 

You and your ilk are utterly clueless as to the countless scams, schemes, id offences, drug dealing, people dealing, and ridiculous amount of crimes these people commit.

If a cop stops one of these invaders in the course of a routine traffic stop, drug arrest, or otherwise, why shouldnt he be allowed to ascertain the immigration status? 

[loco]

There are plenty of illegal immigrants who are white and speak English.  How many here really believe that cops will be asking these people for proof of legal US residency?    

On the other hand, there are plenty of non-white, native born American citizens and Naturalized American citizens who speak English with a foreign accent.  What happens when cops ask these people, and they will ask, for proof of legal US residency?  What are these American citizens going to do?

Then again, this new law is music to an attorney's ears and good news to brown American citizens.  Just wait and see all the lawsuits and settlements that will come out of enforcing this new law.    

[240 is Back]

Bill Kristol said on FOX sunday that there will be some legal americans who will be forced to ID themselves against their will. 

[Soul Crusher]

And guess what happens when you get busted for a dwi w no I'd on you. 

[loco]

And guess what happens when you get busted for a dwi w no I'd on you.  

And what happens when an American citizen in Arizona who happens to look Mexican gets pulled over for speeding, has his driver's license, but no proof of legal US residency?  What does he do when the cop demands proof?