Text of Arizona’s Anti-Illegal Immigration Law

[loco]

B.  For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.  Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released.  The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). 

Who defines what "reasonable suspicion" is?

A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. 

So a cop may not "solely" consider race, color or national origin, but he may consider them as long as it is not the only thing considered.   

It's so great and so much better to be white in the USA!

[dario73]

Do you cry and bitch this much when Guatemalans are deported from Mexico?

Did you ever raise your concern that the Mexican authorities might exile one of their citizens to Guatemala, Colombia or Ecuador?

How come it's fine for every other nation to enforce their immigration laws but not ok for USA to do it?

You are so stupid is not even funny anymore. Are white people the only legal citizens in the USA? This law is only looking out only for whites? Is that what you believe?  I am not white and I am a legal citizen of this country. And I hope American politicians grow some balls and return every wetback to their rightful nation.

Like Mark Levin says, "Get the hell out of my country, you idiot!"

Send all illegals back. Only a paranoid illegal would make the arguement you are making. This law must hit close to home. I don't have to even guess. I know you are affected by it because you or someone you know is a criminal.

[Hugo Chavez]

Do you cry and bitch this much when Guatemalans are deported from Mexico?

Did you ever raise your concern that the Mexican authorities might exile one of their citizens to Guatemala, Colombia or Ecuador?

How come it's fine for every other nation to enforce their immigration laws but not ok for USA to do it?

You are so stupid is not even funny anymore. Are white people the only legal citizens in the USA? This law is only looking out only for whites? Is that what you believe?  I am not white and I am a legal citizen of this country. And I hope American politicians grow some balls and return every wetback to their rightful nation.

Like Mark Levin says, "Get the hell out of my country, you idiot!"

Send all illegals back. Only a paranoid illegal would make the arguement you are making. This law must hit close to home. I don't have to even guess. I know you are affected by it because you or someone you know is a criminal.

loco is from Venezuela and he hates Hugo Chavez so cut him some slack   You have something in common.

[loco]

loco is from Venezuela and he hates Hugo Chavez so cut him some slack   You have something in common.

Thanks Hugo!  Just to clarify, I don't hate anybody, not even Hugo Chavez.  I just don't like him as president and I think after 11 years in office, he should step down and give somebody else a chance.   

[loco]

Do you cry and bitch this much when Guatemalans are deported from Mexico?

Did you ever raise your concern that the Mexican authorities might exile one of their citizens to Guatemala, Colombia or Ecuador?

How come it's fine for every other nation to enforce their immigration laws but not ok for USA to do it?

Didn't I tell you already that I believe illegal immigration should be illegal?  Or do you have trouble reading?

You are so stupid is not even funny anymore. Are white people the only legal citizens in the USA? This law is only looking out only for whites? Is that what you believe?  I am not white and I am a legal citizen of this country. And I hope American politicians grow some balls and return every wetback to their rightful nation.

No, it was a sarcastic comment.  And I did not say that white people are better.  I said being white in the USA is clearly better.    

Like Mark Levin says, "Get the hell out of my country, you idiot!"

Venezuela is your country?  And no, I do not have family or friends in the US that are there illegally.

Send all illegals back. Only a paranoid illegal would make the arguement you are making. This law must hit close to home. I don't have to even guess. I know you are affected by it because you or someone you know is a criminal.

You really believe with a law like this only a paranoid illegal would make arguments like the ones I'm making?  What about Latino American citizens who happen to "look" and "sound" like illegal immigrants?  Shouldn't they be paranoid too?

By the way, if you are not white, what are you if you don't mind me asking?  Are you African American?

[BM OUT]

Didn't I tell you already that I believe illegal immigration should be illegal?  Or do you have trouble reading?

No, it was a sarcastic comment.  And I did not say that white people are better.  I said being white in the USA is clearly better.    

Venezuela is your country?  And no, I do not have family or friends in the US that are there illegally.

You really believe with a law like this only a paranoid illegal would make arguments like the ones I'm making?  What about Latino American citizens who happen to "look" and "sound" like illegal immigrants?  Shouldn't they be paranoid too?

By the way, if you are not white, what are you if you don't mind me asking?  Are you African American?

Have you read the law?Its simply enforcing the federal laws on the book.The reason democrats oppose it is because they are scared it will lead to showing ID at polling booths and they will no longer be able to steal elections.

[loco]

Have you read the law?Its simply enforcing the federal laws on the book.The reason democrats oppose it is because they are scared it will lead to showing ID at polling booths and they will no longer be able to steal elections.

Yes, I have read the law.  See first post on this page.

[loco]

Only a paranoid illegal would make the arguement you are making. This law must hit close to home. I don't have to even guess. I know you are affected by it because you or someone you know is a criminal.

 

The law has also picked up its share of Republican critics: On MSNBC's "Morning Joe" today, host Joe Scarborough — a former GOP congressman from Florida  — said he thinks Hispanics in Arizona who are in the U.S. legally will be targeted. "That is un-American. It is unacceptable and it is un-American."

Marco Rubio, a Republican Senate candidate in Florida, said that requiring people to carry documentation is "not really something that Americans are comfortable with, the notion of a police state." And former Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado, a longtime crusader against illegal immigration, thinks the law goes too far. "I do not want people here, there in Arizona, pulled over because you look like should be pulled over," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812


dario73,
Are these people, making these arguments, paranoid illegals?  

[tonymctones]

The law has also picked up its share of Republican critics: On MSNBC's "Morning Joe" today, host Joe Scarborough — a former GOP congressman from Florida  — said he thinks Hispanics in Arizona who are in the U.S. legally will be targeted. "That is un-American. It is unacceptable and it is un-American."

Marco Rubio, a Republican Senate candidate in Florida, said that requiring people to carry documentation is "not really something that Americans are comfortable with, the notion of a police state." And former Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado, a longtime crusader against illegal immigration, thinks the law goes too far. "I do not want people here, there in Arizona, pulled over because you look like should be pulled over," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812


dario73,
Are these people, making these arguments, paranoid illegals?  

show us in the bill where it says ppl will be pulled over for looking mexican...I can show you where it says that cant happen, can you show me where it says it can?

[Soul Crusher]

Don't wait for an answer to that. 

[BM OUT]

show us in the bill where it says ppl will be pulled over for looking mexican...I can show you where it says that cant happen, can you show me where it says it can?

No!!Of course he cant!!Then he puts up a lib like Joe Scarborough who is the biggest sellout in the country.Then Marko Rubio who is running for the senate in Florida.The fact is the bill CLEARLY states what it wil do and it will stand up to challenges.

[loco]

show us in the bill where it says ppl will be pulled over for looking mexican...I can show you where it says that cant happen, can you show me where it says it can?

"Police can detain and demand papers from anyone they have "lawful contact" with, but since the law defines illegal immigrants as trespassing when in any part of the United States, this gives the police the freedom to question people who are otherwise not breaking the law or engaging in suspicious activity."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812

Isn't this true?

[Soul Crusher]

Its more hyperbole from the race hustlers. 

[loco]

No!!Of course he cant!!Then he puts up a lib like Joe Scarborough who is the biggest sellout in the country.Then Marko Rubio who is running for the senate in Florida.The fact is the bill CLEARLY states what it wil do and it will stand up to challenges.

Nevertheless, they make the arguments that, according to dario73, only paranoid illegals would make.

[loco]

Its more hyperbole from the race hustlers.  

It's more than enough reason for Latino American citizens to worry they'll get harassed by police, possibly getting detained and eventually even sent to Mexico.

[Skip8282]

"Police can detain and demand papers from anyone they have "lawful contact" with, but since the law defines illegal immigrants as trespassing when in any part of the United States, this gives the police the freedom to question people who are otherwise not breaking the law or engaging in suspicious activity."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812

Isn't this true?

No, it's not true, it's the opinion of that writer.  There's nothing in the law that gives the police justification to make a lawful contact if there is nobody breaking the law or any suspicious activity.

She's putting the cart before the horse, trying to claim that the police can just assume somebody may be tresspassing and that gives them reasonable suspicion to question.  It's hypothetical bullshit.

[240 is Back]

I think IF this bill ends up being abused by LEO, tancredo will be looking VERY good for 2012 nomination.

[loco]

No, it's not true, it's the opinion of that writer.  There's nothing in the law that gives the police justification to make a lawful contact if there is nobody breaking the law or any suspicious activity.

She's putting the cart before the horse, trying to claim that the police can just assume somebody may be tresspassing and that gives them reasonable suspicion to question.  It's hypothetical bullshit.

Doesn't the law define illegal immigrants as trespassing when in any part of the United States?

[Hugo Chavez]

Is it the law already, yes.  Is this only about enforcing the law?  Is that the only issue with this?  I'm not sure.  Ok, lets say someone gets pulled over for speeding.  While the cop has them pulled over he smells pot.  We'll I think everyone here knows what's going to happen next.  This car is getting searched and he's probably busted for more than speeding and we're all fine with that.  But let's change it up a bit.  Let's just say that the same cop is now driving around looking for people that look like what he imagines the type would be who smokes pot and then detaining them long enough for a search.  Am I missing something or does this not open the door up to all that kind of stuff?  Are there not other ways for a state to challenge the federal government on matters?  yup, many.  So why open this box.  If you don't think the cops take this in every other direction they can, hahaha...  I want illegal immigration dealt with like everyone else.  I'm just not sure we should shoot ourselves in the foot getting it done.  Maybe I'm wrong, just saying shit like this makes me wonder about what's next.

[Soul Crusher]

GMAFB.  I am of Italian American descent and know the deal all too well with the mafia in NYC and how we can be treated etc.  However, I also know that the actual mob posed a huge threat and and was a masdsive crime problem and have no problem with the fforts the govt took to stamp ourt the mob influence in a lot of areas.  

Its only the recent illegals and their apologists who refuse to deal with the crimials in their midst and resort to this hyperbolic bs when it is overwhelmingly illegals from south of the border committing ghastly crimes ranging from id theft to murder, etc.  

Screw these illegals and you know what?  Maybe if legal hispanics did not demand that we continue to favor lawless behavior it would never have gotten to this point.  Granted that is only part of it, but it plays a large role as well.      

[Skip8282]

Doesn't the law define illegal immigrants as trespassing when in any part of the United States?

And that has what to do with a cop making lawful contact?

You're trying to imply the cops are going to stop people based on looks alone, yet you can't back that up with anything.

[Soul Crusher]

These recent mofos' need to STFU and either go back home or assimilate and get with the fucking program. 

[loco]

And that has what to do with a cop making lawful contact?

You're trying to imply the cops are going to stop people based on looks alone, yet you can't back that up with anything.

Define "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion."

I'm not implying anything.  This law as is gives cops the freedom to make "lawful contact" with Latino American Citizens if the cops have "reasonable suspicion" that these Latinos are illegal immigrants and demand proof of legal US residence.  "Lawful contact" they can claim would be trespassing.

Again, define "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion."

[240 is Back]

this may end up being known as a RINO bill.


many of the true conservatives are against it.  Palin, Mccain - they're for it but they were also for amnesty.


Weird bill thus far.  Are yall saying tancredo and Kristol are WRONG and that this bill does not infringe on the rights of legal americans?

[Soul Crusher]

We have been over this many times and I already gave plenty of examples.