Police State - Official Thread

[Dos Equis]

For real?   Beach  - the why not just shoot everyone first?   

Because that would be murder. 

[Soul Crusher]

Why not?  If they suspect the person is armed, the police should do whatever they can to protect themselves. 

So if the cops execute a search warrant in the middle of the night in my house, of which i have no idea about, and I have my gun because I think my house is being broken in to since its the middle of the night, I should be killed?

Sorry beach, that is bullsit - this is where I really dont give a damn when police get lit up when these raids go wrong.    They bring it on themselves though these tactics yet they are so caught up in the culture of "bravest" bullshit which encourages his stuff.  

Again - these cops needs to take a lot more lessons in con law, crim pro, basic common sense, and less playing wannabe navy seal.  
  

[225for70]

Sorry - you signed up for the job.  You knew exactly what you were getting in to and "officer safety" IMHO is not nearly as important as the constitution and the presumption of innonence of people  

Again - "reports"  ? ? ?    By who?  

And if there were sufficient reports  to warrant an arrest, why not go for an arrest warrant and take the guy at work or in his car instead of playing Navy Seal?  

Bro - you may be a good cop, but you are like 99% i have ever met, you will defend  almost anything othe cops do, even when it means innocent people getting killed like this ex marine who did two tours in Iraq.  

 

     "Officer safety" should not mean people having to give up their rights just because the "bravest" all of a sudden can't deal with  

Great post..

[Soul Crusher]

Because that would be murder. 

Yeah - and in cases like this, and that guy with the golf club - that is exacty what happened.    

Lets say this guy thought the house was being broken in to and realized it was the cops at the last minute yet still had the AR15, do you honestly believe he still would have walked out of there alive?


Sorry - peoples' rights to be secure in their house are more important to me than the cops' navy seal act.  Its total bullshit and changing thenature of the society.

This is EXACTLY why the colonists started offing the red coats, and we will get there too before long unless these wannabes change their tactics.            

[Dos Equis]

So if the cops execute a search warrant in the middle of the night in my house, of which i have no idea about, and I have my gun because I think my house is being broken in to since its the middle of the night, I should be killed?

Sorry beach, that is bullsit - this is where I really dont give a damn when police get lit up when these raids go wrong.    They bring it on themselves though these tactics yet they are so caught up in the culture of "bravest" bullshit which encourages his stuff.  

Again - these cops needs to take a lot more lessons in con law, crim pro, basic common sense, and less playing wannabe navy seal.  
  

If cops execute a search warrant in the middle of the night at your home, identify themselves, and you point a gun at them, then yes you or anyone else who does so should be shot.

Not sure that is a realistic scenario, because I doubt most search warrants are carried out in the dead of night.  

[Dos Equis]

Yeah - and in cases like this, and that guy with the golf club - that is exacty what happened.    

Lets say this guy thought the house was being broken in to and realized it was the cops at the last minute yet still had the AR15, do you honestly believe he still would have walked out of there alive?


Sorry - peoples' rights to be secure in their house are more important to me than the cops' navy seal act.  Its total bullshit and changing thenature of the society.

This is EXACTLY why the colonists started offing the red coats, and we will get there too before long unless these wannabes change their tactics.            

Don't you need more information before concluding the police murdered the former Marine? 

Do you really believe this guy thought his house was being invaded when his wife saw the SWAT team and told them she had a baby?  This was broad daylight. 

The peoples' right to be secure in their homes is the reason why police ordinarily have to get a search warrant from a judge before entering someone's home.   

[Soul Crusher]

If cops execute a search warrant in the middle of the night at your home, identify themselves, and you point a gun at them, then yes you or anyone else who does so should be shot.

Not sure that is a realistic scenario, because I doubt most search warrants are carried out in the dead of night.  

Yeah cause at 2am and people screaming I can really ascertain what is going on.   

Did you read my story about the West Point grad who was killed at COSTCO?

Cops gave conflicting instructions and he was shot because he was folloing the instructions of one and the other shot him.   

Dude was totally innocent and the jackboots came blazing in like wild fire and killed him.   

There are way too many of these cases happening lately, and its not the fault of the public.     

[Dos Equis]

Yeah cause at 2am and people screaming I can really ascertain what is going on.   

Did you read my story about the West Point grad who was killed at COSTCO?

Cops gave conflicting instructions and he was shot because he was folloing the instructions of one and the other shot him.   

Dude was totally innocent and the jackboots came blazing in like wild fire and killed him.   

There are way too many of these cases happening lately, and its not the fault of the public.     

Did not see the story.  I'm not going to defend cops who engage in misconduct.  But I also will not say all or a majority of cops are bad, or we're in some police state, because a handful of cops break the law. 

You've mentioned the "animals" who live in or around your city a number of times.  How do you think law enforcement should deal with those folks? 

[Soul Crusher]

Don't you need more information before concluding the police murdered the former Marine? 

Do you really believe this guy thought his house was being invaded when his wife saw the SWAT team and told them she had a baby?  This was broad daylight. 

The peoples' right to be secure in their homes is the reason why police ordinarily have to get a search warrant from a judge before entering someone's home.   

What ih she was like "go downstairs and see what it is, I cant tell they have guns"   He goes downstairs with the gun ON SAFETY not knowing what it is, they see him through the glass with the gun and just light him up.  

Utter bullshit.  No uniformed officers, no squad cars, nothing.  

Again - why not call up the house and say they are there to conduct a search warrant?  oh god forbid some drugs get tossed in the toilet -oh the horror, lets instead conduct a delta force operation to "preserve" evidence, mind you in a house to where the owner has no history at all but some tickets, etc. 

Dont you see how nuts this is?     


  

[Soul Crusher]

Did not see the story.  I'm not going to defend cops who engage in misconduct.  But I also will not say all or a majority of cops are bad, or we're in some police state, because a handful of cops break the law. 

You've mentioned the "animals" who live in or around your city a number of times.  How do you think law enforcement should deal with those folks? 

According to the law, constiution, and presumption of innocence lik we are all afforded.   

Most cops are of the mind set that you are guilty until proven innocent.   

Another thing - cops are supposed to hand you the warrant for review and you let them in.   If the guy smashes the dor closes, then they go in. 

From what i can tell in the video - there was may 10 seconds at best of muddles yelling at the door before they bashed it in like gestapo jack booted thugs. 

[Deicide]

What ih she was like "go downstairs and see what it is, I cant tell they have guns"   He goes downstairs with the gun ON SAFETY not knowing what it is, they see him through the glass with the gun and just light him up.  

Utter bullshit.  No uniformed officers, no squad cars, nothing.  

Again - why not call up the house and say they are there to conduct a search warrant?  oh god forbid some drugs get tossed in the toilet -oh the horror, lets instead conduct a delta force operation to "preserve" evidence, mind you in a house to where the owner has no history at all but some tickets, etc. 

Dont you see how nuts this is?     


  

Beach Bum will defend the State and state authority no matter what. Just a fact.

[Dos Equis]

What ih she was like "go downstairs and see what it is, I cant tell they have guns"   He goes downstairs with the gun ON SAFETY not knowing what it is, they see him through the glass with the gun and just light him up.  

Utter bullshit.  No uniformed officers, no squad cars, nothing.  

Again - why not call up the house and say they are there to conduct a search warrant?  oh god forbid some drugs get tossed in the toilet -oh the horror, lets instead conduct a delta force operation to "preserve" evidence, mind you in a house to where the owner has no history at all but some tickets, etc. 

Dont you see how nuts this is?     


  

They were wearing clothes that said "SWAT."  The wife spoke to them.  I don't know all the facts, but based on what I've watched in the clips you posted, I find it hard to believe they didn't know SWAT was at the door.    

It doesn't matter if the guy had his rifle on safe.  The police don't know that.  It's unreasonable to require police to determine whether someone actually intends to fire a weapon if the weapon is being pointed at them.  I can't imagine their rules of engagement would require them to try and figure out whether a weapon is on safe.  

Don't you think it's reasonable to assume that someone holding a weapon in a firing position has every intention to fire the weapon?  

[Dos Equis]

Beach Bum will defend the State and state authority no matter what. Just a fact.

Decide will drop into a thread, make an unsupported absurd comment, and run away.  Just a fact.   

[Soul Crusher]

They were wearing clothes that said "SWAT."  The wife spoke to them.  I don't know all the facts, but based on what I've watched in the clips you posted, I find it hard to believe they didn't know SWAT was at the door.    

It doesn't matter if the guy had his rifle on safe.  The police don't know that.  It's unreasonable to require police to determine whether someone actually intends to fire a weapon if the weapon is being pointed at them.  I can't imagine their rules of engagement would require them to try and figure out whether a weapon is on safe.  

Don't you think it's reasonable to assume that someone holding a weapon in a firing position has every intention to fire the weapon?  

Again - they bashed the door down and started shooting after about 10 seconds.  There is no evidence he knew they were swat.  

He never fired a shot and they lied about that too, no to mention keeping EMT from him for an hour.  

By the way - whatever happened to "drop your weapon"        ? ? ?    

[Soul Crusher]

Wait.

What time of day was this?

You can see writing on things in pitch black darkness?

Didnt you watch the vid?   

[Soul Crusher]

I wish I were on this jury.   

[Soul Crusher]

[Soul Crusher]

Remember this gem? 

[Dos Equis]

Again - they bashed the door down and started shooting after about 10 seconds.  There is no evidence he knew they were swat.  

He never fired a shot and they lied about that too, no to mention keeping EMT from him for an hour.  

By the way - whatever happened to "drop your weapon"        ? ? ?    

That does not sound accurate to me.  The wife said she saw them, held up something telling them she had a child, then went and woke her husband up.  No way that happened in ten seconds.  The fact the wife saw SWAT and they were wearing clothes identifying them as SWAT makes it pretty obvious they knew it wasn't some home invasion. 

"Drop your weapon"?  Seriously?  Who says that outside of the movies?  I would think pointing the weapon is enough. 

[Soul Crusher]

That does not sound accurate to me.  The wife said she saw them, held up something telling them she had a child, then went and woke her husband up.  No way that happened in ten seconds.  The fact the wife saw SWAT and they were wearing clothes identifying them as SWAT makes it pretty obvious they knew it wasn't some home invasion. 

"Drop your weapon"?  Seriously?  Who says that outside of the movies?  I would think pointing the weapon is enough. 

Watch the video again.   

[Soul Crusher]

Another thing Beach - she clearly stated on the 911 phne call she had no idea who they were.  

And the cops are lying again here.    They are disgusting.  They have already been caught in about 5 lies so far   

 

[Soul Crusher]

She clearly says she did not know who shot him.  This disgusting vermin ketp EMT away for an hour. 

I hope each of them gets life.

[Dos Equis]

You should only fire your weapon if you or someone you know is in imminent danger.

It's why you can't shoot someone in the back.

You are in imminent danger when someone points a weapon at you.  

[Soul Crusher]

You are in imminent danger when someone points a weapon at you.  

Like the gestapo nazis who showed up at this innocent guys home?   

[Dos Equis]

Another thing Beach - she clearly stated on the 911 phne call she had no idea who they were.  

And the cops are lying again here.    They are disgusting.  They have already been caught in about 5 lies so far   

 

Why are you assuming she is telling the truth? 

She did say she told them she had a baby.  How could she talk to them and not know who they were?