The Coach how would a Republican president handle the oil spill differently?

[pellius]

Well, this differentiates you and others from Coach. Coach really does believe Obama is less than what he appears to be. I remember all the posts by Coach about Obama being unable to give a speech without a teleprompter. That nonsense went on for weeks. I do clearly remember in the 1st week following Obama's inauguration, Coach was incessantly going on about why Obama hadn't yet *fixed* the economy!? And I could go on, but what would be the point.

Now, Coach seems like a decent sort, and appears to be a noted trainer of athletes; but his using language he doesn't understand, or positing polemical or misleading/untrue points is just gonna get himself called out. Hell, around here it's like wearing a bullseye.  

You can be brilliant and not able to speak off the cuff effectively. That's a skill. Clinton was great at it. Obama not so much and more contrived. I don't think he really meant, I hope, that there is a point where someone can make too much money. I wonder how much that would be and what he thinks should be done about it? I wonder if Obama believes there ever is a point where the government has taken too much of our money. At least Gates became a billionaire because he's an insanely productive human being. He earned his money. The government just takes it.

[brooklynbruiser]

The BP disaster is partisan only in perception. The corporations presence and influence remain in gov regardless of the party in power.

Needless to say, this will be drummed into the US consciousness during the next election.

[dr.chimps]

You can be brilliant and not able to speak off the cuff effectively. That's a skill. Clinton was great at it. Obama not so much and more contrived. I don't think he really meant, I hope, that there is a point where someone can make too much money. I wonder how much that would be and what he thinks should be done about it? I wonder if Obama believes there ever is a point where the government has taken too much of our money. At least Gates became a billionaire because he's an insanely productive human being. He earned his money. The government just takes it.

Yeah, Clinton's got the gift and charisma, in spades. Obama, I think, is less contrived than very careful, which I think is part his lawyering, and part because he is the first Black President and so many people want him to fail because of it. Let's not forget he's a nerd, too. Those mom jeans. Oh brother.

Let's not forget that Obama is a politician and has lots of checks and balances to work with/against. Turning the ship of state is long, slow work and Presidents try to enact policies to effect change in the ensuing years/decades. Like putting forward Supreme Court nominees, who then have a nasty habit of not aligning themselves with the politics of said President. 

And Bill Gates was also timely, lucky, and a virtual monopolist. You know: the American way. 

[pellius]

Jesus was ultra liberal, wasn't he Coach?

Um, I believe Christ was pro life and he preached giving to the poor not giving to the government.

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

[pellius]

Yeah, Clinton's got the gift and charisma, in spades. Obama, I think, is less contrived than very careful, which I think is part his lawyering, and part because he is the first Black President and so many people want him to fail because of it. Let's not forget he's a nerd, too. Those mom jeans. Oh brother.

Let's not forget that Obama is a politician and has lots of checks and balances to work with/against. Turning the ship of state is long, slow work and Presidents try to enact policies to effect change in the ensuing years/decades. Like putting forward Supreme Court nominees, who then have a nasty habit of not aligning themselves with the politics of said President.  

And Bill Gates was also timely, lucky, and a virtual monopolist. You know: the American way.  

Couple of points. Fate and luck plays a role in everything in life. But that had little to do with Gates success. He was, or at least his henchmen, were ruthless businessmen and did created a virtual monopoly.WTH. I'd do the same thing if I could. But think how much he singlehanded grew the economy and made the world as a whole more prosperous both directly and indirectly.

And I'm sure some want Obama to fail because he's Black but that's a small irrelevant minority. Unlike Clinton, Obama won the majority of the vote. And if you know anything about White guilt in this country they bend over backwards for minorities and many non Blacks supported Obama in some measure because he is Black. All else being equal I myself would vote for a Black if no other reason than to show this is not a racist country. Not to say there's no racism in American. Of course there is. There's just very little institutionalized racism, i.e. public policy that specifically dictates that certain minorities are to be discriminated against.

It's just I would rather go with a Condeleeza Rice than an Obama for president.

[dr.chimps]

It's just I would rather go with a Condeleeza Rice than an Obama for president.

She'd be on my short list if I was looking for a new CEO, but probably last if I was looking for social policy changes. I'm on the fence about Obama. I think he's trying to do too much, or maybe has bitten off more than he can chew. Whereas I'd go with either a major foreign policy objective and one minor domestic policy (or vice versa), Obama has basically opted for two major foreign policy objectives and two major domestic ones. If he pulls it off, amazing, but the odds are against it.

On the whole, I'm leery of people who actively seek public office: they're whores trying to become madames. 

[ShipSekki]

lol

getbig's resident retard is back .. you, ship sekki and devislime would make a great centipede  ... you could be link 2 or 3

 The next time you have one of your gay orgies/ reptillian rituals, invite us all over and we can do that.

 You fucking fruitcake. Go shove a snake up your ass so you can interbreed with the reptillians.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

the Dems are trying to raise the cap on liablity from 75 million to 10 billion (working from memory on those #'s) and the Repubs in Congress have blocked it saying it would hurt the Mom and Pop offshore drilling companies (do those even exist) and they (those Mom and Pop offshore drillers) would be prevented from creating their own disasters which they are incapable paying for.

YES, Mom and Pop drilling companies exist

[Coach is Back!]

Well, this differentiates you and others from Coach. Coach really does believe Obama is less than what he appears to be. I remember all the posts by Coach about Obama being unable to give a speech without a teleprompter. That nonsense went on for weeks. I do clearly remember in the 1st week following Obama's inauguration, Coach was incessantly going on about why Obama hadn't yet *fixed* the economy!? And I could go on, but what would be the point.

Now, Coach seems like a decent sort, and appears to be a noted trainer of athletes; but his using language he doesn't understand, or positing polemical or misleading/untrue points is just gonna get himself called out. Hell, around here it's like wearing a bullseye.  

Okay Chimps, enough is enough. First I am going to address the highlighted then I want you to point out where I was wrong in my postings about the criticisms I have now and that I've had in the past about Obama and his administration. First off, if you REALLY think that I was actually serious about Obama fixing the economy in the FIRST week following his inauguration, you're the naive one and to even suggest that was imbecilic and judgmental but  just to clarify so you don't make the same mistake again, of course I did not expect him to fix the economy, that being said, seems even in jest at the time, I wasn't far off because here we are almost 2 years later and things are worse. Thats not speculation, that's a fact!

On to point two, please point out what language you're referring to I would love to know. I'm not calling myself an expert by any means but I read, watch and listen to both sides when it comes to politics and draw my own conclusions on what it right and what is wrong and how it effects my life, my business, my family and our future. I also go by what happen in the past history when it come's to how Democrats have ran the country and how republicans have ran the country. I'm not out to change minds just express my own and if people don't like it they can kiss my hairy Italian ASS, same with my being a Christian, I'm not bible thumper, I don't stand on a corner preaching the gospel that I believe in but if someone is in need of being witnessed to and is open to it, I'm more than happy to witness to them. I know I don't think I would have got this far without Him.

Make me a target all you want, I'm still going to believe what I believe and I will express it on these boards and face to face. But I will tell you one thing, when ever I do express my feelings about this president and administration on here, all I see is criticisms and name calling and bashing and yes, like you pointed out, made a target of.....I get no real intelligent answer to what I post and no facts to back up the what I might post in regards to a story. If I post something Limbaugh said that is factually accurate, I'll get bashed for posting it and some moron will call him a drug addict without even refuting the facts in the article.

I read an article today about how Bill Maher said in one of his monologues that "Obama wasn't acting like black president"

    

Now to bring up another point, no I don't think Obama is stupid not in the least, I think he's extremely intelligent but not as much as people might think he is, personally think he's above average as a whole but by Washington standards, he's average but smart enough to dupe the american public, he definitely has an agenda but it's an agenda that few want. But there are certain issues, IMPORTANT issues that he is COMPLETELY clueless about, this gulf spill is just one!  

[jtsunami]

oh god we know you will not stop believing what you believe in coach that's what makes it so hard for us to take, cause your beliefs are just beyond crazy and lunaticish.  Sad but we must embrace reality, you will never recover from conservatism 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Okay Chimps, enough is enough. First I am going to address the highlighted then I want you to point out where I was wrong in my postings about the criticisms I have now and that I've had in the past about Obama and his administration. First off, if you REALLY think that I was actually serious about Obama fixing the economy in the FIRST week following his inauguration, you're the naive one and to even suggest that was imbecilic and judgmental but  just to clarify so you don't make the same mistake again, of course I did not expect him to fix the economy, that being said, seems even in jest at the time, I wasn't far off because here we are almost 2 years later and things are worse. Thats not speculation, that's a fact!

On to point two, please point out what language you're referring to I would love to know. I'm not calling myself an expert by any means but I read, watch and listen to both sides when it comes to politics and draw my own conclusions on what it right and what is wrong and how it effects my life, my business, my family and our future. I also go by what happen in the past history when it come's to how Democrats have ran the country and how republicans have ran the country. I'm not out to change minds just express my own and if people don't like it they can kiss my hairy Italian ASS, same with my being a Christian, I'm not bible thumper, I don't stand on a corner preaching the gospel that I believe in but if someone is in need of being witnessed to and is open to it, I'm more than happy to witness to them. I know I don't think I would have got this far without Him.

Make me a target all you want, I'm still going to believe what I believe and I will express it on these boards and face to face. But I will tell you one thing, when ever I do express my feelings about this president and administration on here, all I see is criticisms and name calling and bashing and yes, like you pointed out, made a target of.....I get no real intelligent answer to what I post and no facts to back up the what I might post in regards to a story. If I post something Limbaugh said that is factually accurate, I'll get bashed for posting it and some moron will call him a drug addict without even refuting the facts in the article.

I read an article today about how Bill Maher said in one of his monologues that "Obama wasn't acting like black president"

    

Now to bring up another point, no I don't think Obama is stupid not in the least, I think he's extremely intelligent but not as much as people might think he is, personally think he's above average as a whole but by Washington standards, he's average but smart enough to dupe the american public, he definitely has an agenda but it's an agenda that few want. But there are certain issues, IMPORTANT issues that he is COMPLETELY clueless about, this gulf spill is just one!  

Bill Mahr is not a politican or talk show host.  He's a comedian.  His job is to make people laugh.


As far as the oil spill is concerned, because of the way the laws have been set up, the government cannot come in and intervene as they did with the banks.  Regardless of what president was in office, there would not have been any chance made

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

i stand my ground.  Halliburton, its' contractors and their equipment would be mobilized with Baby Bush in office because this is turning into a national problem.  If he can jimmy up the numbers for a WMD war...then an oil spill is child's play.  You are fool Vince.

Too many barrels at steak.

Its not a national problem.  That's why they cannot intervene like they did with the banks, dum ass.  Its a bad problem but it definitely isn't on a national scale. 

[HTexan]

Gone over this alrready in another post......

How about start working to clean up the shores and protect jobs and business and surrounding environment in marshes? That's should be part of the governments job and he HUGE power as president to implement it, instead he does nothing. He has more power to help with the clean up than he has taking over corporations, but that's another debate!!

In other words, they wouldn't have sat on their asses and did NOTHING. Fucker doesn't even act like he cares.

props to coach for NOT starting this thread.

[Coach is Back!]

Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, etc arnt politicians either Vince.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, etc arnt politicians either Vince.

Limbaugh, Hannity, and Levine are not comedians.  They are Radio and TV Show commentator who want people to take what they are saying seriously.

My point is that you take someone who's job is to make people laugh seriously.  Bill Mahr's job is a comedian so you can't put him on par with Limbaugh & Hannity although he's branched out into political reporting.  Personally I like Hannity because he's a straight shooter and rarely goes outside the box .  Limbaugh on the hand takes pot shots at any liberal or Democrat person even if its completely bullshit and has a tendancy to twist a story around to his own advantage.

We need to get back to real clear politics where the message is clear for everyone so they can make a well informed decision as to who to go with.  The GOP also needs to be much more centralized and not go too far to the right or left.  Obviously we are two totally different Republicans but it should not be at a point where the GOP has to cut off one side to please another side.

[Hulkster]

I am curious to see how the criminal investigations go.

if this happened on Ontario Canada, for example, those responsible would be charged criminally, fined and go to prison.

our environmental protection laws are written that way.

all you have to do is cause a discharge that MAY cause a deleterious effect on the environment and you can be charged.

you don't even have to fuck up the environment. just the potential has to have been there for you to be charged under the environmental protection act and associated regulations.

I hope the same sorts of regulations are in effect in the states and the higher ups go to prison for a long time..