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Re: The U.S. economy has added 982,000 jobs so far in 2010
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2010, 10:02:38 AM »
Private sector employment grows only by 41,000, unemployment down to 9.7%;
Update: “Extremely disappointing”; Update: 322K exit labor force
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After a relatively large expansion in private-sector employment in April of 224,000, the Obama administration led people to believe that the growth rate would continue in May.  The White House leaked to several media sources that the number of new jobs would exceed a half-million positions, mainly through temporary Census Bureau expansion, and that the private sector would gain around 150,000 — somewhat less than April but still ahead of population growth.  Instead, the actual BLS numbers missed both marks:

    Total nonfarm payroll employment grew by 431,000 in May, reflecting the hiring of 411,000 temporary employees to work on Census 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Private-sector employment changed little (+41,000). Manufacturing, temporary help services, and mining added jobs, while construction employment declined. The unemployment rate edged down to 9.7 percent.

In order to keep up with population growth, private-sector employment has to expand by at least 100,000 jobs a month. So far, the Obama administration has only seen that once, in April. Falling back to 41,000 is a drop of 75% of the growth from the previous month and puts the US back in a net job loss situation.

The problem of marginally-attached workers grew, and is reflected in the A-16 table. Comparing May 2009 to May 2010, the number of discouraged workers rose from 792,000 to 1,083,000, while the number of discouraged workers remained steady at 2.2 million. The number of people not in the labor force but who want work — including the “discouraged” workers — rose from 5.865 million to 6.381 million in the past month (not seasonally adjusted — BLS does not provide historical data with seasonal adjustments).

The Washington Post certainly expected better:

    The headlines right now are ominous — from the European debt crisis to a gargantuan gulf oil spill to renewed political tensions in several corners of the world. Financial markets have faltered as a result.

    But the U.S. economic recovery is still plugging along.

    That is the message from the latest wave of economic data, including several reports Thursday. And Friday morning, the Labor Department plans to release what is expected to be the best report on job growth in years, though the numbers will be boosted by temporary hiring by the Census Bureau.

It points back to a spectacularly bad attempt at expectations management by the White House. Either they didn’t know what was coming, or thought that they could spin it into sunshine. The stumble on private-sector growth negates the “we’re gaining strength” claim coming from the Obama administration, and it fits into a narrative of stagnation and incompetence. No one will look at a +41K month as a big step in the right direction, not after the administration’s bragging about the four-times-stronger number in April.

Update: Rob Port notes that 95.5% of all job growth in May came from the government.

Update II: CNBC reports that Wall Street isn’t impressed, either:

    US employers added 431,000 jobs to nonfarm payrolls in May, but 411,000 of those were temporary census workers. The private sector added just 41,000 jobs: Manufacturing, temporary help and mining added jobs, while construction declined. That number was also well short of the more than 500,000 economists had expected. The unemployment rate, however, fell to 9.7 percent from 9.9 percent in April.

    “This number is extremely disappointing,” said Todd Schoenberger, managing director at LandColt trading. However, he said, it should come as no surprise. “Considering first time jobless claims have been inching higher over the past four weeks … and GDP came in at a lackluster 3%, American companies are going to be reluctant to hire.”

    “The two areas of potential vulnerability for the economy remain payrolls and housing and they’re both staggering a good deal,” Art Cashin, director of floor operations at UBS, said on CNBC this morning. “From a market standpoint, I think we’re going to switch over and start issuing Dow 10,000 helmets!”


The Dow was down 160 points shortly after opening and treading back towards the 10,000 mark.

Update III: Why did the unemployment rate go down?  People have begun exiting the labor force again (via Jonah Goldberg):

    The unemployment rate fell to a seasonally adjusted 9.7% in May from 9.9% in April, according to a separate survey of 60,000 households. Economists were expecting the jobless rate to sink to 9.8%.

    The decline wasn’t particularly good news, however, because the drop was due to 322,000 people dropping out of the labor force. While unemployment dropped by 287,000 to 15 million, employment also fell, dipping 35,000 to 139.4 million.

    The participation rate dropped by two tenths to 65%.


Those are not indicators of a growing economy.

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Re: The U.S. economy has added 982,000 jobs so far in 2010
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2010, 10:06:08 AM »
I've never seen a larger, braindead, mindless, can't think for themselves cult like the Obamabots.




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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2010, 10:07:11 AM »

By the way, 333386, do you consider the war in iraq to be a success or a failure?

Also funny.   :)  When in doubt, change the subject. 

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2010, 10:09:02 AM »
   “This number is extremely disappointing,” said Todd Schoenberger, managing director at LandColt trading. However, he said, it should come as no surprise. “Considering first time jobless claims have been inching higher over the past four weeks … and GDP came in at a lackluster 3%, American companies are going to be reluctant to hire.”

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I have been saying this since this since Obama was elected.  Companies simply will not hire anyone so long as we have a socialist/marxist president and a rubber stamp congress for all sorts of insane policies. 


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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2010, 10:20:37 AM »
Also funny.   :)  When in doubt, change the subject.  

Actually, no.  I'm seeing what % of desired goals is your rubric for success.  The US didn't meet every benchmark for success, but most consider the war to be a success.

If Obama manages to accomplish the majority of the goals of the stim package, I am wondering if you'll find 1 or 2 points to harp upon, ignoring what may be a great deal more successes than failures.

So again, even though the US didn't achieve 100% of its stated goals in iraq (by a long shot), is the war a success?  Yes or no?

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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2010, 10:26:11 AM »
Actually, no.  I'm seeing what % of desired goals is your rubric for success.  The US didn't meet every benchmark for success, but most consider the war to be a success.

If Obama manages to accomplish the majority of the goals of the stim package, I am wondering if you'll find 1 or 2 points to harp upon, ignoring what may be a great deal more successes than failures.

So again, even though the US didn't achieve 100% of its stated goals in iraq (by a long shot), is the war a success?  Yes or no?

In other words, you are trying to spin shit and have been proven dead wrong on this. 

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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2010, 10:27:51 AM »
In other words, you are trying to spin shit and have been proven dead wrong on this. 

^^^ This.

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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2010, 10:35:44 AM »
I'm asking if the iraq war was a success in your opinion, 333386.  If you can assign a WIN even if 100% of stated goals were not met.

yes or no?  Don't hide from teh Q.  I'll readily admit if the stim bill fails, and I readily shit on Owebama for lots of things. 

But I also admit the iraq war was a success, even if the rubric for success was changed releatedly and we didn't meet some of the benchmarks.  You have ZERO wars in american history where 100% of stated goals were achieved - but we're undefeated baby!

I refuse to admit failure in iraq, as your answer by omission implies.

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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2010, 10:41:11 AM »
I'm asking if the iraq war was a success in your opinion, 333386.  If you can assign a WIN even if 100% of stated goals were not met.

yes or no?  Don't hide from teh Q.  I'll readily admit if the stim bill fails, and I readily shit on Owebama for lots of things. 

But I also admit the iraq war was a success, even if the rubric for success was changed releatedly and we didn't meet some of the benchmarks.  You have ZERO wars in american history where 100% of stated goals were achieved - but we're undefeated baby!

I refuse to admit failure in iraq, as your answer by omission implies.

Who brought up the Iraq war, YOU! 

We are talking about the Stim Bill and jobs and the economy which you claimed would be greatly aided by the Stim Bill. 

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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2010, 10:47:07 AM »
YOU brought up the fact I'd be admitting failure in 2 months.

So i wanted you to clarify if success if 100% of goals only, or if a plan that achieved 90% or 80% of its goals would qualify as a success.

Now I"m in the position of making a determination as to whether or not something is a success, and I don't even have a rubric.  it's like a cashier asking me to pay for groceries - and not telling me how much they cost.

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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2010, 11:06:52 AM »
YOU brought up the fact I'd be admitting failure in 2 months.

So i wanted you to clarify if success if 100% of goals only, or if a plan that achieved 90% or 80% of its goals would qualify as a success.

Now I"m in the position of making a determination as to whether or not something is a success, and I don't even have a rubric.  it's like a cashier asking me to pay for groceries - and not telling me how much they cost.

You clearly said that if the UE rate was still above 8% after 18 months that you would acknowledge that the Stim Bill did not work and was a failure. 

do the math.  That pofs wate of money was passed in February 2009 and the UE not only skyrocketed since, but has stayed there and things have gotten worse.   

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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2010, 11:08:11 AM »
33, what do you think about the fact reagan was able to jumpstart the sagging carter economy by hiring a shitload of govt workers and raising taxes?

And do you commend Obama for following his model?

And do you think history will place reagan up there on the same pedestal as they will obama?





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Obamas economy is a joke.430,000 jobs created in May,400,000 are census jobs.It takes 5 private sector employees to pay the tab of 1 government employee,in may we are at a 9-1 ratio going the wrong way.Reagans economy created 20,000,000 jobs.If Obamad was in office for 50 years he wouldnt reach 5,000,000.So lets see,SINCE the stimulus passed we have lost 4 million jobs under Obama.Just about any job getting created today is a government job.OBAMA=FAIL!!!

Reagan defeated the Soviet Union BY HIMSELF .He had to fight the soviets plus communists here like Biden and Kennedy to do it.Obama could live 50 lifetimes and he is a piece of dung stuck to the bottom of Reagans shoe.

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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2010, 11:46:55 AM »
so BILLY, since 33 won't answer...

was the iraq war a success?

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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2010, 11:52:20 AM »
so BILLY, since 33 won't answer...

was the iraq war a success?

In terms of what?  In terms of that we were on the brink of losing and thank god for Bush and mccain and petraus doinb the surge it was saved?  Yes.

Remember General Obama and Biden saying it wouldnt work? 


There is not one fucking thing I can think of that obama has been right on.  The man, his follower and devotees, etc are nopthing but walking talking failure machines. 

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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2010, 11:55:25 AM »
so BILLY, since 33 won't answer...

was the iraq war a success?

I was against the war,but the surge worked.Im not for fighting nice wars.If you go to war you kill EVERYBODY.So,I think the war was a mistake and how we fought it was a bigger mistake.

Now,once again,just to remind you.Under Bush we had 54 consecutive months of job growth.Then,when Nancy "the word" Pelosi took over we started losing jobs.

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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2010, 12:00:20 PM »
My point is that in the history of american wars, etc... there has never been any mission that was 100% successful.  There are always going to be successes with 80% of objectives met.  It is what it is. 

I would like to see the list of objectives for the stimulus.  Does anyone have that?

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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2010, 12:03:45 PM »
My point is that in the history of american wars, etc... there has never been any mission that was 100% successful.  There are always going to be successes with 80% of objectives met.  It is what it is. 

I would like to see the list of objectives for the stimulus.  Does anyone have that?

Very simple kp boy, keep UE% at or under 8%. 

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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2010, 12:07:56 PM »
oh cool - I didn't know there was only 1 stated goal.  In that case, it will be very easy to rate it a pass/fail.  I must have been mistaken.  I thought there were multiple aims of the bill.

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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2010, 12:09:17 PM »
oh cool - I didn't know there was only 1 stated goal.  In that case, it will be very easy to rate it a pass/fail.  I must have been mistaken.  I thought there were multiple aims of the bill.

If you are inclusing bankrupting the nation, giving away billions to acorn, SEIU, condoms on bannas, studying pelosi' pet mouse, etc, yeah I guess you are right. 

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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2010, 12:38:19 PM »
oh cool - I didn't know there was only 1 stated goal.  In that case, it will be very easy to rate it a pass/fail.  I must have been mistaken.  I thought there were multiple aims of the bill.

The stated goal was to stimulate the economy to create jobs.I dont recall Obama saying temp census jobs,or just government jobs.Bur he spent nearly a trillion dollars and almost ZERO private sector jobs are being created.I wonder why?Could it be the assanine health care bill?The threat of cap and trade?EVERYTHING this man has touched has gotten worse.

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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2010, 12:40:14 PM »
The stated goal was to stimulate the economy to create jobs.I dont recall Obama saying temp census jobs,or just government jobs.Bur he spent nearly a trillion dollars and almost ZERO private sector jobs are being created.I wonder why?Could it be the assanine health care bill?The threat of cap and trade?EVERYTHING this man has touched has gotten worse.

We warned every many many many times. 

This is not rocket science. 

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« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2010, 12:49:20 PM »
The stated goal was to stimulate the economy to create jobs.

Ah.  How many?

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« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2010, 12:51:57 PM »
Ah.  How many?

So you say since the economy created 1 million jobs the stimulus is a success?First of all that nukmber is a lie,but lets say its true.1 million jobs for 1 billion dollars.Could you give me a breakdown of what that comes out to for each job?Then try to post with a straight face that the stimulus was a success?They could have wriiten those people checks for a million dollars and made out just as well.

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« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2010, 12:55:00 PM »
Well, it's been a million jobs in 2010 (thru 5 months).  I don't know how many were created last year.

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« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2010, 01:01:55 PM »
Well, it's been a million jobs in 2010 (thru 5 months).  I don't know how many were created last year.

THE TOTAL IS zero!!!!!!HOW CAN WE BE IN HOLE 4 MILLION JOBS SINCE THE STIMULUS AND 7 MILLION SINCE BALACK OBAMA TOOK OVER AND BE CREATING JOBS.PLEASE SHOW ME HOW THAT MATH ADDS UP?Once again,UE will be over 10% by Nov.