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Dana White, Fedor Emelianenko and MMA's Revisionist History: Really Good Read

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Dana White, Fedor Emelianenko and MMA's Revisionist History -- MMA Fighting




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It must be nice to have a memory as pleasantly selective as Dana White's. It's always there when he needs it, and it never fails to leave him feeling like the smartest guy in the room.

Take the recent upset loss that knocked Fedor Emelianenko from the top spot in the heavyweight division. To hear White tell it, he alone saw through the outsized fiction of Fedor, so it doesn't surprise him to see the Russian fall.

"I've been saying that forever, but the media overhyped this mythological creature that they thought was the number one pound-for-pound fighter in the world, which is just so...it's so asinine and ridiculous," he told MMA Fighting's Ariel Helwani in this video interview.

White went on to claim that he "never believed" in Fedor, which seems odd considering all the time and effort the UFC president spent trying to sign him to a UFC contract. It wasn't so long ago that he referred to his attempts to acquire Emelianenko as an "obsession."


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That was apparently all a clever ruse, because now White would have us believe that he knew this Fedor guy was a phony all along. And how did he spot this paper tiger when the rest of us were duped? Simple: the lack of quality competition on Fedor's record.

"My thing with him was, the best fighters in the world are the guys that fight the best three times a year," White told Helwani. "Those are the guys that deserve your praise and deserve to be talked about. This guy won't even fight the best guys in the world one time a year. So to give him this praise...I'm telling you right now, 90% is because, oh, he's not in the UFC..."

This is White's go-to move when it comes time to talk Fedor. He insists that Fedor isn't deserving of our respect because he doesn't fight the best. Of course, if you asked White to tell you who the best are, it's a pretty good bet that you'd get a list of UFC fighters. That's how it works when you're a fight promoter: the guys you can profit from are the only guys who matter.

Of course, when those guys move on, as Andrei Arlovski did, exiting the UFC on a three-fight winning streak, then they become total nonentities.

Apparently it doesn't even matter that Arlovski added knockout victories over Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson – the latter of whom is one win away from a UFC heavyweight title shot, according to White – before taking on Emelianenko. The mere fact that he was no longer a UFC fighter at the time seems to have made him worthless as an opponent by the time Emelianenko starched him in the first round.

It also doesn't seem to matter that Fedor was slated to take on Josh Barnett – then a top-five heavyweight – before Barnett's steroid debacle derailed the fight. Nor does it matter that not so long ago Emelianenko was aiming for a fight with Randy Couture – then the UFC heavyweight champ – before White and his team of lawyers put the kibosh on it.

Nope, all that matters is that Fedor won't fight the best. Though since the best are confined exclusively to the UFC, at least in White's mind, that's a little like criticizing Georges St. Pierre for fighting Dan Hardy instead of Jake Shields or Nick Diaz.

That's not to say that Emelianenko is beyond reproach. His record does feature such MMA punchlines as Hong Man Choi and Zuluzinho, with middleweight Matt Lindland sandwiched in there for good measure. And yes, his M-1 Global management team has at times seemed like a barrier between Fedor and the dream fights that fans want to see. There's no denying any of that.

At the same time, one surprising loss doesn't cancel out everything else he's accomplished in the sport. He beat Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic back when the Croatian (whose abilities White claims to respect now) was in his prime. He beat Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira twice. Doing so once, and against a declining version of the old "Minotauro," was enough to earn Cain Velasquez an impending title shot in the UFC.

And then there's Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin, who have about half as many fights between the two of them as Emelianenko does in his storied career. Neither of them have faced the kind of steady diet of high-quality competition that Emelianenko did in his Pride days. At least not yet.

That's not a knock on them. They have, after all, faced the best available to them in the time available to them. But, with the possible exception of the Alistair Overeem bout, which still has yet to materialize, didn't Fedor do the same? Didn't he beat everyone he could possibly get in the ring with, and didn't he at least make an honest effort at getting in the ring with a few others?

The truth is that White is simply following the fight promoter's handbook when he disparages Fedor's claim to greatness. If Lesnar, in some alternate universe reality, were to abandon the UFC right now in favor of Strikeforce, White would immediately turn around and denigrate his accomplishments as a mere 4-1 novice who got half his wins against the likes of Heath Herring and Min Soo Kim.

That's how the game is played when you're in White's shoes. There's no harm in him playing it now, and certainly Fedor's recent loss makes it momentarily easier. But the rest of us would do well to take a step back and remember that there's a reason White has such strong opinions about Emelianenko to begin with, and it's not because he's a nobody who never really mattered to begin with. 

In my opinion this article really articulates Fedor's accomplishments well. It might help some of the Pre Pride Fedor haters to appreciate his reign as the best in the world. As well as Dana's back and forth with Fedor and M-1.

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Fedor who?

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The only thing current in that picture is the bodyfat that Fedor has.

The rest has been stripped away.

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he lost 1 fight.. that doesn't make him lose his legacy..

stop nuthugging the thread with your UFC heavyweight obssession...

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Fedor who?


So...why not comment on the facts from above?  Bust on Fedor....but he destroyed CroCop......now CroCop is near the end of his career but White "loves his new attitude".  Umm...dude got head kicked to hell by fucking Gonzaga.....yes..Gonzaga ....who, got his ass handed to him by Couture.  Where is Gonzaga now?  Dont seem to hear his name mentioned in the whole HW mix.

I think Fedor should have went to UFC along time ago....then we wouldnt have all this shit, but Dana is still a tool box for not giving him the respect he deserves.  Talking shit about Werdum....but yet his boy Liddell he hasnt said one fucking disparaging word.  Also, he "cuts" fighter who lose so much...why, oh why, did he keep such blow hards like Marc Coleman....or even Ken "Punching Bag" Shamrock?  I'll tell you why.....he is a fucking hypocrite.

I am sure you will call me a Fedor guy....but I am not.  I just hate it when hypocrisy is so evident as displayed by Dana.

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fedors hitting ability is far greater then brocks... even in prior interview of carwin vs brock, ufc fighters said lesner would just lay on him... guess what? thats what happened
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So...why not comment on the facts from above?  Bust on Fedor....but he destroyed CroCop......now CroCop is near the end of his career but White "loves his new attitude".  Umm...dude got head kicked to hell by fucking Gonzaga.....yes..Gonzaga ....who, got his ass handed to him by Couture.  Where is Gonzaga now?  Dont seem to hear his name mentioned in the whole HW mix.

I think Fedor should have went to UFC along time ago....then we wouldnt have all this shit, but Dana is still a tool box for not giving him the respect he deserves.  Talking shit about Werdum....but yet his boy Liddell he hasnt said one fucking disparaging word.  Also, he "cuts" fighter who lose so much...why, oh why, did he keep such blow hards like Marc Coleman....or even Ken "Punching Bag" Shamrock?  I'll tell you why.....he is a fucking hypocrite.

I am sure you will call me a Fedor guy....but I am not.  I just hate it when hypocrisy is so evident as displayed by Dana.


Fedor should have gone to the UFC when he was relevant.

Unfortunately, he is now irrelevant in the battle for #1 HW and is not needed.

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Fedor should have gone to the UFC when he was relevant.

Unfortunately, he is now irrelevant in the battle for #1 HW and is not needed.

So..one loss makes him irrelevant?  So CroCops 2 - 3 losses then a win makes him more relevant?  How about Gonzaga?  He's more relevant than some of the lower tier guys in the UFC right now.  He would STILL draw some good money.  Admit it, now its just out of spite that Dana doesnt want him. 

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So..one loss makes him irrelevant?  So CroCops 2 - 3 losses then a win makes him more relevant?  How about Gonzaga?  He's more relevant than some of the lower tier guys in the UFC right now.  He would STILL draw some good money.  Admit it, now its just out of spite that Dana doesnt want him.  

I think Dana has every right to feel "spite" toward the Fedor camp.  They tried to bring him on board and were unsuccessful.  That said, even if there was no spite, Fedor is no longer worth what the UFC originally offered him.  That doesn't mean he is worthless.  

If I were Dana, I would bring Fedor on with a 4 fight contract.  He would have to win two fights against top 5 UFC contenders, before challenging for the title.  If he won the title, he would have to defend it once.

But weightpusher is right.  With Fedor no longer ranked #1, the UFC just doesn't need him.

As for pay, I would give him $250,000 to show and $250,000 to win for the non title fights, and $250,000 to show and $350,000 to win for the title fights.  That gives him the potential to make $2.2 million over 4 fights.  The sponsor money he would make, from the exposure the UFC would give him, would be well over $2 million over the 4 fights, plus who knows how much over his lifetime.
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I think Dana has every right to feel "spite" toward the Fedor camp.  They tried to bring him on board and were unsuccessful.  That said, even if there was no spite, Fedor is no longer worth what the UFC originally offered him.  That doesn't mean he is worthless.  

If I were Dana, I would bring Fedor on with a 4 fight contract.  He would have to win two fights against top 5 UFC contenders, before challenging for the title.  If he won the title, he would have to defend it once.

But weightpusher is right.  With Fedor no longer ranked #1, the UFC just doesn't need him.

As for pay, I would give him $250,000 to show and $250,000 to win for the non title fights, and $250,000 to show and $350,000 to win for the title fights.  That gives him the potential to make $2.2 million over 4 fights.  The sponsor money he would make, from the exposure the UFC would give him, would be well over $2 million over the 4 fights, plus who knows how much over his lifetime.

Cant argue with you...well said.  Everyone should see that whole thing as nothing anti-fedor

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Fedor who?


You know, the guy every MMA fighter says is the best.  you know that guy.
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You know, the guy every MMA fighter says is the best.  you know that guy.

I don't see any guy named Fedor in the current best P4P ranking, and Brock Lesnar is the current #1 ranked HW in most rankings.

Again I will ask, Fedor who?

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I don't see any guy named Fedor in the current best P4P ranking, and Brock Lesnar is the current #1 ranked HW in most rankings.

Again I will ask, Fedor who?


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wow what a champ.. he got lucky that the ref didn't stop it..






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wow what a champ.. he got lucky that the ref didn't stop it..







All luck that he had his hand raised at the end of the fight and is STILL the #1 ranked HW in the world. ::)

Must tear you up knowing that Fedor will never be number one again, BWahahahahahaha



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 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Fedor might not be number #1  ;D ;D


but he has never been bitch slap like brock did..












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wow what a champ.. he got lucky that the ref didn't stop it..







I can see why the ref didn't stop it. He really was doing a lot of work off his back.  ::)

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I don't see any guy named Fedor in the current best P4P ranking, and Brock Lesnar is the current #1 ranked HW in most rankings.

Again I will ask, Fedor who?

Yes odd uh?  A guy who has 6 fights and lost one is rated #1.  A guy with 30+ wins and 1 loss isn't anymore.  Just to let you know.  Those rankings don't mean a thing since the UFC pays for them.  If you had just 1/4 of a brain you would know that.  But I'm sure that is asking to much.  Your ignorance on how the rankings are determined is pathetic.  Funny how Fedor would hurt Lesnar so bad that he would have one of those sudden sickness's again.
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All luck that he had his hand raised at the end of the fight and is STILL the #1 ranked HW in the world. ::)

Must tear you up knowing that Fedor will never be number one again, BWahahahahahaha





man you are such a ufc, dana white, brock lesnar guy it is absolutely sickening. i am being serious its just sad :(
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Yes odd uh?  A guy who has 6 fights and lost one is rated #1.  A guy with 30+ wins and 1 loss isn't anymore.  Just to let you know.  Those rankings don't mean a thing since the UFC pays for them.  If you had just 1/4 of a brain you would know that.  But I'm sure that is asking to much.  Your ignorance on how the rankings are determined is pathetic.  Funny how Fedor would hurt Lesnar so bad that he would have one of those sudden sickness's again.


Fedor will never do shit to Brock or anyone else in the UFC. He is done, and will never be in the UFC.

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man you are such a ufc, dana white, brock lesnar guy it is absolutely sickening. i am being serious its just sad :(

I read right through you....


You are really sad that the the #1 HW in the world is Brock Lesnar, a guy only several years into MMA, on top of the fact that Fedor was exposed and will not so much as sniff a #1 ranking ever again.

That's the real story Bro. It's ok...you'll get over it.

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weightpshr getting ownt once again.  usual day on the mma forum.

What does it matter, aren't I supposed to be a gimmick, or are you past that?

Please, my world is meaningless without your respect on here ::)

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Fedor will never do shit to Brock or anyone else in the UFC. He is done, and will never be in the UFC.
hahahahahahahaha even you know this was stupid to say.  if Fedor called in one hour and woke Dana up after being up for 100 hours straight Dana would first piss his pants then drive 3000 miles to sign Fedor up.
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I read right through you....


You are really sad that the the #1 HW in the world is Brock Lesnar, a guy only several years into MMA, on top of the fact that Fedor was exposed and will not so much as sniff a #1 ranking ever again.

That's the real story Bro. It's ok...you'll get over it.

i don't really don't dislike brock. just don;t like his attitude sometimes..he needs to be more humble. the thing is i will root for him against cain because i don;t like cain and i want to see a rematch with carwin. i have no problem with brock being in the top 5 in the rankings it just he hasn;t had enough fights yet to justify number one status..just my opinion
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