GH15 - why not be more open minded?

[Van_Bilderass]

to guys who wanna know about iv whats in it and how they use it i will post it here in September after i talk to major competitor who used it several times

There is nothing to know. I can tell you right now there's little to no advantage to doing anything IV. The IVs they played around with to dry out years ago? It was only an attempt to circumvent the diuretic test. Not gonna do anything beyond what can be achieved with more conventional methods.

btw this is from jhon romano
Some gurus use short-acting insulin to carb their guys up before a show while an IV bag full of glucose drips into a vein. These guys are constantly running the risk of severe hypoglycemia, slipping into a coma, and dying within hours. But, it hasn't happened yet.

John is an absolute retard when it comes to drugs. You can take a shitload of insulin and you won't need an IV. I don't see any advantage.

Only scenario I could see is at night when you obviously don't eat because you're asleep. But this is again something that won't make a major impact in any scenario.

Just my humble opinion.

[willl]

u read it here first
plasma expanders by mixing slin with IV glucose bags
one name: RHEOMACRODEX (google it if uwant more info)

i will post all info regarding how much to use when to use how to use in separate thread in october
as well as diverse cutting edge diuretic usage and mind boggling vascularity

to vanbilder you should get in to some competitions and live the walk first hand you will realise this is not a joke

[Van_Bilderass]

u read it here first
plasma expanders by mixing slin with IV glucose bags
one name: RHEOMACRODEX (google it if uwant more info)

i will post all info regarding how much to use when to use how to use in separate thread in october
as well as diverse cutting edge diuretic usage and mind boggling vascularity

to vanbilder you should get in to some competitions and live the walk first hand you will realise this is not a joke

I have seen plenty first hand. I believe some play with different exotic stuff, that's not what I'm doubting.

What is the advantage to this stuff? What do you believe they do that can't be done without them?

You can easily top off your glycogen with food. Why do you need IV glucose? Only reason I see would be if your stomach bloats from food and you're attempting to control that. But giving you conditioning per se beyond food loading, I don't think so.

Oral diuretics work. Why would you need IV diuretics or plasma expanders, unless you overloaded and needed a very quick fix?

I mean, all this stuff is interesting to me. I want to hear everything, so by all means post about it. However I don't think it will do something that can't be done through other means.

Most of the exotic stuff fails. It's played with for a while and then it's on to the next great thing. This is bodybuilding: steroids get you to point A. Steroids + GH + insulin gets you to point B and C. This is 99% of successful bodybuilding pharmacology right there. It's very simple really. As far as peaking for a show it's very personal and situation based when it comes to diuretics and all the stuff you talk about so you can't really give a schedule that works all the time anyway. It depends on the specific situation and the specific person and changes from show to show even with the same person. How many diuretics for example "should" one take to peak right? No one can answer that. It depends.

And if this stuff gives such mind boggling vascularity, why isn't Cutler using it? And why has he seriously messed up his peaking several times? Because there is no schedule that guarantees results. You play with diuretics and exotic stuff and it can go either way very easily and very quickly. Chad Nicholls was one who played with the plasma expanders. How do his clients look at the O? I don't know if he still does this stuff or it was just a phase, but take Martinez. Where's the mind boggling vascularity and conditioning? Nowhere to be seen.

BTW, there's this stuff for vascularity:
http://www.synthetek.com/products/synthelator-vasodilator/

I think Disgusted said he saw Phil Heath take this stuff backstage. Did it make a difference? Either positive or negative? I don't know.

[willl]

what is the advantage? you go from edge to cutting edge
i will give u couple of examples: why take tribulus if u can take test instead
why shoot slin in stomach if u can do it IM with better results
shoot hg gh iv instead of im and ull have an extra edge
plasma expanders should give u even more of that full blown muscularity, its not that hard to understand ur literally pouring in essential liquids into ur bloodstream so ur bloddplasma levels increase hence increased musclarity pumps, vascularity whatever

i didnt say this will give u conditioning per se, im talking if everything else is OK and u wanna take it to the next level then this shd work

oral diuretics dowork and it has been shown that iv diuretics work even better, but im not talking about iv diuretica
im only looking for diverse known formulas and like u say these protocols vary from person to person and i dont have any problem with that, its all just about the knowledge then creating your own formula

now about cutler i think ur mistaking in his vascularity, he just doesnt come in right for the show and holds water no wonder you dont see his veins popping although im absolutely certain he too does take everything he can to increase it to the eye
the problem with cutler and his veins lies elsewhere
last O he did make impressive progress though

Martinez same thing never dials it in liek i said everything else needs to be in check before trying these techniques or nithgin will happen
i thought u were supposed to know these simple facts

about heath yes if he takes it its definately in a quest to achieve that extra edge he's looking for

[marcos chacon]

ok i see this is a "lost war" gh15 thinks what he thinks and thats all, ok i respect.but is not that way me, i wont even try again to argue with him.i gain nothing, he thinks everyone lies, well its his problem.

take care and live bb like u think it is

[Tapeworm]

Marcos , we know who you are ,you are open to talk etc.This GH 15 could be anyone who knows a lot about drugs and not a pro.
Just don`t  bother about this god he he, or what he writes.
Buena suerte amigo.
 

Good to see you posting again, Backday.  I remember you from MGB.  Really inspirational bro.

I called out gh15 in the past and received the predictably incoherent, multi paragraph 'i am god of homos' telling off.  Then I saw him change his stance over the next few months 180 degrees to very nearly what I said in the first place, most notably regarding PCT.  Those who remember the thread will know what I'm talking about.  He's just an internet geek who reads juice forums.  Total gimmick account of the sad weirdo variety.

[gh15]

friends,,will ,,worm,,you wont get me to talk about what you want ,,gh15 talks about what IT wants,,what van wrote is pretty much the truth ,,yes we do some other things,,i may talk about later on ,,but i can not just write is on here because of the following gh15 has,,it is too risky because people will try it and many of them are just not ready ,,most of them dont need it ,,what van said is the truth,,

aas gh slin + a number of stimulants,,thats it my friends,,first get the size then we talk more,,

and no ,,there is no need for pct ,,its an internet fed up balonie made bu internet generation called GENERATION NOTHINGNESS

gh15 approved

[willl]

i dunno buddy, looks to me like you dont really know

i will post and reveal the 'answers' myself dont worry

thank you

[Immortal_Technique]

ok i see this is a "lost war" gh15 thinks what he thinks and thats all, ok i respect.but is not that way me, i wont even try again to argue with him.i gain nothing, he thinks everyone lies, well its his problem.

take care and live bb like u think it is

He doesn't even seem to live bodybuilding in any way. He just collects knowledge about a subject he hates for no reason. Everyone knows everyone takes steroids. What's the big deal? I'd tell my girlfriend if I took them. What's to be ashamed about? It's necessary if you want to look insanely muscular. This board wouldn't exist without them as noone cares about skinny natural morally annoying bodybuilders physiques. He seems to have melted his own brain with his negative obsession about shame and lying and blah blah blah, so yeah lets just leave him to it.

[willl]

btw gh15 nobody said Van is wrong im saying there is more to it then that
u go from edge to cutting edge

ur dry and lean, u did ur homework ur on the edge
u take some diuretic u add some Thiomucase or Prep-H plus vasodilatators u r cutting edge
and so on

[Tapeworm]

friends,,will ,,worm,,you wont get me to talk about what you want ,,gh15 talks about what IT wants,,what van wrote is pretty much the truth ,,yes we do some other things,,i may talk about later on ,,but i can not just write is on here because of the following gh15 has,,it is too risky because people will try it and many of them are just not ready ,,most of them dont need it ,,what van said is the truth,,

aas gh slin + a number of stimulants,,thats it my friends,,first get the size then we talk more,,

and no ,,there is no need for pct ,,its an internet fed up balonie made bu internet generation called GENERATION NOTHINGNESS

gh15 approved

Flip flop flip flop.  You'd have been laughed off the board if you weren't so desperate to keep crawling back.  

Quote one thing you've ever said which was groundbreaking and correct.  No chatter.  Find a past post and quote it.  Go on.  Own me.  

[gh15]

worm,,do you relaly in your right mind think that gh15 god of hormones can be laughed of anywhere? you have here people who make living off bodybuilding that tell you gh15 words are gold,,im never wrong because this is what i been doing for many years,,gh15 has so many post among the 5000 that is the real deal,,thats why its called the bible,,right now at any given time on every board there is posting by gh15 that been quoted from years back,,even on this board on the steroid section they just posted gh15 posting from 3 years back and praise it ,,you know why? because those postings are trial and error of a real professional,,its not  something like i heard friend,,or heard buddy ,,its a pro life of a bodybuilder explaining it in simple words with nice spelling

oh and pct is still useless and not needed and never needed and a way for people to make money on boards,,

look around youll see many of gh15 bible quoted on daily basis by the massess,,not only that ,,gh15 became so big that actual bodybuilders WRITE THE SAME STYLE NOW DAYS WITH THE COMMAS ,, ,,, ,, look everywhere on professional muscle ,,on vip,,on olm,,on many boards,,do you know what it means when the style of writing of a persona get adopted by the masses,,? it means  r e s p e c t ,,YOU GOT TO EARN IT MY FRIEND:)

gh15 approved

[willl]

it really means stupidity, bro
adopting another guy's writing style is not respect, its lack of personality and individuality
its basically proof that whoever is writing that way is a moron
but ur right, u got noobs to more assertive, good thing

[Krankenstein]

do you know what it means when the style of writing of a persona get adopted by the masses,,? it means  r e s p e c t ,,YOU GOT TO EARN IT MY FRIEND:)

gh15 approved

it,,,,really,,,,means,,,,you,,are,,,,,being,,,,,,,,,,mocked,,,,,tool!!!!

How are those G4P sessions going fag?  Does it bother you anymore to take a stiff one for your next cycle or shipment?  Seriously...tell everyone that info seeing as your an "IFBB pro"   

[Tapeworm]

worm,,do you relaly in your right mind think that gh15 god of hormones can be laughed of anywhere? you have here people who make living off bodybuilding that tell you gh15 words are gold,,im never wrong because this is what i been doing for many years,,gh15 has so many post among the 5000 that is the real deal,,thats why its called the bible,,right now at any given time on every board there is posting by gh15 that been quoted from years back,,even on this board on the steroid section they just posted gh15 posting from 3 years back and praise it ,,you know why? because those postings are trial and error of a real professional,,its not  something like i heard friend,,or heard buddy ,,its a pro life of a bodybuilder explaining it in simple words with nice spelling

oh and pct is still useless and not needed and never needed and a way for people to make money on boards,,

look around youll see many of gh15 bible quoted on daily basis by the massess,,not only that ,,gh15 became so big that actual bodybuilders WRITE THE SAME STYLE NOW DAYS WITH THE COMMAS ,, ,,, ,, look everywhere on professional muscle ,,on vip,,on olm,,on many boards,,do you know what it means when the style of writing of a persona get adopted by the masses,,? it means  r e s p e c t ,,YOU GOT TO EARN IT MY FRIEND:)

gh15 approved

Quote a post.  One post with worthwhile content if you're so knowledgeable.  You couldn't do it and we all know why.

You type a lot but you're useless.

[Cleanest Natural]

chances of you marcos to hold 123 kg on your so so genetics + frame on a single gram of legit test and 4 units of gh


ZERO 

A GRAM OF TEST WILL PUT YOU AT 230-2235 AT MOST WITH YOUR GENES AND THE GH WILL AMPLIFY IT'S EFFECT AND WILL CUT ON YOUR BODYFAT

my 2 cents

[pellius]

Flip flop flip flop.  You'd have been laughed off the board if you weren't so desperate to keep crawling back.  

Quote one thing you've ever said which was groundbreaking and correct.  No chatter.  Find a past post and quote it.  Go on.  Own me.  

Not everybody is as savvy regarding bodybuilding. For me, gh15 has exposed how much lying goes on in this sport. I use to believe guys like Moody and Faildo were naturals. Not just clean, but true naturals. Also, he exposed how prominent the role of drugs is in this sport. Sure, I knew they all used drugs but didn't know to what extent and what a difference it makes. When I use to train at Gold's Venice in the mid 1990s I always wondered how those guys got so huge and ripped and they didn't seem to train hard at all. I felt I trained harder and with more intensity than a lot of those pros did. I remember doing a drop set on leg extentions and when I got off my legs just collapsed under me. As I got up I looked over and saw Paul Dillet doing a set of leg presses while on his cell phone. I knew genetics had a lot to do with it but I also saw guys who didn't seem like they had much going genetics wise become beasts when they started juicing. And, conversely, shrink to nothingness when they got off even though they kept training. Also, the dangers and junk that is the UG market when the internet age took over and anybody could get anything and anybody could  be a "lab."

lastly,,,, and most importantly,,,, i learned how anabolic jamacai food is and when I bang americano whores to make sure i do it very hard and make sure they hurt,,, works every time,,,, they need to know whose boss or they will walk all over you,,,,

  

[clued-up]

I use to believe guys like Moody and Faildo were naturals. Not just clean, but true naturals.

This lying piece of shit is not clean.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

ok i see this is a "lost war" gh15 thinks what he thinks and thats all, ok i respect.but is not that way me, i wont even try again to argue with him.i gain nothing, he thinks everyone lies, well its his problem.

take care and live bb like u think it is

You yourself stated that you NEVER trained calves in your life. EVER. That statement right there tells everyone what a liar you are. Many have seen you in the gym on a piece of calf equipment. If you would lie about something like that, what else would you lie about? Its no wonder you don't like GH15. You sir are a lying hairy douche mallet.

[pellius]

This lying piece of shit is not clean.

i was young and naive,,, god of hormones ,,,, showed me the light,,,

[clued-up]

i was young and naive,,, god of hormones ,,,, showed me the light,,,

Do you see these bikini bitches? They have bodybuilding drugs coursing through their veins.. and that’s the bikini division.


The men?



LOL at *natural* bodybuilding.. a bunch of liars. Worthless human beings. These guys who push the natural image for financial gain... tsk tsk.

[Natural Man]

1-i believe is not all megadoses (for me) i know loads of guys do, but is not the way for me, maybe i turned pro after 18 years lifting but i proved u can make it, i do have off seaason and normal social life, i hate taking gear but i do because i am in the game and those are the rules,i also check my health allways i do take, before and after taking, i believe that i have good genetics and that helps a lot, and i have trained like crazy and had food to feed a whole familly.

2-iv, never done that and i dont have a clue how u do it,would like to learn about it, just to know, honestly, even i am a pro i learn new things every day.

- i allways relate to arnold,segio,columbu, etc, they had less machinery, less suplements and took 10% of the drugs that today exist, and do u think half of the guys on board wouldnt like to look like they did, how they did it?? of course hard work tons of food, and great genetics.i think it is possible, why not,

hey stop taking steroids and lets see how you look after 3 , then 6 months , and try to just keep lifting -if you can-. You are addicted to steroids, been using them since so long you dont even know how it feels to be off. Please, you re a steroid junkie period, dont try to teach us life lessons.

[LATS]

gh15 could be just a gimmick.. but he is right about a few things.. the "old timers" did take the basic same amounts as today.. the idea that they did not is silly.. many years ago i talked to greg deferros old training partner and he told me what they took back in the late 70's to mid 80's.. quite a bit of shit.. no hgh or slin.. but the anabolics were about the same..

  and yes.. i have always said that most if not all bodybuilders lie about dose.. even to their "trainers".. hell, they dont even tell their wives or girlfriends .. they dont wan the drugs to get the credit for their physiques.. so they understate the dosages.. even say they are natural or clean.. silly..

  as for marcos.. great potential.. could be a great pro.. dont care what he takes.. all that matter sis how he looks on stage..

[saucetradomous]

marcos is greater than GH.. guy can actually use his real name, much respect there.

[Meso_z]

i was young and naive,,, god of hormones ,,,, showed me the light,,,

You actually think hes natural?  I thought you were smarter than that.