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Help with cycle/ estrogen
« on: August 05, 2010, 12:26:53 AM »
Guys. I am confused.
The problem: I'm limp (even with a cialis)

The cycle. Almost 5 months on enanthate at 500mgs week. Was 750.
Also now on 500 mgs cypionate.
Some EQ, prop, and recently winni and a liquid form of anavar (ox50)
I felt a bit fucked up all of a sudden about a week ago so I started arimidex and nolva 20 mgs ed. 50 mgs ed of clomid. It has been a week and I'm not feeling much change. Any suggestions???
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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 04:06:51 AM »
You're probably using UG shit that's why. 

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 05:56:32 AM »
Most of the gear is ug at the moment. Started off with pharmaceutical, u have a good point. But now how do I solve the issue at hand?

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 09:46:09 AM »
pun intended?

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 11:56:20 AM »
I get a kick out of how the members on this site are so stuck on UG. There are a lot of great UG products out there. UG gear would have absolutely nothing to do with this problem. If the AI's/serms were UG and not dosed correct then that may be a problem. If the AI's/serms are dosed correct maybe it's just time to come off for a while, or lower the dose. Whats the EQ dose? Hows the diet, and water intake? Are you getting your sleep? Its only been a week so keep up on the AI's for a bit longer. Also what are the doses on the AI/SERM?

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 12:56:40 PM »
Eq was 300mg, I was taking 400 ew split into 2 doses
Diet has been clean. I went from 245lbs @17.3% body fat to 236 @ 12% bf in a 3 month period and did zero cardio So diet and product r working well together. That was last checked a month ago.
I could always use a bit more h20 and I don't get much sleep.
I'm not sure if I should go off or go up on dosage.
U asked about the ai/serm, I understand what ai is but what is the serm?
20 mg nolva. 50 mg clomid   I'm out of arimidex. Waiting for more.
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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 01:33:31 PM »
I get a kick out of how the members on this site are so stuck on UG. There are a lot of great UG products out there. UG gear would have absolutely nothing to do with this problem. If the AI's/serms were UG and not dosed correct then that may be a problem. If the AI's/serms are dosed correct maybe it's just time to come off for a while, or lower the dose. Whats the EQ dose? Hows the diet, and water intake? Are you getting your sleep? Its only been a week so keep up on the AI's for a bit longer. Also what are the doses on the AI/SERM?

Yeah you're right UG gear with too much BA/BB, incorrect dosages, a little bacteria here or a little bacteria there, a little bit of lead or cadmium there a little here.  Sure no problem.  It wouldn't have any affect on how someone feels right?  LOL.  Or the fact that most UG arimidex and Letro is probably tamoxifen or clomiphene.  But yeah.....otherwise UG gear doesn't matter. 

I've done enough cycles with both UG and HG gear and I feel completely different when using the latter. 

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 03:53:29 PM »
Tamaxodex 20. By wildcat research labs.
The arimidex was same lab.
Should I toss in some hcg while I'm at it
I was taking 500 iu's maybe once a week for the last 3 or 4 weeks
I have a nice assortment of gear. Most of it UG and have made some significant gains and never an issue.
I have been cycling for many years and never encountered this problem. I'm going to have to think some of the gear is under dosed or just crap.

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 04:57:47 PM »
Bro you need to make sure you know your source especially when it comes to nolvadex and arimidex..IMO you should stop taking everything and follow a good pct to get your levels back to normal..

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 04:59:14 PM »
Yeah you're right UG gear with too much BA/BB, incorrect dosages, a little bacteria here or a little bacteria there, a little bit of lead or cadmium there a little here.  Sure no problem.  It wouldn't have any affect on how someone feels right?  LOL.  Or the fact that most UG arimidex and Letro is probably tamoxifen or clomiphene.  But yeah.....otherwise UG gear doesn't matter. 

I've done enough cycles with both UG and HG gear and I feel completely different when using the latter. 

So thats going to make your dick limp Huh?

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2010, 08:54:45 PM »
Lmaoo^^^ uh there's plenty of good ugl's the problem is every ass hole buys the first thing available to them and wonders why they have problems with It and blames It on the fact its an ugl...now i'm all about using hG gear but as long as you do some homework Your chances of having problems are Alot smaller...and besides who makes human grade mast, tren, eq?? no One! gotta use some ug gear once in a while!! just know Your source and the product before you use It!!

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2010, 06:39:46 AM »
Guys. I am confused.
The problem: I'm limp (even with a cialis)

The cycle. Almost 5 months on enanthate at 500mgs week. Was 750.
Also now on 500 mgs cypionate.
Some EQ, prop, and recently winni and a liquid form of anavar (ox50)
I felt a bit fucked up all of a sudden about a week ago so I started arimidex and nolva 20 mgs ed. 50 mgs ed of clomid. It has been a week and I'm not feeling much change. Any suggestions???
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That is way too many Estrogen controllers.  Drop the clomid and nolva and use the adex.  also the cycle seems big "cyp + enth and some EQ, prop, winni and anavar????"  My God!  Thats 3 different test esters!  Too much test will ruin your libido too, zero estrogen and tons of test equal limp dick and no drive.  i experience the same thing on big cycles. 

Drop the test to 250-500mg a week and thats it with 10 mg nolva a day you should be feeling better in a few weeks.

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2010, 08:24:37 PM »
That is way too many Estrogen controllers.  Drop the clomid and nolva and use the adex.  also the cycle seems big "cyp + enth and some EQ, prop, winni and anavar????"  My God!  Thats 3 different test esters!  Too much test will ruin your libido too, zero estrogen and tons of test equal limp dick and no drive.  i experience the same thing on big cycles. 

Drop the test to 250-500mg a week and thats it with 10 mg nolva a day you should be feeling better in a few weeks.
I'd go with this  :)

Its finding the balance that is correct "for you" Elvis but L2H's advice is a great starting point imo.

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2010, 08:44:15 AM »
Guys, thank you.
I did drop other gear. I changed to another brand of test and already feel the diff.
Thanks again. Very helpful.

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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2010, 11:12:38 AM »
That is way too many Estrogen controllers.  Drop the clomid and nolva and use the adex.  also the cycle seems big "cyp + enth and some EQ, prop, winni and anavar????"  My God!  Thats 3 different test esters!  Too much test will ruin your libido too, zero estrogen and tons of test equal limp dick and no drive.  i experience the same thing on big cycles. 

Drop the test to 250-500mg a week and thats it with 10 mg nolva a day you should be feeling better in a few weeks.
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2010, 11:53:29 AM »
Yeah you're right UG gear with too much BA/BB, incorrect dosages, a little bacteria here or a little bacteria there, a little bit of lead or cadmium there a little here.  Sure no problem.  It wouldn't have any affect on how someone feels right?  LOL.  Or the fact that most UG arimidex and Letro is probably tamoxifen or clomiphene.  But yeah.....otherwise UG gear doesn't matter. 

I've done enough cycles with both UG and HG gear and I feel completely different when using the latter. 

All valid arguments but this is more of a tangent than appreciable advice. I agree that HG is the way to go but it's the compounds he's running IMO and not so much the quality of his gear. I would also agree that just going on some HG test and cutting out all the other steroids, SERMs and AIs would be a good place to start too.

When this happens to me my immediate thought is to bang back a fuckload of test but in all honesty, it's probably best to fall back on a few hundred mgs/ew and just ride it out. Some Cialis or Viagra is helpful if you're on the prowl or have a long term relationship that you don't want to toss on the rocks, but just use it sparingly and as needed. I usually find that I encounter some scares every now and again, but when it comes down to business I always rise to the occasion and fuck like a champ.

I've only ever had 1 time where I couldn't get hard and my gf was too angry to bang. After that I was harder than a diamond in an ice storm with a pissed off woman that was in NO mood to get down and dirty. Be careful when playing with fire. :'(

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2010, 12:26:32 PM »
How about some hcg? Bring up my natural production.

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2010, 12:44:31 PM »
You said you felt a bit "fucked" up, can you comment specifically what was wrong? or was it just the limp issue?

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2010, 05:08:51 PM »
How about some hcg? Bring up my natural production.


Personally I love HCG on cycle. If you want to keep your balls healthy and recover quicker HCG is a must IMO.

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2010, 05:46:16 PM »
4th when you transition into post cycle while using hcg on cycle, should you stop the hcg with your last shot of test enanthate? Or could you run hcg for a week after ur last shot?

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2010, 06:01:23 PM »
4th when you transition into post cycle while using hcg on cycle, should you stop the hcg with your last shot of test enanthate? Or could you run hcg for a week after ur last shot?

Stop the HCG 4 days prior to PCT.

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2010, 09:01:54 PM »
4th, when using hcg during a cycle, how long of a duration would u use it and at what dose?

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2010, 09:37:31 PM »
So thats going to make your dick limp Huh?

If you get what you think is ug eq but is actually ug deca yep! Happens  A LOT!

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Re: Help with cycle/ estrogen
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2010, 08:34:06 AM »
4th, so you would take hcg with your last shot of test and then start post cycle...or do you run your hcg after your last shot

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2010, 09:48:37 AM »
If you get what you think is ug eq but is actually ug deca yep! Happens  A LOT!

Well in this case you would be using a pretty worthless UG right! Doesn't mean all UG's do this. Trust me Ive run enough Deca and EQ to tell the difference. Almost like saying I'm never using HG again because 90% of the amps seen out there are fake.