How To Turn PRO

[BFG]

A couple years back I read a thread by Tom Prince on another forum about how to to turn pro. He didnt include hormone and peptide use on the list. Here is a list of what it takes to become an IFBB pro.

1) Genetics - it is possible to turn pro with crappy genetics, but thats mostly about showing up at the right time at the right contest, etc. Overall, though, you need a good genetic structure for bodybuilding. This means naturally broad shoulders, wide clavicles, and a smaller waist. and obviously the ability to build muscle better than the average person. There are some exceptions to this rule that are current pros.

2) Drug Response - this is basically genetic, but its so important it needs its own category. You need to have a better than average response to anabolics, gorwth hormone and various peptides. A lot of guys try to compensate for average genetic response with higher doses, this only leads to higher side effects and ultimately looking like shit (trey brewer). Lately the trend amongst people with average response genetics is compensating with insulin, sure you will put on muscle but you will also wreck your structure thanks to visceral fat buildup and distention.

I didnt include training because most everyone knows what they are doing in the gym, and even if they dont, pretty much all training programs work especially if you are on drugs.

Cycles to turn Pro

Obviously you need to be on drugs to turn pro. Your cycles should evolve as your body changes and as your level of competition changes so I have outlined some basics...

these are not contest prep cycles, these are offseason cycles to help you put on muscle for your next level of competition. if you cant grow off these cycles and place well in the corresponding league, you can up the dosage or you can face the music that your genetics arent good enough.

Cycle #1 (first cycle ever, before doing first show)
test only for 10-16 weeks, less than a gram

Cycle #2 (assuming you placed well and are now going on to the next phase in the competition chain)
less than a gram of test
add in deca (about 50 percent of test dosage)

Cycle #3 (you placed well again, you are now going into a regional show)
dbol or anadrol
gram of test
600+ deca
tren
gh

Cycle #4 (you placed well, at this level it may take a few tries but now you are going to national level show)
dbol/anadrol
1.5g test
1g deca
eq
tren
gh (10-12 iu's)
igf (cycled)
slin (this is key if you were able to wait this long to use slin..you have a shot at turning pro)

Cycle #5 (pro qualifier, you need to show up looking like a fucking monster. time to go all out...)
abombs/dbol
1.5-2.0g test (if at 2g, break up the esters)
1g+ deca
eq (800+)
tren
gh (15-20 iu)
igf
mgf
pgf
slin
SEO's

Pro Level (time to put on enough muscle for your first pro show)
2g test
deca
eq 1g+
abombs/dbol
20+ iu gh
tren (find a very clean source)
slin (this is now your best friend)
igf
mgf
pgf
SEO's (get used to it)


obviously more exotic compounds are used in contest prep for hardness and conditioning but this is the basic framework and evolution of how someone with good drug response genetics can become a pro. in addition, ancillaries are used dependent on if you need them or not. most guys use adex and nolva year round, add in femara come precontest time, proviron year round etc.

[~UN_$ung~]

good post


most upper level guys i have known, took their test dosage higher into the 3 range, sometimes even 4 or 5 but that goes into the whole overcompensation for bad genetics thing





well there you have it howard. genetics. and response to drugs..............EVERY THING else is just details

[BFG]

yes 3-5g test is not uncommon but what i wrote out as is a drug protocol of someone with very good drug response genetics. Most of the guys on 3+ g test year round never make it into the very top pro ranks, where it is just basically a drug response contest of genetics...

anyone who thinks competitive bodybuilding isnt about who has the best genetic response to drugs and weight training is retarded or delusional.

[~UN_$ung~]

yes 3-5g test is not uncommon but what i wrote out as is a drug protocol of someone with very good drug response genetics. Most of the guys on 3+ g test year round never make it into the very top pro ranks, where it is just basically a drug response contest of genetics...

anyone who thinks competitive bodybuilding isnt about who has the best genetic response to drugs and weight training is retarded or delusional.

100% true



 if some of these bright eyes kids saw how some of these guys ate most of the time during the year (even precontest)........and how some of them workout................. ...not to mention some of their extra-curricular chemical experimentation


they would be shocked................y oung bodybuilders would be gathering in the streets of our nations cities to burn their flex magazine collection.............. .and pretty much ALL their OTC supplements

[Bobby]

glad i never got started in that drug race

going for the health look, under 200lbs

[BIG ACH]

I love all these posts about how to turn pro, or what drugs the pros use, but its all hidden behind an obscure screen name, no identity, no credentials, no nothing!

I'm not saying you are wrong or that you don't know what you are talking about, you may very well be spot on, but why should anyone believe you?  Who are you?  We don't know you?  We don't know what you've done, we don't know how you train or who you train with!

[Bobby]

I love all these posts about how to turn pro, or what drugs the pros use, but its all hidden behind an obscure screen name, no identity, no credentials, no nothing!

I'm not saying you are wrong or that you don't know what you are talking about, you may very well be spot on, but why should anyone believe you?  Who are you?  We don't know you?  We don't know what you've done, we don't know how you train or who you train with!

yes he would be so "popular" if he revealed himself...
que threats from insiders/pros etc... 

[StuartR]

can someone with a scientific background explain what causes the differential in drug response?

[Shockwave]

I love all these posts about how to turn pro, or what drugs the pros use, but its all hidden behind an obscure screen name, no identity, no credentials, no nothing!

I'm not saying you are wrong or that you don't know what you are talking about, you may very well be spot on, but why should anyone believe you?  Who are you?  We don't know you?  We don't know what you've done, we don't know how you train or who you train with!

Thing is Big Ach, if you just appply pure rational thought, common sense says what this guy is saying isnt that far off.

[BFG]

can someone with a scientific background explain what causes the differential in drug response?

simple answer: genetic makeup. androgen receptor binding is very individualized. Peer reviewed studies have shown on a few occasions that proliferation, binding, and activity at androgen receptors located in all points of the body is different from individual to individual.

[tbombz]

lets consider these two gentlemen:


bodybuilder A: takes 750mg test per week, and nothing else. diet is always on point. every workout he adds on a rep or two untill he gets out of the hypertrophy rep range at which point he increases the weight and then starts gradually increasing reps once more untill hes able to lift the new weight for enough reps so that hes out of the hypertrophy zone again.


bodybuilder B: takes 2 grams test per week, 1 gram tren, 20iu's gh, 100ius long acting insulin. diet is always on point.  every workout he uses the same weights, same  exercises, never adds any reps and never overloads his muscles.



who has gained more muscle after a year?

bodybuilder A everytime (disregarding the possibilty of some genetic limitations on bb B or some genetic advantage on bb A)

[~UN_$ung~]

can someone with a scientific background explain what causes the differential in drug response?

What causes one person to be able to maintain a HUGE heroin habit for 40 years, and anothers liver to fail in a year

what cause one person to be able to chain smoke well into their late 90s without incident......and another to develop cancer after just ten years

what causes 2 people to have the same kind of unprotected sex with a HIV + individual, and only one of them to aquire the virus

why do some people go bald

why are some people allergic to things.........


why are some people tall............











its just genetics..............li ke everything else, genetic response to drugs like steroids is just genetic.............

[Parker]

No explanation on how Peter Putnam turned Pro. Or why the ones turning Pro recently tend to be of the "less than stellar genetics" mold.

[~UN_$ung~]

No explanation on how Peter Putnam turned Pro. Or why the ones turning Pro recently tend to be of the "less than stellar genetics" mold.

no everybody knows why...........weider like the blond, blue-eyed, adonis look.

they gave him a pass with a procard, and figured he would at least look decent..............he looked like garbage, and his frizzy blond hair couldnt save him

[tbombz]

once more for the folks who follow bfg/gh15 like gospel..

lets consider these two gentlemen:


bodybuilder A: takes 750mg test per week, and nothing else. diet is always on point. every workout he adds on a rep or two untill he gets out of the hypertrophy rep range at which point he increases the weight and then starts gradually increasing reps once more untill hes able to lift the new weight for enough reps so that hes out of the hypertrophy zone again.


bodybuilder B: takes 2 grams test per week, 1 gram tren, 20iu's gh, 100ius long acting insulin. diet is always on point.  every workout he uses the same weights, same  exercises, never adds any reps and never overloads his muscles.



who has gained more muscle after a year?

bodybuilder A everytime (disregarding the possibilty of some genetic limitations on bb B or some genetic advantage on bb A)

[dr.chimps]

BFG!? Big Friendly Giant? Roald Dahl fan?

[G_Thang]

what was this guy's cycle? this will get you a pro today.  i know he wasnt on all that BS.

[BIG ACH]

I never said I think what this guy is saying is far fetched.  Actually I specifically said, maybe he's spot on.... I really don't know.  I don't use drugs, and really don't know anything about them or how they work.

All I'm saying is that we keep seeing so many posts like this, but its all hidden personalities.  How do we know he's not some twink hiding behind a computer!  Him and all the other nameless gurus!

[gh15]

friends,,it is very important you understand that what this fella spits is partial truth spoken from non professional,,i actually read the posting and i can garentee you that its just some member like tropopin or one of the amatures who decided to try to do a gh spin ,,there is really not much he can write because bodybuilding is about drugs and all already was explained by gh15,,so anything his time is limited same as his postings,,he will get bored and be gone ,,the problem is he doesnt say the truth,,he is gathering partial info from the bible inaddition to some guru talk he been doing on internet boards,,this is NOT hands on and it is MISGUIDED,,

we do NOT use the peptides mentioned mgf and pgf we DO NOT use that garbage,,the hormone you get from china is junk,,just not stable,,this is a selling stand point,,most likely a fella on boards who sell peptides,,,use your brain

now,,we also do not have gudlines of how to turn professionals,,the rules this fella put are NOT i repeat not true,,we use dianabol as the main drug to start with along with test ,,,then everything is game,,infact many start with everything to begin with ,,,there is no rules beside genetics respond TO HUMAN GRADE HORMONES and some products that are vet and powders that get from very very trusted sources,,again we ALWAYS USE HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA,,

the genetics respond to hormones got to be there other wise liek this fella you will be stuck doing nationals and placing 15th out of 16,,this is important for you to understandmm

now just so its clear the doosages matter big time,,especially the gh,,amatur light heavys already take in the 20s iu of gh,,another misinformation he gave you is the insulin ,,the big preggo is due to the COMBIINATION OF INSULIN AND GH NTO ONLY INSULIN ,,ONLY THE COMBO OF SLIN AND GH AT HIGH DOSES WILL CREATE THE DISTENDED STOMACK,,

LASTLY ,,YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MANY MANY FELLAS ON THIS BOARD ARE GATHERING HERE FROM THE MANY BOARDS OF BODYBUILDING AND STEROID BOARDS ON THE INTERNET,,THEY ARE ALL HERE ON THIS BOARD,,,MANY ENEMIES OF GH15 ,,MANY FELLAS LIKE DELTA WHO IS ON MANY OTHER BOARDS BUT MANY OTHERS TOO,,THEY BENEFIT OUT OF THE SELLING OF DRUGS ,,THEY ARE SOURCES OF UG GARBAGE ,,THEY SOURCE A LOT OF STUFF FROM CHINA ,,POSION SHIT THAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY,,THEY SIT ON BOARDS AND DISCUSS CYCLES OF MDROLS AND HDROLS AND DIANABOL AND ANADROL ALL TOGETHER WITH TRENBOLONE AND TESTOSTERONE ALL ALONG THEIR GIRL AND WIFE DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY LIVE WITH THEM,,THOSE FELLAS ARE CRIMINALS ,, THEY LIE TO THE FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,

YOU GOT HERE ON THIS BOARD THE ROCH KID,,CROACH? IN ANY CASE,,HE IS A LITTLE LIAR IN COMPARISON TO THOSE DUDES,,A FELLA LIKE CROACH IS ON CONSTANT USE OF HORMONES ,,YET COME HERE AND LIE AND LIE TO YOUR FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,ALL ALONG HAVING THE PHYSIQE OF AN AVARAGE GYM RAT ON AAS,,YOU KNOW THOSE ONES WHO USE SUPERDROL AND PROP WITH SOME VAR AND WINNY,,BUT HE IS SMALL LIAR ,,THEN AGAIN IF THIS A SMALL LIAR JUST IMAGINE WHAT A BIG LIAR IS ,,YOU GOT IT ALL OVER ,,THIS CULT IS IN THE WORST SITUATION EVER,,

BODYBUILDING IS BECOMING A CRIMINAL CULT WHERE THE SO CALLED ATHLETES ARE THEMSELVES FELLONS ,,AN ADDITION OF SOME BALONIE FROM BGF DOESNT HELP FRIENDS,,

gh15 approved

[LMV]

friends,,it is very important you understand that what this fella spits is partial truth spoken from non professional,,i actually read the posting and i can garentee you that its just some member like tropopin or one of the amatures who decided to try to do a gh spin ,,there is really not much he can write because bodybuilding is about drugs and all already was explained by gh15,,so anything his time is limited same as his postings,,he will get bored and be gone ,,the problem is he doesnt say the truth,,he is gathering partial info from the bible inaddition to some guru talk he been doing on internet boards,,this is NOT hands on and it is MISGUIDED,,

we do NOT use the peptides mentioned mgf and pgf we DO NOT use that garbage,,the hormone you get from china is junk,,just not stable,,this is a selling stand point,,most likely a fella on boards who sell peptides,,,use your brain

now,,we also do not have gudlines of how to turn professionals,,the rules this fella put are NOT i repeat not true,,we use dianabol as the main drug to start with along with test ,,,then everything is game,,infact many start with everything to begin with ,,,there is no rules beside genetics respond TO HUMAN GRADE HORMONES and some products that are vet and powders that get from very very trusted sources,,again we ALWAYS USE HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA,,

the genetics respond to hormones got to be there other wise liek this fella you will be stuck doing nationals and placing 15th out of 16,,this is important for you to understandmm

now just so its clear the doosages matter big time,,especially the gh,,amatur light heavys already take in the 20s iu of gh,,another misinformation he gave you is the insulin ,,the big preggo is due to the COMBIINATION OF INSULIN AND GH NTO ONLY INSULIN ,,ONLY THE COMBO OF SLIN AND GH AT HIGH DOSES WILL CREATE THE DISTENDED STOMACK,,

LASTLY ,,YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MANY MANY FELLAS ON THIS BOARD ARE GATHERING HERE FROM THE MANY BOARDS OF BODYBUILDING AND STEROID BOARDS ON THE INTERNET,,THEY ARE ALL HERE ON THIS BOARD,,,MANY ENEMIES OF GH15 ,,MANY FELLAS LIKE DELTA WHO IS ON MANY OTHER BOARDS BUT MANY OTHERS TOO,,THEY BENEFIT OUT OF THE SELLING OF DRUGS ,,THEY ARE SOURCES OF UG GARBAGE ,,THEY SOURCE A LOT OF STUFF FROM CHINA ,,POSION SHIT THAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY,,THEY SIT ON BOARDS AND DISCUSS CYCLES OF MDROLS AND HDROLS AND DIANABOL AND ANADROL ALL TOGETHER WITH TRENBOLONE AND TESTOSTERONE ALL ALONG THEIR GIRL AND WIFE DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY LIVE WITH THEM,,THOSE FELLAS ARE CRIMINALS ,, THEY LIE TO THE FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,

YOU GOT HERE ON THIS BOARD THE ROCH KID,,CROACH? IN ANY CASE,,HE IS A LITTLE LIAR IN COMPARISON TO THOSE DUDES,,A FELLA LIKE CROACH IS ON CONSTANT USE OF HORMONES ,,YET COME HERE AND LIE AND LIE TO YOUR FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,ALL ALONG HAVING THE PHYSIQE OF AN AVARAGE GYM RAT ON AAS,,YOU KNOW THOSE ONES WHO USE SUPERDROL AND PROP WITH SOME VAR AND WINNY,,BUT HE IS SMALL LIAR ,,THEN AGAIN IF THIS A SMALL LIAR JUST IMAGINE WHAT A BIG LIAR IS ,,YOU GOT IT ALL OVER ,,THIS CULT IS IN THE WORST SITUATION EVER,,

BODYBUILDING IS BECOMING A CRIMINAL CULT WHERE THE SO CALLED ATHLETES ARE THEMSELVES FELLONS ,,AN ADDITION OF SOME BALONIE FROM BGF DOESNT HELP FRIENDS,,

gh15 approved

fukkin A right durr !

add some niburu and alien conspiracies and i'm all ready to lube up

[G_Thang]

friends,,it is very important you understand that what this fella spits is partial truth spoken from non professional,,i actually read the posting and i can garentee you that its just some member like tropopin or one of the amatures who decided to try to do a gh spin ,,there is really not much he can write because bodybuilding is about drugs and all already was explained by gh15,,so anything his time is limited same as his postings,,he will get bored and be gone ,,the problem is he doesnt say the truth,,he is gathering partial info from the bible inaddition to some guru talk he been doing on internet boards,,this is NOT hands on and it is MISGUIDED,,

we do NOT use the peptides mentioned mgf and pgf we DO NOT use that garbage,,the hormone you get from china is junk,,just not stable,,this is a selling stand point,,most likely a fella on boards who sell peptides,,,use your brain

now,,we also do not have gudlines of how to turn professionals,,the rules this fella put are NOT i repeat not true,,we use dianabol as the main drug to start with along with test ,,,then everything is game,,infact many start with everything to begin with ,,,there is no rules beside genetics respond TO HUMAN GRADE HORMONES and some products that are vet and powders that get from very very trusted sources,,again we ALWAYS USE HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA,,

the genetics respond to hormones got to be there other wise liek this fella you will be stuck doing nationals and placing 15th out of 16,,this is important for you to understandmm

now just so its clear the doosages matter big time,,especially the gh,,amatur light heavys already take in the 20s iu of gh,,another misinformation he gave you is the insulin ,,the big preggo is due to the COMBIINATION OF INSULIN AND GH NTO ONLY INSULIN ,,ONLY THE COMBO OF SLIN AND GH AT HIGH DOSES WILL CREATE THE DISTENDED STOMACK,,

LASTLY ,,YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MANY MANY FELLAS ON THIS BOARD ARE GATHERING HERE FROM THE MANY BOARDS OF BODYBUILDING AND STEROID BOARDS ON THE INTERNET,,THEY ARE ALL HERE ON THIS BOARD,,,MANY ENEMIES OF GH15 ,,MANY FELLAS LIKE DELTA WHO IS ON MANY OTHER BOARDS BUT MANY OTHERS TOO,,THEY BENEFIT OUT OF THE SELLING OF DRUGS ,,THEY ARE SOURCES OF UG GARBAGE ,,THEY SOURCE A LOT OF STUFF FROM CHINA ,,POSION SHIT THAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY,,THEY SIT ON BOARDS AND DISCUSS CYCLES OF MDROLS AND HDROLS AND DIANABOL AND ANADROL ALL TOGETHER WITH TRENBOLONE AND TESTOSTERONE ALL ALONG THEIR GIRL AND WIFE DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY LIVE WITH THEM,,THOSE FELLAS ARE CRIMINALS ,, THEY LIE TO THE FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,

YOU GOT HERE ON THIS BOARD THE ROCH KID,,CROACH? IN ANY CASE,,HE IS A LITTLE LIAR IN COMPARISON TO THOSE DUDES,,A FELLA LIKE CROACH IS ON CONSTANT USE OF HORMONES ,,YET COME HERE AND LIE AND LIE TO YOUR FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,ALL ALONG HAVING THE PHYSIQE OF AN AVARAGE GYM RAT ON AAS,,YOU KNOW THOSE ONES WHO USE SUPERDROL AND PROP WITH SOME VAR AND WINNY,,BUT HE IS SMALL LIAR ,,THEN AGAIN IF THIS A SMALL LIAR JUST IMAGINE WHAT A BIG LIAR IS ,,YOU GOT IT ALL OVER ,,THIS CULT IS IN THE WORST SITUATION EVER,,

BODYBUILDING IS BECOMING A CRIMINAL CULT WHERE THE SO CALLED ATHLETES ARE THEMSELVES FELLONS ,,AN ADDITION OF SOME BALONIE FROM BGF DOESNT HELP FRIENDS,,

gh15 approved

usually i try to expose you but this is good response to used tire salesmen...BF Goldshit.  maybe you 2 should start a thread and compare notes...but i'd say most of the stuff he posts does look like standard stuff copied off of the roid board.

GFraud15 Approved.    

[Howard]

friends,,it is very important you understand that what this fella spits is partial truth spoken from non professional,,i actually read the posting and i can garentee you that its just some member like tropopin or one of the amatures who decided to try to do a gh spin ,,there is really not much he can write because bodybuilding is about drugs and all already was explained by gh15,,so anything his time is limited same as his postings,,he will get bored and be gone ,,the problem is he doesnt say the truth,,he is gathering partial info from the bible inaddition to some guru talk he been doing on internet boards,,this is NOT hands on and it is MISGUIDED,,

we do NOT use the peptides mentioned mgf and pgf we DO NOT use that garbage,,the hormone you get from china is junk,,just not stable,,this is a selling stand point,,most likely a fella on boards who sell peptides,,,use your brain

now,,we also do not have gudlines of how to turn professionals,,the rules this fella put are NOT i repeat not true,,we use dianabol as the main drug to start with along with test ,,,then everything is game,,infact many start with everything to begin with ,,,there is no rules beside genetics respond TO HUMAN GRADE HORMONES and some products that are vet and powders that get from very very trusted sources,,again we ALWAYS USE HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONA,,

the genetics respond to hormones got to be there other wise liek this fella you will be stuck doing nationals and placing 15th out of 16,,this is important for you to understandmm

now just so its clear the doosages matter big time,,especially the gh,,amatur light heavys already take in the 20s iu of gh,,another misinformation he gave you is the insulin ,,the big preggo is due to the COMBIINATION OF INSULIN AND GH NTO ONLY INSULIN ,,ONLY THE COMBO OF SLIN AND GH AT HIGH DOSES WILL CREATE THE DISTENDED STOMACK,,

LASTLY ,,YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MANY MANY FELLAS ON THIS BOARD ARE GATHERING HERE FROM THE MANY BOARDS OF BODYBUILDING AND STEROID BOARDS ON THE INTERNET,,THEY ARE ALL HERE ON THIS BOARD,,,MANY ENEMIES OF GH15 ,,MANY FELLAS LIKE DELTA WHO IS ON MANY OTHER BOARDS BUT MANY OTHERS TOO,,THEY BENEFIT OUT OF THE SELLING OF DRUGS ,,THEY ARE SOURCES OF UG GARBAGE ,,THEY SOURCE A LOT OF STUFF FROM CHINA ,,POSION SHIT THAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY,,THEY SIT ON BOARDS AND DISCUSS CYCLES OF MDROLS AND HDROLS AND DIANABOL AND ANADROL ALL TOGETHER WITH TRENBOLONE AND TESTOSTERONE ALL ALONG THEIR GIRL AND WIFE DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY ACTUALLY LIVE WITH THEM,,THOSE FELLAS ARE CRIMINALS ,, THEY LIE TO THE FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,

YOU GOT HERE ON THIS BOARD THE ROCH KID,,CROACH? IN ANY CASE,,HE IS A LITTLE LIAR IN COMPARISON TO THOSE DUDES,,A FELLA LIKE CROACH IS ON CONSTANT USE OF HORMONES ,,YET COME HERE AND LIE AND LIE TO YOUR FACE WITH OUT EVEN BLINKING,,ALL ALONG HAVING THE PHYSIQE OF AN AVARAGE GYM RAT ON AAS,,YOU KNOW THOSE ONES WHO USE SUPERDROL AND PROP WITH SOME VAR AND WINNY,,BUT HE IS SMALL LIAR ,,THEN AGAIN IF THIS A SMALL LIAR JUST IMAGINE WHAT A BIG LIAR IS ,,YOU GOT IT ALL OVER ,,THIS CULT IS IN THE WORST SITUATION EVER,,

BODYBUILDING IS BECOMING A CRIMINAL CULT WHERE THE SO CALLED ATHLETES ARE THEMSELVES FELLONS ,,AN ADDITION OF SOME BALONIE FROM BGF DOESNT HELP FRIENDS,,

gh15 approved

No offense and  I am going to be sincere with my comment . In all honesty , what the hell was that rambling diatribe of a post about? What is your point? Sum it up in a few senetences maybe? woah?

[Nirvana]

I agree with BIG ACH,

Who the fuck are these local getbig gurus, who taught them where do they come from?

If they know all these drug secrets, and since "drugs do it all" why don't we see GH15 and BFG onstage battling for the olympia?