Author Topic: PBW #200 -- The Europa Dallas Report - Plus: Vince Taylor (Listen Now) (Read 72488 times)

Sir Bigness · « **Reply #25 on:** August 16, 2010, 10:00:16 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on August 16, 2010, 09:58:38 PM

As crazy as it is to believe, that picture is new, or at least not very old. It was taken at the 2006 Australia Pro, mere months before Vince turned 50:

http://tinyurl.com/28j9otv

Unreal for an old Fella!! Looks great!!

Matt C · « **Reply #26 on:** August 17, 2010, 12:22:57 AM »

Quote from: Sir Bigness on August 16, 2010, 10:00:16 PM

Unreal for an old Fella!! Looks great!!

Tell me about it, he looks amazing.

He is 54 now and I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to come back.

WillGrant · « **Reply #27 on:** August 17, 2010, 12:43:44 AM »

BHW had some bizzare stories to tell about Vince Im pretty sure

Rich2 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:29:43 AM »

In my opinion, Vince Taylor needs to get a bigger ego. He's still looking for approval, even now when most BBing fans DO consider him a legend. The thing I always liked about Rich Gaspari was that he never acted like he wanted your respect, he just went out and got it regardless of what you thought about him. Even in the mid 90s/early 00s when Gaspari's name had faded quite a bit he never bitched about anything, just kept working on his business. Then BOOM, Gaspari Nutrition is a household name in the supplement game, and Rich is baller again.

Vince likes to play the role of the victim, and when you play that role too long people begin to see you as one.

C'mon man, when you act like a champ people talk about you like a champ. All victims get is pity.

240 is Back · « **Reply #29 on:** August 17, 2010, 06:04:59 AM »

Quote from: AVBG on August 16, 2010, 06:32:07 PM

totally agree. Taylor is a hall of fame calibre bodybuilder. props to Dan and the team to getting to 200 episodes.

you could ask 100 BBing fans who the top 10 bodybuilders of all time were. Chances are, Taylor wouldn't be on many of their lists. Guys with far fewer wins - Levrone, Ray, Gaspari, Labrada, Wheeler - would probably be before him on the list. (Not even counting the O winners)

AVBG · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2010, 06:10:10 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on August 17, 2010, 06:04:59 AM

you could ask 100 BBing fans who the top 10 bodybuilders of all time were. Chances are, Taylor wouldn't be on many of their lists. Guys with far fewer wins - Levrone, Ray, Gaspari, Labrada, Wheeler - would probably be before him on the list. (Not even counting the O winners)

despite all that his arms and calves are world class freak..who dominated the masters O, a legacy on it's own.

_bruce_ · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2010, 06:39:31 AM »

Legend.

Cleanest Natural · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2010, 06:50:42 AM »

delta9mda · « **Reply #33 on:** August 17, 2010, 06:57:34 AM »

Quote from: ~UN_$ung~ on August 16, 2010, 09:19:56 PM

those calves are sick in that photo......rarely do you see those high black guy claves get that big, look like grapefruits

probably a lil' oil assisted

absolutely wrong. vince doesnt have the high calves and no there is no oil in those. look at his 88 nationals pics upto current pics and anything in-between, no diff. vince does not have oil in his calves.

myt1 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 17, 2010, 07:00:59 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on August 16, 2010, 05:51:58 PM

The guy has the 3rd most wins of all time... yet these other guys (levrone, ray, wheeler, cormier) are almost always mentioned first - and they're from the same era.

They are mentioned first because they all were better. Most of Vince's wins appear to have come from Grand Prix shows. Only 7 wins at the shows in the states that are more competitive. (I'm not counting the Masters stuff, cuz the competition isn't the same) Out of those, only 4 wins would be considered to be wins at the "high caliber" shows. 2 Ironman's, The Arnold, and N.O.C.

Again, great bodybuilder but he got all the attention he deserved and then some. Having so many wins doesn't mean he was better than those guys, he just competed more and at places he knew he could win. The other guys mostly went for the big shows with higher quality competition. I will say though, that he deserves extra props for being able to compete so many damn times though. Damn!

2007 Arnold Classic, 10th
2007 Australian Pro, 3rd
2006 Mr. Olympia - 11th
2006 Australian Pro - 3rd
2002 Masters Olympia - 2nd
2001 Masters Olympia - 1st
2000 Masters Olympia - 1st
1999 Masters Olympia - IFBB, 1st
1999 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 6th
1998 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1998 Arnold Classic - IFBB, Masters, 1st
1998 Masters Arnold - IFBB, Winner
1997 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 5th
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic - IFBB, 7th
1997 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 7th
1997 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 6th
1997 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 9th
1997 Grand Prix Hungary - IFBB, 9th
1997 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 6th
1997 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 8th
1997 Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Overall Winner
1997 Mr. Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Masters 40+, 1st
1996 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 4th
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic - IFBB, 4th
1996 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 7th
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 5th
1996 Mr. Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Winner
1996 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1995 Grand Prix England - IFBB, Winner
1995 Grand Prix France - IFBB, Winner
1995 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
1995 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Ukraine - IFBB, Winner
1995 Houston Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1995 Night of Champions - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1994 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1993 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1993 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 2nd
1993 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1993 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1993 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1992 Arnold Classic - IFBB, Winner
1992 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1992 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 6th
1992 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1991 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1991 Grand Prix Denmark - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 2nd
1991 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, Winner
1991 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 5th
1991 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1991 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1989 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 2nd
1989 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 2nd
1989 Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 4th
1989 Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1989 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1988 Nationals - NPC, Overall Winner
1988 Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 1st
1987 Mr America - AAU, Medium, 1st
1987 Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 4th
1983 Mr. Berlin Heavy Weight - 1st

G_Thang · « **Reply #35 on:** August 17, 2010, 07:04:01 AM »

vince is noted for having some of the best old school calves before this oil BS...so wtf yall talking about? vince came up orange cty with melvin (underachiever) and shawn (cover boy) via john brown. he has a lot of wins (mostly 10k shows like cormier and charles) but shawn worked to get his face on the covers...so he is the guy who will be remembered even 10 yrs from now. john brown always said shawn was the best of the pack, shawn's muscles responded to weights and gear the best. i think john's guys are about ole school lifting. it's too bad john brown didnt get flex via the shawn connection...so he may have reached his potential and been a 2-3 MrO because he was right there to beat Ronnie.

wild willie · « **Reply #36 on:** August 17, 2010, 08:31:36 AM »

Quote from: ~UN_$ung~ on August 16, 2010, 09:19:56 PM

those calves are sick in that photo......rarely do you see those high black guy claves get that big, look like grapefruits

probably a lil' oil assisted

there is no oil in those calves......go back to photos from the late 80s and early 90s......he had those calves back then.

wild willie · « **Reply #37 on:** August 17, 2010, 08:37:55 AM »

Quote from: Rich2 on August 17, 2010, 01:29:43 AM

In my opinion, Vince Taylor needs to get a bigger ego. He's still looking for approval, even now when most BBing fans DO consider him a legend. The thing I always liked about Rich Gaspari was that he never acted like he wanted your respect, he just went out and got it regardless of what you thought about him. Even in the mid 90s/early 00s when Gaspari's name had faded quite a bit he never bitched about anything, just kept working on his business. Then BOOM, Gaspari Nutrition is a household name in the supplement game, and Rich is baller again.

Vince likes to play the role of the victim, and when you play that role too long people begin to see you as one.

C'mon man, when you act like a champ people talk about you like a champ. All victims get is pity.

Rich Gaspari couldn't carry Vince Taylor's jock strap......Gaspari is, was, and always will be a prima donna.....I spent 5 days with Rich at his home in Jersey......he bad mouthed many champs and he felt he was going to make this big comeback......that being said.....he did have great calves, traps, back detail and conditioning.....but the guy was not pleasing to the eye....he also contradicted himself regarding training...he always preached form over poundage....and then the guy picks up 80s for laterals and swings them up...no control whatsoever....he was unreal as far as vascularity and conditioning....but he was no Vince Taylor or Bob Paris.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #38 on:** August 17, 2010, 08:42:00 AM »

he had small quads

says a lot about a man

Rich2 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 17, 2010, 09:14:33 AM »

Quote from: wild willie on August 17, 2010, 08:37:55 AM

Rich Gaspari couldn't carry Vince Taylor's jock strap......Gaspari is, was, and always will be a prima donna.....I spent 5 days with Rich at his home in Jersey......he bad mouthed many champs and he felt he was going to make this big comeback......that being said.....he did have great calves, traps, back detail and conditioning.....but the guy was not pleasing to the eye....he also contradicted himself regarding training...he always preached form over poundage....and then the guy picks up 80s for laterals and swings them up...no control whatsoever....he was unreal as far as vascularity and conditioning....but he was no Vince Taylor or Bob Paris.

Maybe, but he's not the one who's begging for sponsorships, b/c he's the one handing'em out.

~UN_$ung~ · « **Reply #40 on:** August 17, 2010, 09:24:32 AM »

Quote from: delta9mda on August 17, 2010, 06:57:34 AM

absolutely wrong. vince doesnt have the high calves and no there is no oil in those. look at his 88 nationals pics upto current pics and anything in-between, no diff. vince does not have oil in his calves.

yeah, those arent high calves.............

240 is Back · « **Reply #41 on:** August 17, 2010, 10:23:16 AM »

Shawn Ray or Kevrone probably could have had more wins, but they didn't spend every year on the pro circuit like Vince, nor did they compete as old as he did.

IMO, if you put peak Levrone and Ray and Wheeler in the lineup with Vince Taylor, he'd be 4th. He's one of the greats, hall of fame caliber no doubt, but he has more wins just because he did more shows.

crownshep · « **Reply #42 on:** August 17, 2010, 10:34:34 AM »

I posted pics of Vince a couple of years ago from the 88 nationals and his calves were like that back then,theres no oil in them.

crownshep · « **Reply #43 on:** August 17, 2010, 10:37:48 AM »

Calf training.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1mo5r_vince-taylor-bfto-2006-part-three_sport

American Muscle · « **Reply #44 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:15:48 AM »

Is there oil in those calves?

Figo · « **Reply #45 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:18:25 AM »

Quote from: crownshep on August 17, 2010, 10:34:34 AM

I posted pics of Vince a couple of years ago from the 88 nationals and his calves were like that back then,theres no oil in them.

yep. and theyre not small. huge arms and calves
dont know if its true, but heard he had 18 in arms shortly after starting to train, if thats the case, thats some genes
also, not known as a very "hard" trainer, mainly cables and machine work

Figo · « **Reply #46 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:25:14 AM »

Quote from: wild willie on August 17, 2010, 08:37:55 AM

Rich Gaspari couldn't carry Vince Taylor's jock strap......Gaspari is, was, and always will be a prima donna.....I spent 5 days with Rich at his home in Jersey......he bad mouthed many champs and he felt he was going to make this big comeback......that being said.....he did have great calves, traps, back detail and conditioning.....but the guy was not pleasing to the eye....he also contradicted himself regarding training...he always preached form over poundage....and then the guy picks up 80s for laterals and swings them up...no control whatsoever....he was unreal as far as vascularity and conditioning....but he was no Vince Taylor or Bob Paris.

thats great, what year was it?
you know, these guys are all human, just like you and me, not perfect, sure, they're pros and you'd expect them to act professional, but they're people with opinions...and he is from Jersey...
Gaspari must've been a sight to behold in person back in the day!

Papper · « **Reply #47 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:53:44 AM »

I always liked Vince's physique very much, very proportional and aesthetic.

Probably lacked that little freak factor that is needed to be a reoccuring topic on bb-boards much like Haney.

myt1 · « **Reply #48 on:** August 17, 2010, 04:10:21 PM »

In the PBW sticky thread 240 called him the most underrated pro ever, and I disagreed. My argument being...

"Quote from: 240 is Back on August 16, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
The guy has the 3rd most wins of all time... yet these other guys (levrone, ray, wheeler, cormier) are almost always mentioned first - and they're from the same era."

They are mentioned first because they all were better. Most of Vince's wins appear to have come from Grand Prix shows. Only 7 wins at the shows in the states that are more competitive. (I'm not counting the Masters stuff, cuz the competition isn't the same) Out of those, only 4 wins would be considered to be wins at the "high caliber" shows. 2 Ironman's, The Arnold, and N.O.C.

Again, great bodybuilder but he got all the attention he deserved and then some. Having so many wins doesn't mean he was better than those guys, he just competed more and at places he knew he could win. The other guys mostly went for the big shows with higher quality competition. I will say though, that he deserves extra props for being able to compete so many damn times though. Damn!

2007 Arnold Classic, 10th
2007 Australian Pro, 3rd
2006 Mr. Olympia - 11th
2006 Australian Pro - 3rd
2002 Masters Olympia - 2nd
2001 Masters Olympia - 1st
2000 Masters Olympia - 1st
1999 Masters Olympia - IFBB, 1st
1999 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 6th
1998 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1998 Arnold Classic - IFBB, Masters, 1st
1998 Masters Arnold - IFBB, Winner
1997 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 5th
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic - IFBB, 7th
1997 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 7th
1997 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 6th
1997 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 9th
1997 Grand Prix Hungary - IFBB, 9th
1997 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 6th
1997 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 8th
1997 Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Overall Winner
1997 Mr. Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Masters 40+, 1st
1996 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 4th
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic - IFBB, 4th
1996 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 7th
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 5th
1996 Mr. Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Winner
1996 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1995 Grand Prix England - IFBB, Winner
1995 Grand Prix France - IFBB, Winner
1995 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
1995 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Ukraine - IFBB, Winner
1995 Houston Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1995 Night of Champions - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1994 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1993 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1993 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 2nd
1993 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1993 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1993 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1992 Arnold Classic - IFBB, Winner
1992 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1992 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 6th
1992 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1991 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1991 Grand Prix Denmark - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 2nd
1991 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, Winner
1991 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 5th
1991 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1991 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1989 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 2nd
1989 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 2nd
1989 Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 4th
1989 Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1989 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1988 Nationals - NPC, Overall Winner
1988 Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 1st
1987 Mr America - AAU, Medium, 1st
1987 Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 4th
1983 Mr. Berlin Heavy Weight - 1st

myt1 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 17, 2010, 04:13:48 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on August 17, 2010, 10:23:16 AM

Shawn Ray or Kevrone probably could have had more wins, but they didn't spend every year on the pro circuit like Vince, nor did they compete as old as he did.

IMO, if you put peak Levrone and Ray and Wheeler in the lineup with Vince Taylor, he'd be 4th. He's one of the greats, hall of fame caliber no doubt, but he has more wins just because he did more shows.

Does this mean I helped you to see the light?

Add in peak Haney, Francois, Dillet, Nasser, Yates, and probably a few others and he is lucky to be top 10 in an O lineup with him and everyone else on point during his day.