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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #100 on: September 16, 2010, 11:56:20 AM »
so basically your answer is that even Obama's own words, objective facts, reality on the ground, are never enough for you to concede defeat or failure? 

Seriously, I have never encountered a more delusional, obtuse, brain dead, and ignorant person as yourself. 

The best part is that his vote cancels out the vote of someone with an IQ over 50.  :-\

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #101 on: September 16, 2010, 11:56:33 AM »
so basically your answer is that even Obama's own words, objective facts, reality on the ground, are never enough for you to concede defeat or failure? 

Seriously, I have never encountered a more delusional, obtuse, brain dead, and ignorant person as yourself. 

I understand

nuance is hard on you

black and white is much easier


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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #102 on: September 16, 2010, 11:58:17 AM »
I understand

nuance is hard on you

black and white is much easier



Where is the freaking nuance?   His website?  Nope? 

His speeches?  Nope? 

his statements leading up to the vote on this sham?  nope? 

Tell me, where is the nuance?  This isnt event remotely close to Kerry's war vote either, so don't pull that BS either.   

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2010, 11:59:40 AM »
Where is the freaking nuance?   His website?  Nope? 

His speeches?  Nope? 

his statements leading up to the vote on this sham?  nope? 

Tell me, where is the nuance?  This isnt event remotely close to Kerry's war vote either, so don't pull that BS either.   

why would there be questions and answer about how and when premiums could go up if they are only supposed to go down forever?

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #104 on: September 16, 2010, 12:01:52 PM »
The health insurance mandate is so unconstitutional, it is amazing that it ever got passed.  I see no way it can be enforced, but if the Supreme Court rules in favor of the mandate, our freedom is gone for good.  Our freedom gives us the right to forego participation in all commerce.  We have the right to just exist.  Obamacare has made that a crime, you have to exist and buy healthcare.  Truly unbelievable that this administration has forced this down our throats, constitution be damned.  Americans will riot before paying a dime.

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #105 on: September 16, 2010, 12:02:40 PM »
why would there be questions and answer about how and when premiums could go up if they are only supposed to go down forever?

 ::)  ::)

Between the videos, the website, the speeches, the pr announcements, etc, only an absolutely dunce like yourself would believe anything other than the fact that Obama was promising premiums and prices would come down.  

Straw - serious question - are you being paid by the WH to post here?  

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #106 on: September 16, 2010, 12:07:12 PM »
The health insurance mandate is so unconstitutional, it is amazing that it ever got passed.  I see no way it can be enforced, but if the Supreme Court rules in favor of the mandate, our freedom is gone for good.  Our freedom gives us the right to forego participation in all commerce.  We have the right to just exist.  Obamacare has made that a crime, you have to exist and buy healthcare.  Truly unbelievable that this administration has forced this down our throats, constitution be damned.  Americans will riot before paying a dime.

According to Straw - GW would agree with this.   ::)   ::)

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #107 on: September 16, 2010, 12:11:08 PM »
why would there be questions and answer about how and when premiums could go up if they are only supposed to go down forever?

The White House website states that everyones rates would go down, the questions and answers that you are referring are the so called safeguards that will be used to keep the rates down in the future. to keep the insurance Carriers from raising them back up in the future. Obama said pass this Bill and they will go down, and once they go down, they will stay down.

Did Obama say premiums would go down ?  Yes !

Does it still today on the White House website state that premiums will do down ?  yes !

Question: Has anyone's rates gone down ?  yes or no ?

Honestly Straw,  you need help.

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #108 on: September 16, 2010, 12:14:01 PM »
::)  ::)

Between the videos, the website, the speeches, the pr announcements, etc, only an absolutely dunce like yourself would believe anything other than the fact that Obama was promising premiums and prices would come down.  

Straw - serious question - are you being paid by the WH to post here?  

yes - I'm paid by the WH to post here

now you asked me a question about nuance and I answered it

the source is from the very same website where you (or someone) pulled the Q & A that has you so upset (today)

why don't you try responding back to that so we can have an actual dialogue?

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #109 on: September 16, 2010, 12:19:27 PM »
The website and Obama both state that everyone rates would go down, the questions and answers that you are referring are the so called safeguards that will be used to keep the rates down in the future. to keep the insurance Carriers from raising them back up in the future. Obama said pass this Bill and they will go down, and once they go down, they will stay down.

Did Obama say premiums would go down ?  Yes !

Does it still today on the White House website state that premiums will do down ?  yes !

Question, Has anyone's rates gone down ?  yes or no ?

Honestly Straw,  you need help.

does the very same website also address scenarios where premium might go up

the answer of cours is YES so why do you ignore that and only look at the one thing that support your pre-conceived rage

Here's another Q &A from that very same page:

Q: What will happen if my insurance company raises my rates?
A: The President’s plan requires public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs, so that you can be certain you are getting the best value for your premium dollars. 

•If your insurance company spends too much of your premium dollars on overhead, such as big salaries, administrative costs and marketing, they will be required to give you a rebate.
•Until the insurance exchange marketplace is up and running, there will be a process for annual reviews of all requested increases in premiums.  Insurance companies that raise rates arbitrarily will not be allowed to sell policies in the new insurance marketplace.   This process continues even once the Exchange is up and running.

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #110 on: September 16, 2010, 12:23:12 PM »
does the very same website also address scenarios where premium might go up

the answer of cours is YES so why do you ignore that and only look at the one thing that support your pre-conceived rage

Here's another Q &A from that very same page:

Q: What will happen if my insurance company raises my rates?
A: The President’s plan requires public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs, so that you can be certain you are getting the best value for your premium dollars.  

•If your insurance company spends too much of your premium dollars on overhead, such as big salaries, administrative costs and marketing, they will be required to give you a rebate.
•Until the insurance exchange marketplace is up and running, there will be a process for annual reviews of all requested increases in premiums.  Insurance companies that raise rates arbitrarily will not be allowed to sell policies in the new insurance marketplace.   This process continues even once the Exchange is up and running.

yes pea brain,  it states the rates will do down, and also discuses the steps the government will use in the future to keep the American Seniors Insurance insurance carriers from unfairly trying to raising them back up.

So once again, the white house website says rates will do down, and they are not going down, just the opposite.



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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #111 on: September 16, 2010, 12:24:31 PM »
does the very same website also address scenarios where premium might go up

the answer of cours is YES so why do you ignore that and only look at the one thing that support your pre-conceived rage

Here's another Q &A from that very same page:

Q: What will happen if my insurance company raises my rates?
A: The President’s plan requires public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs, so that you can be certain you are getting the best value for your premium dollars. 

•If your insurance company spends too much of your premium dollars on overhead, such as big salaries, administrative costs and marketing, they will be required to give you a rebate.
•Until the insurance exchange marketplace is up and running, there will be a process for annual reviews of all requested increases in premiums.  Insurance companies that raise rates arbitrarily will not be allowed to sell policies in the new insurance marketplace.   This process continues even once the Exchange is up and running.

What a pathetic joke you are Straw.   you are the very defintion of lackey and boot-licker if there ever was one. 

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #112 on: September 16, 2010, 12:27:59 PM »
What a pathetic joke you are Straw.   you are the very defintion of lackey and boot-licker if there ever was one. 

putting aside your need to insult me (have I made any insult to you on this thread?)

why don't you try to explain why that question even exists if in your mind Obama had already promised that premiums would only go down

It's on the very same list of Q&A that you (I think it was you) posted earlier

how is that even possible?


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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #113 on: September 16, 2010, 12:28:47 PM »
putting aside your need to insult me (have I made any insult to you on this thread?)

why don't you try to explain why that question even exists if in your mind Obama had already promised that premiums would only go down

It's on the very same list of Q&A that you (I think it was you) posted earlier

how is that even possible?



Once again pea brain, it states the rates will do down, and also discuses the steps the government will use in the future to keep the insurance carriers from unfairly trying to raise them back up.

So once again, the white house website says rates will do down, and they are not going down, just the opposite.

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #114 on: September 16, 2010, 12:32:06 PM »
putting aside your need to insult me (have I made any insult to you on this thread?)

why don't you try to explain why that question even exists if in your mind Obama had already promised that premiums would only go down

It's on the very same list of Q&A that you (I think it was you) posted earlier

how is that even possible?



Straw - its hard discussing anything with you when in the face of irrefutable evidence that Obama promised rates and premiuims and costs would go down, you still kneepad him whe it is plainly obvious that the opposite is occuring. 

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #115 on: September 16, 2010, 12:34:40 PM »
Once again pea brain, it states the rates will do down, and also discuses the steps the government will use in the future to keep the insurance carriers from unfairly trying to raise them back up.

So once again, the white house website says rates will do down, and they are not going down, just the opposite.

it also addresses when and how rates could go up and other nuances associated with rising rates

Yes or No?

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #116 on: September 16, 2010, 12:37:27 PM »
it also addresses when and how rates could go up and other nuances associated with rising rates

Yes or No?

in the future dip shit, (I already discussed this). but it first states that rates will do down. it says it in black and white:

Once again pea brain, it states the rates will do down, and then also discuses the steps the government will use in the future to keep the insurance carriers from unfairly trying to raise them back up.


For the 6th freaking time:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

"What will health reform mean for you?"

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

"premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent."  




Anyone's rates gone down the expected "14 to 20 percent" ?  NO !!!!!!!!

Anyone's rates gone down at all ?   NO !!!!!!!!


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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #117 on: September 16, 2010, 12:38:05 PM »
it also addresses when and how rates could go up and other nuances associated with rising rates

Yes or No?

But rates are going up now fool and he is not doing dick about it other than sending bogus threats via Sebellius.  

this is all while everyone is getting socked with higher costs, and soon massive tax hikes when everyone gets the bill for t tens of millions going on to medicaid.    

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #118 on: September 16, 2010, 01:03:36 PM »
This is like arguing with someone who is unfortunately suffering from Alzheimer's or down's syndrome.

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #119 on: September 16, 2010, 01:11:56 PM »
This is like arguing with someone who is unfortunately suffering from Alzheimer's or down's syndrome.

Straw is a textbook example of the typical far left lib. 

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #120 on: September 16, 2010, 01:24:45 PM »
Straw - you have really had some doozies in threads, but I think this one might actually take the cake. 

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #121 on: September 16, 2010, 02:57:27 PM »
Straw - you have really had some doozies in threads, but I think this one might actually take the cake.  

This thread takes the entire Bakery!

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #122 on: September 16, 2010, 05:25:03 PM »
We need to flag this one for the history books. 

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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #123 on: September 16, 2010, 07:01:01 PM »
     
   .Last Updated: September 16. 2010 1:00AM .Nolan Finley
On Obamacare, Wilson was rude but right


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It was a year ago this month that President Barack Obama stood before a joint session of Congress to confront accusations that his health care overhaul would be a national disaster, raising costs for everyone and putting Medicare at risk.

"Bogus claims," said the president.

"You lie!" shouted Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., from the gallery, in a break from decorum that was roundly and rightly chastised.

A year later, we know that Wilson was pretty much right -- Obama did trash the truth to make his health care train wreck seem as if it sprung from the Big Rock Candy Mountain. The president, who told Congress and the American people his bill would, "slow the growth of health care costs for our families, our businesses, and our government," now admits this isn't true.


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"As a consequence of us getting 30 million additional people health care, at the margins that's going to increase our costs -- we knew that," Obama said last week.

Of course he knew, but he wasn't saying so as he lobbied for the bill's passage. In his 2009 speech, Obama assured Americans the expense of extending coverage to the uninsured would be covered through cost cutting reforms.

In the six months since the president signed the bill, not one significant cost-cutting reform has been adopted. Congress, as predicted, avoided cutting Medicare reimbursement rates, a key component of Obama's projected savings.

Instead of declining, Medicare costs are expected to continue to rise at an average rate of 6.3 percent over the next decade.

And the pain to consumers is already being felt. Next week, the first mandates of Obamacare kick in, and will add 1 percent to 9 percent to insurance premiums.

Those requirements, including the creation of high-risk insurance pools and allowing "children" to stay on their parent's plans until age 26, will boost health expenditures by $10.2 billion over the next 2 1/2 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. Consumers will pay every dime.

Much of Obama's 2009 speech was aimed at reassuring seniors that Medicare as they knew it would not change, except to become more efficient. But the bill is now expected to drive at least 50 percent of seniors out of Medicare Advantage plans, raising their out-of-pocket costs.

At the other end of the age spectrum, the low-premium, high-deductible catastrophic polices favored by students and young adults are also at risk because of the bill's mandates.

So much for Obama's promise that, "Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have."

As for Obama's assurance that he wouldn't put private insurers out of business, his Health and Human Services secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, this week contradicted that claim in warning insurance companies not to blame rate hikes on Obamacare lest they be cut off from government payments. In other words, toe the administration's propaganda line or risk going to the gulag. Even free speech is sacrificed to keep the Big Lie of Obamacare from exposure.

Nearly all of the promises the president made in advance of Obamacare's passage are unraveling.

There's no reason to trust that any of the benefits touted by Obama will materialize, or not to fear that all of the doomsday scenarios -- from rationing to the collapse of the private medical system -- won't.
Joe Wilson, you were rude. But you were right.

Nolan Finley is editorial page editor of The News. Reach him at nfinley@detnews.com.


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100916/OPINION03/9160336/1008/OPINION01/On-Obamacare--Wilson-was-rude-but-right#ixzz0zkR5DZhZ


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Re: Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20% In CT due to ObamaCare
« Reply #124 on: September 17, 2010, 06:39:13 AM »
Straw Man can't possibly recover from this.