CT ok's Health Insurers' rate hikes of up to 47% due to ObamaCare

[Soul Crusher]

333- nice compilation of quotes.

did you notice that they are all before he was even elected, much less before health care legislation was being crafted and then being watered down by Republicans.

thanks to Repubs (and some Dems) we're stuck with a watered down bill that doesn't reach the aspirations that were thrown around on the campaign trail

I know you like to ignore that kind of reality but unfortunately the rest of us are stuck with it

why don't you show me some clips where Obama says he's for "single payer"

we didn't get that either so he must have intentionally lied about it right?

wouldn't that be the simple minded conculsion?

Straw he lied through his teeth on this.  Stop trying to explain it away. 

[James]

333- nice compilation of quotes.

did you notice that they are all before he was even elected, much less before health care legislation was being crafted and then being watered down by Republicans.

thanks to Repubs (and some Dems) we're stuck with a watered down bill that doesn't reach the aspirations that were thrown around on the campaign trail

I know you like to ignore that kind of reality but unfortunately the rest of us are stuck with it

why don't you show me some clips where Obama says he's for "single payer"

we didn't get that either so he must have intentionally lied about it right?

wouldn't that be the simple minded conculsion?

Is this recent enough for you Straw ?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

What will health reform mean for you?

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

    * You will likely pay less---perhaps much less.  If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.
    * In addition, many Americans buying coverage in the individual market will qualify for tax credits that reduce their premiums by an average of nearly 60 percent – and they will get better coverage than what they have today.

[Straw Man]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

What will health reform mean for you?

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.  

    * You will likely pay less---perhaps much less.  If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.
    * In addition, many Americans buying coverage in the individual market will qualify for tax credits that reduce their premiums by an average of nearly 60 percent – and they will get better coverage than what they have today.

I dont' see any guarantee in that quote and I don't see anything that says this alleged increase in CT won't be offset by the tax credit which is also mentioned.   I also find that included in the list of 18 immediate benefits is this statement below which obviously implies that they are aware that rates could still go up

18) Holds Insurance Companies Accountable for Unreasonable Rate Hikes

Creates a grant program to support States in requiring health insurance companies to submit justification for all requested premium increases, and insurance companies with excessive or unjustified premium exchanges may not be able to participate in the new Health Insurance Exchanges.  Starting in plan year 2011.

[Soul Crusher]

I dont' see any guarantee in that quote and I don't see anything that says this alleged increase in CT won't be offset by the tax credit which is also mentioned.   I also find that included in the list of 18 immediate benefits is this statement below which obviously implies that they are aware that rates could still go up

18) Holds Insurance Companies Accountable for Unreasonable Rate Hikes

Creates a grant program to support States in requiring health insurance companies to submit justification for all requested premium increases, and insurance companies with excessive or unjustified premium exchanges may not be able to participate in the new Health Insurance Exchanges.  Starting in plan year 2011.

Straw - please.  Just give it up.  everyone is getting massively hammered now due to ObamaCare and will be in their state taxes once the people get moved to medicaid. 

[James]

I dont' see any guarantee in that quote and I don't see anything that says this alleged increase in CT won't be offset by the tax credit which is also mentioned.   I also find that included in the list of 18 immediate benefits is this statement below which obviously implies that they are aware that rates could still go up

18) Holds Insurance Companies Accountable for Unreasonable Rate Hikes

Creates a grant program to support States in requiring health insurance companies to submit justification for all requested premium increases, and insurance companies with excessive or unjustified premium exchanges may not be able to participate in the new Health Insurance Exchanges.  Starting in plan year 2011.

You really are an idiot

Here is the exact quote from the Whitehouse website in relation to the new law:   "premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent."  

Do you know what is a "premium" Straw ?

[Straw Man]

You really are an idiot

Here is the exact quote from the Whitehorse website in relation to the new law:   "premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent."  

Do you know what is a "premium" Straw ?

I see the quote

it's say "expected" not guaranteed and it also says that tax credtid could be offset the amount of premium by 60%.

btw  did you notice the first line of the story that started this thread;

Health insurers are asking for immediate rate hikes of more than 20 percent in Connecticut for some plans, citing rising medical costs and federal health reform laws as reasons.

[Soul Crusher]

I see the quote

it's say "expected" not guaranteed and it also says that tax credtid could be offset the amount of premium by 60%.

btw  did you notice the first line of the story that started this thread;

  

Straw - you are not a dumb guy at all, and probably better informed than 90% of others were argue with on these boards.   I just don't understand how you can be informed on a lot of these issues and still take the positions you do seeing the real world effects.   

[James]

I see the quote

it's say "expected" not guaranteed and it also says that tax credtid could be offset the amount of premium by 60%.

btw  did you notice the first line of the story that started this thread;

What does it take for you to admit you are wrong ?  

The White House website clearly states that rates will go down.  You just have your head too far up your ass to admit you are wrong.

The only expatiation ( expected) is how much.


Once again,  from the White House website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

"What will health reform mean for you?"

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

[Straw Man]

What does it take for you to admit you are wrong ?  

The White House website clearly states that rates will go down.  You just have your head too far up your ass to admit you are wrong.

The only expatiation ( expected) is how much.

Once again,  from the White House website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

What will health reform mean for you?

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

what would you like me to admit I'm wrong about?

[James]

what would you like me to admit I'm wrong about?

about the fact that Obama said that rates would go down. they are not. He lied.

[Soul Crusher]

Yes he did lie, since he admitted the other day he knew costs would go up after obamaCare was passed. 

Additionally, we are going to get rocked with the 1099 law along with the shifting of tens of millions on to medicaid which is going to drive state taxes threw the freaking roof. 

[Straw Man]

Obama promised that rates would go down. they are not. He lied.

where does obama say he promises that rates would go down?

[James]

where does obama say he promises that rates would go down?

Once again,  from the White House website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

"What will health reform mean for you?"

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

"premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent." 

[Soul Crusher]

where does obama say he promises that rates would go down?

Straw - stop with the dumb act. 

[tonymctones]

wasting your time fellas he wont admit he is wrong...wouldnt do it about being a hypocrite, wouldnt do it about being wrong about the definition of the word hypocrite, abortion rights, gay rights etc...

he simply will not admit he is wrong...

[Straw Man]

Straw - stop with the dumb act. 

how is that statement a "promise" and if rates are supposed to go down then why do they also talk about situation where they go up.

I just see no need to get all bent out of shape over a story that says:

Health insurers are asking for immediate rate hikes of more than 20 percent in Connecticut for some plans, citing rising medical costs and federal health reform laws as reasons.

Both issues — the new federal health care reform and rising medical costs — are significant drivers of the increases, according to filings by insurers with state regulators that were reviewed by The Courant.

It remains to be seen how much of the requests will be approved Many people might not see an increase before Jan. 1, and these proposed changes would largely affect new business, mostly in the individual market..

I do understnd that many people on the right want to feel angry and need to seek out new ways every day to be pissed off and will grasp at anything to do so

nothing new there

[Dos Equis]

LOL!

[Soul Crusher]

how is that statement a "promise" and if rates are supposed to go down then why do they also talk about situation where they go up.

I just see no need to get all bent out of shape over a story that says:

I do understnd that many people on the right want to feel angry and need to seek out new ways every day to be pissed off and will grasp at anything to do so

nothing new there

Straw - you really must be playing a dumb act right? 

i'm serious, i have rarely encountered someone so delusional as youerself. 

[tonymctones]

so I guess bush wasnt wrong about WMD b/c he never "promised" they have them...

wasnt wrong about Iraq and terrorism b/c he never "promised"...

goodness youre an idiot straw 

[Straw Man]

Straw - you really must be playing a dumb act right? 

i'm serious, i have rarely encountered someone so delusional as youerself. 

I'm not playing anything

you and others seem to feel need to be outraged over every little thing you read or hear

I've read the links provided and I've read the story and I don't see anything to get upset about (not as if that's ever stopped you before)

saying they expect something to happen is not a promise and there are many other statements which obviously acknowledge that rates coudl still go up

feel free to keep being outraged but you might want to pace yourself.  

There will be some other shred of nothing which you can get pissed off about tomorrow

[newmom]

Not all of us live in fucking fairfield county in CT. I fucking hope mine doesn't..Fucking state is beyond ridiculous. WTF they doing with all the revenue and money the casinos are giving them..

[tonymctones]

so I guess bush wasnt wrong about WMD b/c he never "promised" they have them...

wasnt wrong about Iraq and terrorism b/c he never "promised"...

goodness youre an idiot straw 

bump for an answer straw man...

[Soul Crusher]

I'm not playing anything

you and others seem to feel need to be outraged over every little thing you read or hear

I've read the links provided and I've read the story and I don't see anything to get upset about (not as if that's ever stopped you before)

saying they expect something to happen is not a promise and there are many other statements which obviously acknowledge that rates coudl still go up

feel free to keep being outraged but you might want to pace yourself.  

There will be some other shred of nothing which you can get pissed off about tomorrow

People are FREAKING PISSED off about getting 20% increases when they were promised for over a year thatt heir costs would go down unless we passed Commie-Care.  are you so utterly delusional not to see that?  

What is wrong with you?  

[Soul Crusher]

Not all of us live in fucking fairfield county in CT. I fucking hope mine doesn't..Fucking state is beyond ridiculous. WTF they doing with all the revenue and money the casinos are giving them..

Linda M. will vote to repeal ObamaCare.  Blumenthal won't. 

[Straw Man]

so I guess bush wasnt wrong about WMD b/c he never "promised" they have them...

wasnt wrong about Iraq and terrorism b/c he never "promised"...

goodness youre an idiot straw 

you seem to be getting desparate now

If if make you feel any better I don't recall Bush making any such "promise" but Cheney said it was pretty much a certainty, and Powell made a huge argument that they existed (though again I don't recall him promising or guaranteeing) and British memo's say the Bush admin was fitting the intel to meet the objective.   We should have left after finding out there were no WMD's
That was the objective right?