I want so bad to jump on board.

[James]

I agree. Beck is only playing on people's fear unlike Ron Paul who actually has something to offer and I'm sure would offer clear details about how to move forward. O'Donnell and Palin are a complete joke.

Of course you agree, you love Obama, you probably have already donated to his 2012 campaign.

[tonymctones]

both you and tony are talking about the tea party like they are an actual differnet party.  They're not... They're running as repbulicans.  I'm sure you both know that so I don't know why you make it sound like they're something other than that. My big problem is that the movement started out under Ron Paul being something that people from all sides could join into and then it quickly somehow shifted to being led by goons like Glenn Beck and Fox News and candidates with masterbation campaigns lol...   It went far right asap and don't think for a second that there wasn't someone out ther working to make that happen bigtime.  In the end the people lose out over that kind of manipulation.

So again, I want on board, but I'm not a fucking moron...  It needs redirected toward what it should be.

LOL i think that they are lumped into the reps b/c one its easier for the left to do that as a way of condemning and demeaning the movement(dont act like this doesnt happen) and 2 b/c like skip said money, infrastructure etc...the tea party movement wouldnt be as wide spread as it is now if not for beck etc...for better or worse and yes when you take on someone like that or his ilk you accept a certain degree of loss of control.

LOL i find it funny b/c of all my friends who do follow politics somewhat not as closely as I have but i have one who the best way to describe this guy would be he loves hannity goes to hannity's shows when he is in town etc...

he started jumping on the tea party band wagon one day and I asked him "i thought you didnt like ron paul?" as we had talked about him before and he seemed detested by him...his response was along the lines of what does ron paul have to do with the tea party I explained how this has been ron pauls message for years now, he said ya something about ya but i really like the entire tea party message to which i asked what other than reducing govt spending and taxes is the tea party message...he conceded they didnt have a message outside of less govt involvement...another ron paul tenent 

[Hugo Chavez]

Of course you agree, you love Obama, you probably have already donated to his 2012 campaign.

you really fault him for what he just said?  Really?  What is this?  Push the first leftly to walk along over the cliff game day?

[James]

you really fault him for what he just said?  Really?  What is this?  Push the first leftly to walk along over the cliff game day?

Unlike you, who I find sincere and honest, Danny still strongly supports Obama, and is not at all interested in anything that might go against Obama.

[Hugo Chavez]

Unlike you, who I find sincere and honest, Danny still strongly supports Obama, and is not at all interested in anything that might go against Obama.

yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone.  You never know when we're going to find common ground.  I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking.  There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now.  Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.

[James]

yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone.  You never know when we're going to find common ground.  I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking.  There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now.  Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.

Come on Hugo, Danny supports Obama in every post, and he is not looking for a "new board to jump on",  not what so ever, as he is 100% happy with being on the Obama board. 

[tonymctones]

yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone.  You never know when we're going to find common ground.  I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking.  There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now.  Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.

huggy the whole premise of you stance is that

both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.

problem is that again most lefties wouldnt agree with this yet...they will just point the finger at bush and the reps

find lefties on this board who criticize obama for being to far left and his horrible policies instead of not being far enough left like many on this board do...

[Danny]

Of course you agree, you love Obama, you probably have already donated to his 2012 campaign.

read my post and try to understand what I agree with. it's highlighted in red...

[James]

read my post and try to understand what I agree with. it's highlighted in red...

Exactly, that is my point. You strongly support Obama, and it is obvious to me (by all your pro-Obama post on here) that  you would not be for any candidate that goes against Obama, and you are not all looking for any new board to jump on,

[Hugo Chavez]

Come on Hugo, Danny supports Obama in every post, and he is not looking for a "new board to jump on",  not what so ever, as he is 100% happy with being on the Obama board. 

I don't think you understood what I was saying. 

So what if he supports Obama?  We really need to get over this petty bullshit and meet on common ground.  I know it's shocking to believe but yes, there actually is common ground.  It's a small portion of the population that's on the extreme left and right.  The majority are forced left and right by the loud mouth fuckers on the extremes.  when someone comes along with something that has room for talk, don't start out with an attack, go ahead and talk with them.  There's nothing wrong with doing that but to draw the line in the sand and just say "YOU SHALL NOT PASSSSSS!!!" only means to me that you're one of the extremes fucking over the country.  Now I'm not saying that's what you are but hope you see what I mean.

[James]

I don't think you understood what I was saying.  

So what if he supports Obama?  We really need to get over this petty bullshit and meet on common ground.  I know it's shocking to believe but yes, there actually is common ground.  It's a small portion of the population that's on the extreme left and right.  The majority are forced left and right by the loud mouth fuckers on the extremes.  when someone comes along with something that has room for talk, don't start out with an attack, go ahead and talk with them.  There's nothing wrong with doing that but to draw the line in the sand and just say "YOU SHALL NOT PASSSSSS!!!" only means to me that you're one of the extremes fucking over the country.  Now I'm not saying that's what you are but hope you see what I mean.

Once again,  if you read all of his post, it is quite obvious that Danny is not all interested in jumping off the Obama bandwagon. not the least bit.

[Hugo Chavez]

huggy the whole premise of you stance is thatproblem is that again most lefties wouldnt agree with this yet...they will just point the finger at bush and the reps

find lefties on this board who criticize obama for being to far left and his horrible policies instead of not being far enough left like many on this board do...

not remotely close to my "whole premise" Are you serious?

[Danny]

Once again,  if you read all of his post, it is quite obovuous that Danny is not all interested jumping of the Obama bandwagon. not the least bit.

This is a waste of time.

[tonymctones]

not remotely close to my "whole premise" Are you serious?

this is the premise its not the point the premise preludes the point of your stance...

and yes this is the premise to your point

both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.

the point is that we can find common ground but the problem is the premise is in general false

[Hugo Chavez]

Once again,  if you read all of his post, it is quite obovuous that Danny is not all interested jumping of the Obama bandwagon. not the least bit.

here's the post you replied to:

I agree. Beck is only playing on people's fear unlike Ron Paul who actually has something to offer and I'm sure would offer clear details about how to move forward. O'Donnell and Palin are a complete joke.

I agree with this. 

And I will again say I don't think you should have an absolute wall blocking someone who supports Obama.  At least be willing to talk with them.  You were willing to talk with me and I respected that allot and as such we can talk more honestly and openly about things.  We built a bridge and that goes a long way and it doesn't take much to do that again and again.  The only people that don't want us doing shit like that are the elite scum fucking everything up for us all....

[tonymctones]

this is what im talking about hugo

I don't own a crystal ball, Tony McNuts. Unlike PEA BRAIN I can't foresee the future with 100% accuracy.  No doubt, every assessment you have made about the future on this board has come to pass, right Tony? 

I am satisfied with the Obama administration and I believe he is doing a great job. The economy has not come roaring back as robustly as I would like, however, it is on the right track. For that reason I have no reason to backtrack, sidestep, or bullshit my way out of my previous statements.

[Hugo Chavez]

this is the premise its not the point the premise preludes the point of your stance...

and yes this is the premise to your point
the point is that we can find common ground but if the problem is the premise is in general false

you know when three's a crowd?... yea.. that would be now

[MB_722]

http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/against-psychological-warfare-dunne-bezmenov/

hope you dont mind hugo

[Hugo Chavez]

http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/against-psychological-warfare-dunne-bezmenov/

hope you dont mind hugo

no I don't mind.  good post.  The first part of the page raises great questions that should be addressed.  But I don't think this is all a soviet communist plot like yuri warns of.  It's a little bigger than what Yuri says. He's the one that brings up the famed, "useful tool" What he's not saying is that we were both playing the part of useful tool by buying into a very pre planned situation.  It has gone on for hundreds of years just like this and somebody has to say no more.  I'm ready to say no more.  They want to keep the people fighting, not talking.

[tonymctones]

you know when three's a crowd?... yea.. that would be now

lol premise:•set forth beforehand, often as an explanation
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:premise&sa=X&ei=YvOUTKPoCoSglAffyPSjCg&ved=0CBUQkAE

Premise/s--------------------------------> Conclusion

All mammals feed their young with milk.(premise A)
All human are mammals.(premise B)
Therefore, all humans feed their young with milk.(conclusion from premise A and B)

problem is your premise is false b/c alot of the left arent ready to admit obama sucks ass

[MB_722]

no I don't mind.  good post.  The first part of the page raises great questions that should be addressed.  But I don't think this is all a soviet communist plot like yuri warns of.  It's a little bigger than what Yuri says. He's the one that brings up the famed, "useful tool" What he's not saying is that we were both playing the part of useful tool by buying into a very pre planned situation.  It has gone on for hundreds of years just like this and somebody has to say no more.  I'm ready to say no more.  They want to keep the people fighting, not talking.

yea I agree with what your sayin about Yuri .. I've always looked past the communist threat when I listen to him. Never been wabout theat hen ive posted him. If I find more, I will post

[Dos Equis]

Lets look back:  A lot of people here supported Ron Paul, and yes even several on the left.  Paul kept it simple and to the point.  He said things that were so common sense, it's almost impossible to argue against and we were all behind that here.  I held a poll here during the election and overwhelmingly, almost everyone supported Ron Paul except for neocons like BB and they were the minority.  That didn't happen without support from the left too.  Ron Paul was able to deliver a conservative and responsible message that didn't entirely turn off the left.

Was that the same thread where you accused the media of a conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul, and cited in support of this theory a facebook poll that showed support for Ron Paul?  

The only thing I've ever really said about Ron Paul is I like him, but he was not (and never will be) a viable presidential candidate.  

[Hugo Chavez]

Was that the same thread where you accused the media of a conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul, and cited in support of this theory a facebook poll that showed support for Ron Paul?  

The only thing I've ever really said about Ron Paul is I like him, but he was not (and never will be) a viable presidential candidate.  

no, it's the same thread where I called you out for being a pussy sack of shit annoying twerp.  You remember that thread lol?

I didn't post any opinions in the poll thread.... almost everyone here voted for Ron Paul and you stated that you would not participate no matter what.

Now fuck off back to your hawaiian paradise or whatever

[Dos Equis]

no, it's the same thread where I called you out for being a pussy sack of shit annoying twerp.  You remember that thread lol?

I didn't post any opinions in the poll thread.... almost everyone here voted for Ron Paul and you stated that you would not participate no matter what.

Now fuck off back to your hawaiian paradise or whatever

Nah.  You probably have, literally, thousands of meltdown posts on the board, and I don't read many of them, so would be easy for me to miss. 

Regarding your "poll," your comments are grossly misleading.  I didn't participate in the poll.  That doesn't mean I didn't support Ron Paul in your dumb poll. 

And I will indeed enjoy paradise today.    

[Skip8282]

both you and tony are talking about the tea party like they are an actual differnet party.  They're not... They're running as repbulicans.  I'm sure you both know that so I don't know why you make it sound like they're something other than that. My big problem is that the movement started out under Ron Paul being something that people from all sides could join into and then it quickly somehow shifted to being led by goons like Glenn Beck and Fox News and candidates with masterbation campaigns lol...   It went far right asap and don't think for a second that there wasn't someone out ther working to make that happen bigtime.  In the end the people lose out over that kind of manipulation.

So again, I want on board, but I'm not a fucking moron...  It needs redirected toward what it should be.

I was just using them as an example.  My point was that it's difficult for a third party or "movement" to make in-roads.  I agree it would be nice to have a greater variety of political affiliation available but I'm really not sure how to break the 2-party lock.