Dad Confronts Abortion Protesters

[Hugo Chavez]

hugo do you advocate for the mans right to walk away from his responsibilities as a result of getting a girl pregnant?

huh?  why would you even ask me this question?  Why would I advocate that?  First, it's none of my business.  I certainly can't go force some guy to stay with his woman.  We have stuff for that in play, if he walks, he could end up paying child support for a long time.  I guess if you're asking if I think a guy that walks away from his kids should pay child support, yea I do. 

[bears]

Bears, I don't understand man.  On one hand you say there are valid exceptions and on the other you say that there can't be any room to accomodate them.  What gives?

hugo.  there is a difference between what is right and wrong and what is enforceable and unenforceable.  The problem with any law is that there will always be exceptions that don't necessarily fall on one side or the other of any law.  Who is to decide what is an acceptable reason for an abortion?  Everyone who ever got an abortion thinks that they have a valid reason for getting it.  Who are you and I to tell anyone that they should not have one?

This is what conservatives were saying 35 years ago.  They were saying that if we allow these people who were raped or whose lives were in peril because of their pregnancy to get abortions that it would inevitably lead to a slippery slope and millions of babies would be killed every year.

You know what liberals said?  "You're a fucking bible thumping maniac!  No one wants to get abortions just because its easy.  Abortion will only be a last resort to all other alternatives.  How dare you!!"  Now there are 1.5 million last resorts a year in this country.  

The entire pro choice side of the debate is based on lies.  But conservatives knew all along that this was inevitable.

[tonymctones]

huh?  why would you even ask me this question?  Why would I advocate that?  First, it's none of my business.  I certainly can't go force some guy to stay with his woman.  We have stuff for that in play, if he walks, he could end up paying child support for a long time.  I guess if you're asking if I think a guy that walks away from his kids should pay child support, yea I do. 

just curious you seem to be for a woman being able to shirk her responsibility as a result of pregnancy so i wanted to here your stance on a mans right to do the same...

why do you feel its ok for a woman to walk away but not a man?

after all we give women the option so why do you deny the man the option?

[Straw Man]

straw man do you agree that 99% of abortions are elective and not for medical reasons?

don't know

don't care

none of my business what other law abiding citizens due

that's between the woman and her doctor

[tonymctones]

don't know

don't care

none of my business what other law abiding citizens due

that's between the woman and her doctor

so the only reason you agree with this is b/c its a law?

[Hugo Chavez]

just curious you seem to be for a woman being able to shirk her responsibility as a result of pregnancy so i wanted to here your stance on a mans right to do the same...

why do you feel its ok for a woman to walk away but not a man?

after all we give women the option so why do you deny the man the option?

can you show me anywhere where I said anything like that?  The only thing I've said here is that it's ok imo for a woman who is going to be giving birth to a dead baby to terminate it before delivery.  How would a mother like that be shirking her responsibility?

So quotes please, where did I say anything like that?

[tonymctones]

can you show me anywhere where I said anything like that?  The only thing I've said here is that it's ok imo for a woman who is going to be giving birth to a dead baby to terminate it before delivery.  How would a mother like that be shirking her responsibility?

So quotes please, where did I say anything like that?

no need for the eye roll broham, I misunderstood then...I can agree with that train of thought as well

I thought you were for a womans right to have an elective abortion regardless of the health of the baby, are you?

[The Showstoppa]

don't know

don't care

none of my business what other law abiding citizens due

that's between the woman and her doctor

Good thing you weren't around pre-civil rights movement.....

[Straw Man]

so the only reason you agree with this is b/c its a law?

absolutely

that and it's none of my business what other people do or what decisions they make with their doctors.

[tonymctones]

absolutely

that and it's none of my business what other people do or what decisions they make with their doctors.

ok so when abortions are outlawed again and it probably will in the future later rather than sooner, youre going to be ok with that b/c it is the law then?

[tonymctones]

Good thing you weren't around pre-civil rights movement.....

LOL straw doesnt know what he is saying, he is simply saying that now b/c the law falls in line with his line of thought 

[Hugo Chavez]

no need for the eye roll broham, I misunderstood then...I can agree with that train of thought as well

I thought you were for a womans right to have an elective abortion regardless of the health of the baby, are you?

sorry for the eye roll.  no I'm not for that, but also I'm not about to go join the ranks of kill-em-all prolifers like Billy.  I wouldn't be welcome.  There's quite a few of them that think any exception is wrong. I know, this is not the first time I've told the story of what my sister in law had to go through and I always had a few attack me just on that basis so obviously there are a lot of prolifers that think there is no exception.  Or as I have just found out, some that believe it's impossible to have laws with exceptions, even though there are countless laws across the country with exceptions in them.  LOL, all I can do at this point is express my personal opinion.  I'm not going to vote on this single issue or join up with militant prolifers.

[tonymctones]

sorry for the eye roll.  no I'm not for that, but also I'm not about to go join the ranks of kill-em-all prolifers like Billy.  I wouldn't be welcome.  There's quite a few of them that think any exception is wrong. I know, this is not the first time I've told the story of what my sister in law had to go through and I always had a few attack me just on that basis so obviously there are a lot of prolifers that think there is no exception.  Or as I have just found out, some that believe it's impossible to have laws with exceptions, even though there are countless laws across the country with exceptions in them.  LOL, all I can do at this point is express my personal opinion.  I'm not going to vote on this single issue or join up with militant prolifers.

I agree but I think logically if youre against abortion b/c you feel its murder and the baby is innocent it doesnt really matter what the circumstances are b/c nothing change the reasons youre against abortion...

Now Im not one of those against abortions in any and all circumstances either but I can understand why those that feel that way feel thay way.

[The Showstoppa]

LOL straw doesnt know what he is saying, he is simply saying that now b/c the law falls in line with his line of thought 

Exactly.  What an idiotic position to just say oh well, it's the law so I'll go along with it....good thing he wasn't relied on to ignite the Revolutionary War!!  "Hell no, I'll just pay the taxes, it's the law!"

[Straw Man]

Good thing you weren't around pre-civil rights movement.....

I'm not saying people can't protest

they can do whatever they want and other who disagree can do the same

when it comes to murdering law abiding citizens that's another story

Personally, I think the pro-choice people should do the same harassment to the anti-abortion crowed.

They should show up at rallies, take their photographs, follow them to their home, office, and church and harass them in the same manner (withing the law) that the anti-abortion crowd does to them.

[Straw Man]

Exactly.  What an idiotic position to just say oh well, it's the law so I'll go along with it....good thing he wasn't relied on to ignite the Revolutionary War!!  "Hell no, I'll just pay the taxes, it's the law!"

great point

let me go find some laws that I don't like and I guess I'd be justified if I decide I need to murder people who are following laws that I don't personally agree with

[BM OUT]

I'm not saying people can't protest

they can do whatever they want and other who disagree can do the same

when it comes to murdering law abiding citizens that's another story

Personally, I think the pro-choice people should do the same harassment to the anti-abortion crowed.

They should show up at rallies, take their photographs, follow them to their home, office, and church and harass them in the same manner (withing the law) that the anti-abortion crowd does to them.

Ha,ha,ha are you kidding?The pro life people learned that from the liberal protestors.The same people who march at pro abortion rallies are the same ones at gay rights parades,peta marches,anti-war marches, etc etc.Christ we have union members showing up at executives houses and intimidating their kids[notice they never show up at a house owned by someone like me.I wonder why?].

Please, the idea that the left isnt BY FAR the more guilty of this type of thing is a joke.Conservatives cant show up and speak at college campus' without getting food thrown in their faces.Tea party rallies have union pussies showing up intimidating old ladies [because they could never ever intimidate a man].The left invented this type of behavior.

[BM OUT]

great point

let me go find some laws that I don't like I guess I'd be justified if I decide I need to murder people who are following laws that I don't personall agree with

You mean just like the weather underground did in the 60s with Obamas best friend leading them?

[Straw Man]

You mean just like the weather underground did in the 60s with Obamas best friend leading them?

again - nothing to do with the topic at hand

if you have a problem with how the FBI dealt with Ayers then take it up with them but don't try to conflate the two topics

[The Showstoppa]

great point

let me go find some laws that I don't like and I guess I'd be justified if I decide I need to murder people who are following laws that I don't personally agree with

What are you talking about "murdering people" I didn't see anybody in the vid murdered, it was simply a protest.....

[tu_holmes]

I am all for abortion.

I would rather subsidize 250 bucks for an abortion (even though the rate is about only 1 in 4 are subsidized by some government entity) than to have to pay for welfare for 18 years.

Go Abortions!

PS... less crime too because of them... It's a win/win.

[Straw Man]

What are you talking about "murdering people" I didn't see anybody in the vid murdered, it was simply a protest.....

Billy was talking about murdering people

I've said that I think it's shitty that these women choose to harass other woman during a very emotional and stressful time in their lives without any clue of the individuaul circumstances but I don't think you'll find any comment by me saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest

I do think the protest is  form of harassment and also interferes with business but we all know that's allowed in this country.   I think pro-choice people should simply adopt the same tactics and target individual protestors and harass them at their home, place of work and church and where ever else they go.
Let see how they like it.  I'm sure they won't have any objection to the tactic

[bears]

I am all for abortion.

I would rather subsidize 250 bucks for an abortion (even though the rate is about only 1 in 4 are subsidized by some government entity) than to have to pay for welfare for 18 years.

Go Abortions!

PS... less crime too because of them... It's a win/win.

so you think that abortion should be a tool to weed out the weak of society in order to make america better?  interesting.  you should read Mein Kampf.  you would like it.

[Hugo Chavez]

I agree but I think logically if youre against abortion b/c you feel its murder and the baby is innocent it doesnt really matter what the circumstances are b/c nothing change the reasons youre against abortion...

Now Im not one of those against abortions in any and all circumstances either but I can understand why those that feel that way feel thay way.

I can't understand why anyone would feel there are no circumstances in which an abortion is ok.  Those guys are nuts and I'm not going to even say I understand.  I don't understand them.  If the baby is going to be dead, there isn't much of a point to arguing for the life of that baby and the alternative of forcing that baby to be born is just forcing uneeded trauma on that mother.  I've actually had some of these people tell me that the circumstances I'm talking about don't exsist, seriously...

[tu_holmes]

so you think that abortion should be a tool to weed out the weak of society in order to make america better?  interesting.  you should read Mein Kampf.  you would like it.

I didn't say it should... I said it does.

Don't start going down the retarded "Nazi" line... that shit is played out. No one is Hitler... get over it. You have now lost all credibility.