Do you think Big Ach is natural?

[Charfman84]

do they drug test you before shows?

[BIG ACH]

do they drug test you before shows?

Yes both polygraph and urine test!

I've never done a show where I wasn't tested!

[225for70]

M1T is a very powerful oral steroid, not a 'pro-hormone'.

Very powerful in terms of side effects...I used 15 mg over two days and i couldn't take the side effects..the lethargic was terrible, that i slept for three days..My testes also atrophied after 3 freaking steroid pills.

[Charfman84]

Yes both polygraph and urine test!

I've never done a show where I wasn't tested!

polygraphs make me nervous that its gonna show up incorrectly

[Tapeworm]

Very powerful in terms of side effects...I used 15 mg over two days and i couldn't take the side effects..the lethargic was terrible, that i slept for three days..My testes also atrophied after 3 freaking steroid pills.

Say what?  Come on, man.

[BIG ACH]

polygraphs make me nervous that its gonna show up incorrectly

I'm always nervous that it will show up incorrectly....  Everyone I know gets nervous while taking them.

The fact that its a cop there giving you the test and being so serious!  just doesn't help!

[BIG ACH]

How is taking prohormones with worse sideeffects than steroids and less gains any better than doing the real thing?

I think it's kinda stupid? Is it just to be able to call yourself a natural? No offence Ach..

Well natural organizations were allowing them, call yourself whatever you want but stick to the rules if you want to compete in certain organizations!


There's also the legal factor bro!

[225for70]

Say what?  Come on, man.

Yes that is true man..I was also clean for 8 weeks to...

[Tapeworm]

How is taking prohormones with worse sideeffects than steroids and less gains any better than doing the real thing?

I think it's kinda stupid? Is it just to be able to call yourself a natural? No offence Ach..

No getting over the psychological hurdle of using a needle.  It's a lot more invasive than just taking a pill.

Ya there's steroids in pill form etc, but you know what I mean.

[BIG ACH]

That's not a problem in Egypt though  .

No its not - but I compete in the US, so even though I was living in Egypt and had access to all these LEGAL and CHEAP steroids, I had to abide by the rules of the natural organizations I was competing with abroad!

[BIG ACH]

No getting over the psychological hurdle of using a needle.  It's a lot more invasive than just taking a pill.

Ya there's steroids in pill form etc, but you know what I mean.

That too - I can't stand needles, scare the shit out of me!  couldn't imagine having to inject myself!!! Just dont think i could ever do it!

[225for70]

How is taking prohormones with worse sideeffects than steroids and less gains any better than doing the real thing?

I think it's kinda stupid? Is it just to be able to call yourself a natural? No offence Ach..

The side effects from dbol feel like pez, when you take m1t..

[Cleanest Natural]

Since you insist being a liar I will break it down for you

you are not nattie and a fucking liar

you do prohormones and a lot more shit than that

your genetics for muscle building are shitty. yet you maintain decent quality muscle

you dieted down in show shpe would be muscleless and flat as a pancake

you are another dude who cannot hack it cause you lack what it takes like DK

so you do natural organization which is pure BS.

the tests do not mean shit you , I  and anyone you know can pass that shit easily

polygraph ?? you must think we are retards homei hahahahahahahaha

so : keep doing roids and bodybuild, but keep the nattie bravado to yourself

you are a user and a liar .. either shut up, or admit to what you use

you know, I know, your wife knows that you are absolutely FULL OF SHIT on the natural issue

LIAR

[Army of One]

Since you insist being a liar I will break it down for you

you are not nattie and a fucking liar

you do prohormones and a lot more shit than that

your genetics for muscle building are shitty. yet you maintain decent quality muscle

you dieted down in show shpe would be muscleless and flat as a pancake

you are another dude who cannot hack it cause you lack what it takes like DK

so you do natural organization which is pure BS.

the tests do not mean shit you , I  and anyone you know can pass that shit easily

polygraph ?? you must think we are retards homei hahahahahahahaha

so : keep doing roids and bodybuild, but keep the nattie bravado to yourself

you are a user and a liar .. either shut up, or admit to what you use

you know, I know, your wife knows that you are absolutely FULL OF SHIT on the natural issue

LIAR

As much as I think you are a polesmoker I have to agree with you here, Big Ach is clearly bullshitting, which is a shame as it ruins the whole Gee Shucks persona he tried to cultivate here and reveals him as a narcissistic liar.

[SS]

That too - I can't stand needles, scare the shit out of me!  couldn't imagine having to inject myself!!! Just dont think i could ever do it!

So do a lot of guys, but that's the price you pay to be jacked.


In your case you probably have a buddy or your wife that does it.

[BIG ACH]

Gee,       Shucks,      Lolll     calling a natural a juicer is the biggest compliment that you can give him, so i guess i should be thanking you guys for the nice kind words aknowleging my effort, with that being said i had previously posted anyone who challenged me on my natural status, i will bet you $5,000 dollars that i can pass any drug test at a time of YOUR choosing, wel fuck that i will raise that to 10,000 dollars if you all truly think im juicing why dont you profit off it again i will do this at a time of your choosing so you know im not hiding anything,  sorry boys i am natural, and by the way that gee schucks attitude is how i really am in real life!

[che]

So do a lot of guys, but that's the price you pay to be jacked.


In your case you probably have a buddy or your wife that does it.

 

[che]

Actually you are wrong... I've openly admitted to using pro-hormones in the past, which have been acceptable in EVERY natural organization out there!  I have competed in both the OCB and the NGA, and passed their drug tests, both lie detector and urinalysis....  Never competed in the NPC!

So if a natural organization  allow you to use HGH ,Clen, Test..... etc.  would you consider yourself natural ?

[SS]

Gee,       Shucks,      Lolll     calling a natural a juicer is the biggest compliment that you can give him, so i guess i should be thanking you guys for the nice kind words aknowleging my effort, with that being said i had previously posted anyone who challenged me on my natural status, i will bet you $5,000 dollars that i can pass any drug test at a time of YOUR choosing, wel fuck that i will raise that to 10,000 dollars if you all truly think im juicing why dont you profit off it again i will do this at a time of your choosing so you know im not hiding anything,  sorry boys i am natural, and by the way that gee schucks attitude is how i really am in real life!

Calm down gums......It's not that serious

[Cleanest Natural]

Gee,       Shucks,      Lolll     calling a natural a juicer is the biggest compliment that you can give him, so i guess i should be thanking you guys for the nice kind words aknowleging my effort, with that being said i had previously posted anyone who challenged me on my natural status, i will bet you $5,000 dollars that i can pass any drug test at a time of YOUR choosing, wel fuck that i will raise that to 10,000 dollars if you all truly think im juicing why dont you profit off it again i will do this at a time of your choosing so you know im not hiding anything,  sorry boys i am natural, and by the way that gee schucks attitude is how i really am in real life!

another natural bullshitter who looks like Coleman the beginner on smaller doses ...imagine him on steroidz 

[tommywishbone]

Q:  Is Big Ach natural?

A:  I first stepped on a bodybuilding stage in 1979, was a competitive strength athlete and bodybuilder for 16+/- years, worked at Gold's Venice for 7+ years, used and sold gear for many many years- I'm leaning towards the "no", but just leaning.
 

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I believe in his country that if you get caught using drugs, they will chop your arms off or something.

[SS]

I believe in his country that if you get caught using drugs, they will chop your arms off or something.

Hopefully in Achs case his nose

[SF1900]

those gums aren't natural 

[jrod]

Gee,       Shucks,      Lolll     calling a natural a juicer is the biggest compliment that you can give him, so i guess i should be thanking you guys for the nice kind words aknowleging my effort, with that being said i had previously posted anyone who challenged me on my natural status, i will bet you $5,000 dollars that i can pass any drug test at a time of YOUR choosing, wel fuck that i will raise that to 10,000 dollars if you all truly think im juicing why dont you profit off it again i will do this at a time of your choosing so you know im not hiding anything,  sorry boys i am natural, and by the way that gee schucks attitude is how i really am in real life!

I don't think you're going to be able to convince people that don't believe you; you'd have to change their beliefs on what is and whats not achievable naturally.  For some people, its pretty reasonable since its simply what they know from their experience.  These experiences, like what THEY were able to achieve naturally, what they've seen (Friends, etc.), or what they believe from other sources (reading online, etc.), are what give them a reference point for what they think is possible to achieve. I have limits for what I would believe is achievable (and I might be right/wrong).  In the end, as you said, just take it as a compliment that you've achieved something.