Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs

[225for70]

Not following....if you paid to download the song, the artist would receive compensation, right?  So if you download illegally, without paying, the artist would be out the money.....or am I missing something?

His argument is most people wouldn't have bothered to buy the music in the first place.

[The Showstoppa]

His argument is most people wouldn't have bothered to buy the music in the first place.

Hmmmm, not sure if I agree with that premise....if someone knew the only way to get a certain song was to buy it, I think they would....it's just because its available to steal for free that they wouldn't....

[kh300]

Not following....if you paid to download the song, the artist would receive compensation, right?  So if you download illegally, without paying, the artist would be out the money.....or am I missing something?

Right. The artist can gain from you, but cant lose.

Does Justin Bieber know that I just downloaded like all of his songs? no

[Lundgren]

Hahahahaha, so now you're a music expert? I've seen your "expert" opinion on other subjects. You are a retard.

Time for Ron to end this newest AXA gimmick.

No expert but I'd think it's more than likely I no more people first hand that make a full time living off music than you do,
The only millionaire I know does it through doing sound for bands concerts etc. It's where the money is to be made atleast if your not the 1 in million like RHCP. But labels make it near impossible for a band to survive on the road. Because they promote nothing but studio bullshit that sounds like garbage live.

The truth is if we had to choose between free and payed music, the labels would fall to shit overnight, as pirated music is their number on source of promotion. People don't watch vids on mtv anymore they have a friend that steals it first than they decide to buy it at a later date.

The labels won't own up to the truth, that most people won't pay for music, and freeshare music sites would crop up like mad if people were forced to pay for shit.
It's total hypocricy they sue people who make them their money.

One of the best bands I know would glady give away their music for free if it gave them more exposure, instead of it all going to a narrow 50 artists signed up to the labels.  

[Parker]

But this is a bullshit arguement, the artist make fuck off all. Except for the very few. You guys  don't understand how the industry works. They have a monopoly and they produce sub par music.

The bulk of there costs go into promotion, which is pointless, as it's more about hyping something than actaully spread good music, the other half is making albums are more expensive than there worth(lady gag) whatever.

Free music would be much better off in a band that made it's income on touring, instead of making fuck all with a label. Again 99 percent of bands spend most of their record sales spent on promotion and other acts that can't hold their own weight.  




I love the whole notion that you somehow no more about the music industry than me I know alot of people in the
 local industry.

dude, it's the record companies that make the money!!! The artists make very little, even Michael Jackson did a interview on it, he had said the reason why James Brown toured so much, and many artists as well, is because they see very little of the money the record companies make. That is why a certain Congressman is in cahoots with the record companies and trying to pass laws to charge radio stations for playing music

many artists have spoken out on them not seeing that much money from the record companies, among them Tribe Called Quest. And  I used to work with a Promoter for Janet Jackson, and he talked about the same issues.

Furthermore, you didn't answer the question, you skirted by it? Do you think that a artist's music shouldn't be copywritten or that they shouldn't be compensated for making music?
If so, if you get a job, should you be paid for your work?

[Fury]

No expert but I'd think it's more than likely I no more people first hand that make a full time living off music than you do,
The only millionaire I know does it through doing sound for bands concerts etc. It's where the money is to be made atleast if your not the 1 in million like RHCP. But labels make it near impossible for a band to survive on the road. Because they promote nothing but studio bullshit that sounds like garbage live.

The truth is if we had to choose between free and payed music, the labels would fall to shit overnight, as pirated music is their number on source of promotion. People don't watch vids on mtv anymore they have a friend that steals it first than they decide to buy it at a later date.

The labels won't own up to the truth, that most people won't pay for music, and freeshare music sites would crop up like mad if people were forced to pay for shit.
It's total hypocricy they sue people who make them their money.

One of the best bands I know would glady give away their music for free if it gave them more exposure, instead of it all going to a narrow 50 artists signed up to the labels.  

I stopped reading when you couldn't differentiate between "know" and "no". You claim to live in Newfoundland. You're not anywhere near a music expert and I'd be shocked if you knew someone with a net worth over $50k.

You are a loan-shirking, benefit-leeching scumbag. And an uneducated retard, to boot. Hope this helps.

Fact is that we all know we're stealing when we pirate stuff offline, be it music, movies, books, games or whatever. We all justify it by telling ourselves, "Everyone pirates so the odds of them ever coming after ME for doing it are slim-to-none."

[Parker]

Lungredisgod here is some food for thought. Read it, educate yourself...
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100302/2310128377.shtml

and be happy that you didn't have to pay for this "food"...

[The Showstoppa]

Right. The artist can gain from you, but cant lose.

Does Justin Bieber know that I just downloaded like all of his songs? no

But couldn't you look at it from the perspective of comparing it to a grocery store?  The VAST majority of what is on the shelves isn't going to sell, so why can't I just take it for my own consumption?

[Fury]

Lungredisgod here is some food for thought. Read it, educate yourself...
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100302/2310128377.shtml

and be happy that you didn't have to pay for this "food"...

Just look at it from a competitive standpoint. Who is going to want to invest their own time, money and effort into developing a product if it's just going to get stolen?

The Chinese have shown that it is possible to steal entire car designs. Is it really alright for some Chinese firm to profit off the millions in R&D that BMW spent just because of China's lax IP laws and their aptitude for stealing tech?

[Lundgren]

Furthermore, you didn't answer the question, you skirted by it? Do you think that a artist's music shouldn't be copywritten or that they shouldn't be compensated for making music?
If so, if you get a job, should you be paid for your work?

Lol so'd you'd agree even  the one percent of artist in labels that make money still get a small fraction of what their owed your prooving my point only furthre. Even these superstars would benefit if all their music was given out for free and they made there money from touring, thanks for prooving my point.

 
Well your asking the ideal question. Should an artist pay 99 percent of it's income to a label, just so they can get the 1 percent essentially fucking all other artists over, or should we move to a live performance model, were artist made albums or recorded singles to promote their band.

OF course there songs should be copyrighted not so they can sell them as albums but someone else can't destroy there potential revenue through touring.

[Fury]

Lol so'd you'd agree even  the one percent of artist in labels that make money still get a small fraction of what their owed your prooving my point only furthre. Even these superstars would benefit if all their music was given out for free and they made there money from touring, thanks for prooving my point.

 
Well your asking the ideal question. Should an artist pay 99 percent of it's income to a label, just so they can get the 1 percent essentially fucking all other artists over, or should we move to a live performance model, were artist made albums or recorded singles to promote their band.

OF course there songs should be copyrighted not so they can sell them as albums but someone else can't destroy there potential revenue through touring.

Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when your posts look like they were written by a third grader?

[Lundgren]

Just look at it from a competitive standpoint. Who is going to want to invest their own time, money and effort into developing a product if it's just going to get stolen?

The Chinese have shown that it is possible to steal entire car designs. Is it really alright for some Chinese firm to profit off the millions in R&D that BMW spent just because of China's lax IP laws and their aptitude for stealing tech?

This is such a myth, do you know how many people out there right now that are making albums out of their own pocket. My guitar instructor in high school (charged 40 bucks a hour, got a full scholarship in the highest rated music program in the country) did that 40 hours a week stayed up every night of the week just so he could make a demo.

You gotta understand 90.9 percent cd sales goto pr reps, and million dollar studios that use vocoders instead of finding people that can actually sing. Than about 9 percent (99.9) of artist get basically minimum wage, to bust their balls, than about 0.1 percent actually make a few dollars. but still 90 percent of their money goes back to paying for studio time for the 1000 other artists that can't make money.

[Lundgren]

Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when your posts look like they were written by a third grader?

you know I got you beat so that's the best you can do. I know my shit so fuck off alright unless you can actually counter what I'm saying.

[Fury]

This is such a myth, do you know any many people out there right now are making albums out of their own pocket. My guitar instructor in high school (charged 40 bucks a hour, got a full scholarship in the highest rated music program in the country) did that 40 hours a week stayed up every night of the week just so he could make a demo.

You gotta understand 90.9 percent cd sales goto pr reps, and million dollar studios that use vocoders instead of finding people that can actually sing. Than about 9 percent (99.9) of artist get basically minimum wage, to bust their balls, than about 0.1 percent actually make a few dollars. but still 90 percent of their money goes back to paying for studio time for the 1000 other artists that can't make money.

Just stop talking. It's clear that you have never taken anything close to a class on economics.

you know I got you beat so that's the best you can do. I know my shit so fuck off alright unless you can actually counter what I'm saying.

You've never had me beat on any topic, ASJ_Chaotic gimmick. You are nothing more than an uneducated, loan-shirking, benefit-leeching dirtbag who thinks he's a know-it-all, despite the fact that your grammatical prowess indicates that you possess, at best, a middle school education.

 

[Lundgren]

Just stop talking. It's clear that you have never taken anything close to a class on economics.

You've never had me beat on any topic, ASJ_Chaotic gimmick. You are nothing more than an uneducated, loan-shirking, benefit-leeching dirtbag who thinks he's a know-it-all, despite the fact that your grammatical prowess indicates that you possess, at best, a middle school education.

 

Lol again your not saying anything, I would appear to know the music industry better than you do. So QFT.

[Fury]

Lol again your not saying anything, I would appear to know the music industry better than you do. So QFT.

There's no point to debating a retard like yourself, AXA. If you made a valid point then you'd get a valid response.

Thanks for playing.

[Parker]

Just look at it from a competitive standpoint. Who is going to want to invest their own time, money and effort into developing a product if it's just going to get stolen?

The Chinese have shown that it is possible to steal entire car designs. Is it really alright for some Chinese firm to profit off the millions in R&D that BMW spent just because of China's lax IP laws and their aptitude for stealing tech?

And now the Chinese are saying to car manufacturers if you want more marketshare, then you are going to have to "give" us you secrets an research with hybrid and electric cars...

[Lundgren]

And now the Chinese are saying to car manufacturers if you want more marketshare, then you are going to have to "give" us you secrets an research with hybrid and electric cars...

I'm not talking about patents for engineering, or movies or anything else I'm talking about exclusively music.

As I said the labels gain from selling songs not the artist it's a ponzi scheme, sure there a select few that make a bit from albums but the vast majority don't. But this is just proving the point you guys are all pleased that a mother with children is being finacially destoryed by an industry, that has no intereset other than fucking people over. You guys just feel the guilt relief that you may not be paying for music but atleast this mother is.

[pedro01]

Exactly, imagine a woman at Victoria's Secret..."oh, this looks nice..." and she takes 10 of them, then goes down to Wicked Temptations...and takes about 5 see thru bras...

Then goes to Kohl's and gets 5 dresses, "whew, shopping is quite hard!"

Lungredisgod needs to realize, nothing in life is free, not even pussy.
And for artists not be compensated for their work...he needs to imagine himself as a artist, how are you gonna eat, pay your bills, pay for instruments, etc if you are not paid?

Yup - then imagine that person getting a $1.5 million fine for it, instead of a misdemeanour wrist slap and you'd be outraged.

It's a crime - but a petty crime and hence it should not be something you pay for the rest of your life.

[Lundgren]

Yup - then imagine that person getting a $1.5 million fine for it, instead of a misdemeanour wrist slap and you'll be outragaged.

It's a crime - but a petty crime and hence it should not be something you pay for the rest of your life.

IT's a crime because the laws don't reflect the current age we live in. Could you imagine if vince started sueing us for posting his pics, do you think we'd start throwing money at him not a chance, we just stop talking about him plain and simple.

[CalvinH]

I really enjoy when BF gets after it