Who are the nice guys on here.

[Lundgren]

You should ask uberman for a better analysis, Parker is too nice.

Say what your saying don't be like that

[tommywishbone]

This thread needs more pictures of tits.

[Lundgren]

I kiiid, I kiiiid  .

I am just a troll bro, nothing more.

say what your thinking my freudian sense are tingling.

And for the record parker do you understand ocd at all?

[Parker]

say what your thinking my freudian sense are tingling.

And for the record parker do you understand ocd at all?

Yes, I understand OCD, I had dated a girl with it... Blew my mind...always cleaning, everything had to be clean, spotless. And she had to do it a certain # of times.

[Butterbean]

Butterbean is by far the nicest.

QFT

That was close.  I was just getting ready to rip TrueGrit a new one for not including me in his list  

[noworries]

I am really sadden that I am not on this list.  I am changing my ways.  I love you all

[Lundgren]

Yes, I understand OCD, I had dated a girl with it... Blew my mind...always cleaning, everything had to be clean, spotless. And she had to do it a certain # of times.

Well I'm more of broader forum of it Obsessive complusive personality disorder, it's less physical and more internal.

I.E. it's no so much my need for attention as my unrealistic expectation that people will see the world the way I do. So when someone attacks me based on the way I type or something like that I'm unable to relate. I still have frustration over how people don't react the way I would but I don't think it's an internal cry for attention.

Just the same my obsessive need to post ever fifteen minutes has only started since school semester started obviously I'm just shifting my school stress but that's the nature of OCD.  and no this ain't me trying to cover my ego, it's my obsessive need to over think shit and go far to far than what is normal.

[Shockwave]

Well I'm more of broader forum of it Obsessive complusive personality disorder, it's less physical and more internal.

I.E. it's no so much my need for attention as my unrealistic expectation that people will see the world the way I do. So when someone attacks me based on the way I type or something like that I'm unable to relate. I still have frustration over how people don't react the way I would but I don't think it's an internal cry for attention.

Just the same my obsessive need to post ever fifteen minutes has only started since school semester started obviously I'm just shifting my school stress but that's the nature of OCD.  and no this ain't me trying to cover my ego, it's my obsessive need to over think shit and go far to far than what is normal.

Bullshit. This whole thread is you trying to cover your ego by trying to justify why you think its ok not to be an "alpha" male. And everything else youve been typing is you trying to explain/justify/manipulate to keep your ego from seeing whats really going on and being honest with yourself. Weather or not you like what I say or how I say it, its truth. You can either accept it and try and change, or you can keep making excuses/justifications/etc and stay the same miserable bastard. Up to you.

FYI, I speak from experience.

[Lundgren]

Bullshit. This whole thread is you trying to cover your ego by trying to justify why you think its ok not to be an "alpha" male. And everything else youve been typing is you trying to explain/justify/manipulate to keep your ego from seeing whats really going on and being honest with yourself. Weather or not you like what I say or how I say it, its truth. You can either accept it and try and change, or you can keep making excuses/justifications/etc and stay the same miserable bastard. Up to you.

FYI, I speak from experience.

That's a bit of a stretch I've learned to not get overly caught up in that type of thing about alpha's and me. Your own projections are coming into play.  Being an alpha ain't on the radar at the moment. Not an issue for me. I'm trying much harder to be a nice person, and less of a douche(IRL not here this is my sand box).

[Shockwave]

That's a bit of a stretch I've learned to not get overly caught up in that type of thing about alpha's and me. Your own projections are coming into play.  Being an alpha ain't on the radar at the moment. Not an issue for me. I'm trying much harder to be a nice person, and less of a douche(IRL not here this is my sand box).

This has nothing to do with me. This has to do with how youre refusing to be honest with yourself. There you go, making excuses again. Youve already admitted in this thread all of that, you just cant admit it to yourself cause it will hurt your ego. But youve already shown that to all of us. But trust mewhen I say this, you look like a moron with all your backtracking,admitting things, then being in denial and shifting and explaining and justifying why it doesnt pertain to you.
The big show off, was the first post where you were trying to justify why you SHOULDNT be an alpha, and you tried to explain to everyone else why you didnt want to be like those people, and you included the whole hoarding women thing. That doesnt say shit about your opinion on alphas, it tells us everything about YOU and how you resent those people and how youre scared to compete with them, and how they intimidate you. But youre twisting the definition of alpha to fit your reasoning on why you dont like those people. Like you said, you dont like it when people dont look at the world the same you do, and in this case, youre flat out WRONG, and youre just trying to justify why you shouldnt be a MAN.
 
Maybe one day you can be honest with yourself and realize all the resenments that you have, but until you do, your just gonna be the same arrogant asshole that you are now.

[Lundgren]

I've been pretty consistant and open, no lies and stand by what I said, if you think there's some contradiction, then I think your misinterpeting what I said.

I got things I'm bad at, like hostility but that's not my anger at alpha's just at humanity in general, has more to do with my past then my current outlook.

I don't think of it in terms of alpha vs me. I hate everyone equally for the record we'd all be alpha in the right condition, I don't really got a lot of patients for right and wrong.
Whatever works works. However there's a lot of merit to being a "good" guy that often get over looked. Far more pleasant to be around than most alpha(yes there are exceptions for alpha, but it's not the norm, unless you think people are a whole lot prettier than they actually are.

I do understand that I look bad saying the truth about my personal shit, but whatever this ain't real life, I stand by what I said about alpha's etc.

[Shockwave]

I've been pretty consistant and open, no lies and stand by what I said, if you think there's some contradiction, then I think your misinterpeting what I said.

I got things I'm bad at, like hostility but that's not my anger at alpha's just at humanity in general, has more to do with my past then my current outlook.

I don't think of it in terms of alpha vs me. I hate everyone equally for the record we'd all be alpha in the right condition, I don't really got a lot of patients for right and wrong.
Whatever works works. However there's a lot of merit to being a "good" guy that often get over looked. Far more pleasant to be around than most alpha(yes there are exceptions for alpha, but it's not the norm, unless you think people are a whole lot prettier than they actually are.

I do understand that I look bad saying the truth about my personal shit, but whatever this ain't real life, I stand by what I said about alpha's etc.

Bam. More clear cut, indisputable evidence of your feeling resentment towards what you call "alphas". You resent that youre what you think a "Nice guy" should be, but that you dont get the respect, or the women, that "alphas" do. It pisses you off, because you see them as assholes. But I know your just going to give me some other lame BS excuse why im way off the mark.
Alright, clearly you are incapable of seeing the denial your spitting out. So like Parker told me to do, Im going to bow out, cause you dont get it. (You ego wont let you get it).

Here, read this. This is you.

You have listened to her complain about the jerk who treated her badly countless times only to watch her go out with him again and again. All of your selfless acts fall to the wayside only to hear about her mistreatment the following week.

You are left in pit of despair and confusing as the mantra “nice guy’s finish last” repeats in your head. “When will she wake up? When will she realize that there is a nice guy who will treat her the way she deserves to be treated sitting right here?”

She will never realize this because you aren’t in fact a nice guy. Appearances can be deceiving and the “nice guy” act is one of the biggest deceptions around.

On the surface nice guys appear to be selfless, kind, caring human beings but this is far from the truth. Beneath their generous acts and humble words lurks something darker. A dark side few nice guys care to admit because nice guys aren’t really that nice.

Here is a paraphrase from the book “No More Mr. Nice Guy”
” :

Nice Guys avoid conflict.

Nice guys have difficulty making their needs a priority.

Nice Guys lack conviction in their opinions or beliefs. Typically they will wait and see what the popular opinion is before taking a stand. If a rift happens in the group they will wait to see who is winning before taking a side.

Nice Guys lack loyalty. They develop a chameleon like type of behavior when interacting with others. If one member of a group doesn’t like another the nice guy will take on the belief of whoever they around. One day they will talk badly of one member and the next they will reverse their opinion.

Nice Guys are dishonest. They hide their mistakes and say what they think people want to hear. They will say pretty much anything to gain the approval of others.

Nice Guys are secretive. They are so driven to seek approval that they will hide anything they believe might upset anyone.

Nice Guys are manipulative. They have a hard time making their needs a priority and have difficulty asking for what they want clearly, so they feel powerless and result to manipulation.

Nice Guys are controlling in order to keep their world smooth.

Nice Guys give to get and expect some kind of reciprocation.

Nice Guys are passive-aggressive.

Nice Guys are full of rage, a rage which tends to erupt at some of the most unexpected and seemingly inappropriate times.

Nice Guys have difficulty setting boundaries, and instead feel like victims.

Nice Guys are attracted to people and situations that need fixing.

Nice Guys are terrible listeners because they are too busy trying to figure out how to defend themselves or fix the other person’s problem.

Nice Guys form relationships with partners who are “projects” or “diamonds in the rough.”

And Nice Guys tend to swing back and forth between the nice side and the dark side.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Elite Alpha's hoard women and use up resources. Ala' Stallone and Arnold.

[Shockwave]

Elite Alpha's hoard women and use up resources. Ala' Stallone and Arnold.

Hahaha when I read that, I seriously almost spit mountain dew out my nose laughing.

[Lundgren]

Hahaha when I read that, I seriously almost spit mountain dew out my nose laughing.

I wasn't talking about the overly nice pussy type I even restated at a later point that I meant good guy when parker brought up the issue.

I've stated I got hotility issues and OCD. Stop looking in to shit, it's out in the open.


If you look at the bilogical term from which alpha comes from the point is to gain control and get more resources, this is where the theory that to women they are more attractive, despite being seen as assholes by the rest of the group. I stand by what I said.

[Shockwave]

I wasn't talking about the overly nice pussy type I even restated at a later point that I meant good guy when parker brought up the issue.

I've stated I got hotility issues and OCD. Stop looking in to shit, it's out in the open.


If you look at the bilogical term from which alpha comes from the point is to gain control and get more resources, this is where the theory that to women they are more attractive, despite being seen as assholes by the rest of the group. I stand by what I said.

Nobodies looking into anything dumbass. Youre the one that put it out there for everyone to see, its obvious from the way you try and describe them that you have issues with them, starting a thread bitching and asking who the other guys that YOU think are nice guys, if you cant grasp this there is no hope for you. Its not like Im the only one saying this, Parker and others have seen the same thing. When are you going to cut the shit and be honest with yourself, cause you sound like a total jackass.

Nice Guys are terrible listeners because they are too busy trying to figure out how to defend themselves or fix the other person’s problem.

This is you in this whole thread.Youre not listening to anyone tryoing to help you, your just interested in how to shift blame or explain it away or deny it. 

[Shockwave]

Did you even read this? Cause this is why the people you dont like (alphas) get women, and your home by yourself and people dont want to be around you.
I know not all of this is you, but a bit of it is, your beliefs are obvious, dont try and deny it and shift. Just read it, be honest with yourself and identify WHY youre beliefs on "nice guys" and "alphas" are dead wrong and based on your bad experiences.

You have listened to her complain about the jerk who treated her badly countless times only to watch her go out with him again and again. All of your selfless acts fall to the wayside only to hear about her mistreatment the following week.

You are left in pit of despair and confusing as the mantra “nice guy’s finish last” repeats in your head. “When will she wake up? When will she realize that there is a nice guy who will treat her the way she deserves to be treated sitting right here?”

She will never realize this because you aren’t in fact a nice guy. Appearances can be deceiving and the “nice guy” act is one of the biggest deceptions around.

On the surface nice guys appear to be selfless, kind, caring human beings but this is far from the truth. Beneath their generous acts and humble words lurks something darker. A dark side few nice guys care to admit because nice guys aren’t really that nice.

Here is a paraphrase from the book “No More Mr. Nice Guy”
” :

Nice Guys avoid conflict.

Nice guys have difficulty making their needs a priority.

Nice Guys lack conviction in their opinions or beliefs. Typically they will wait and see what the popular opinion is before taking a stand. If a rift happens in the group they will wait to see who is winning before taking a side.

Nice Guys lack loyalty. They develop a chameleon like type of behavior when interacting with others. If one member of a group doesn’t like another the nice guy will take on the belief of whoever they around. One day they will talk badly of one member and the next they will reverse their opinion.

Nice Guys are dishonest. They hide their mistakes and say what they think people want to hear. They will say pretty much anything to gain the approval of others.

Nice Guys are secretive. They are so driven to seek approval that they will hide anything they believe might upset anyone.

Nice Guys are manipulative. They have a hard time making their needs a priority and have difficulty asking for what they want clearly, so they feel powerless and result to manipulation.

Nice Guys are controlling in order to keep their world smooth.

Nice Guys give to get and expect some kind of reciprocation.

Nice Guys are passive-aggressive.

Nice Guys are full of rage, a rage which tends to erupt at some of the most unexpected and seemingly inappropriate times.

Nice Guys have difficulty setting boundaries, and instead feel like victims.

Nice Guys are attracted to people and situations that need fixing.

Nice Guys are terrible listeners because they are too busy trying to figure out how to defend themselves or fix the other person’s problem.

Nice Guys form relationships with partners who are “projects” or “diamonds in the rough.”

And Nice Guys tend to swing back and forth between the nice side and the dark side.

[Lundgren]

Quote


Nice Guys are dishonest. They hide their mistakes and say what they think people want to hear. They will say pretty much anything to gain the approval of others.

Nice Guys are manipulative. They have a hard time making their needs a priority and have difficulty asking for what they want clearly, so they feel powerless and result to manipulation.

Nice Guys are controlling in order to keep their world smooth.

Nice Guys give to get and expect some kind of reciprocation.

Nice Guys are passive-aggressive.

Nice Guys are full of rage, a rage which tends to erupt at some of the most unexpected and seemingly inappropriate times.

Nice Guys have difficulty setting boundaries, and instead feel like victims.


Nice Guys are terrible listeners because they are too busy trying to figure out how to defend themselves or fix the other person’s problem.

And Nice Guys tend to swing back and forth between the nice side and the dark side.



The rest can be apllied to anyone and is just a bunch of BS
This shit that applies to me is in bold.\  The controlling nature is ocd pretty much the defition, the anger shit I'm open about the other two, well the passive agressive shit again goes back to my hostilty issues.

The victim thing is the tricky one I ain't gonna pretend to be cool with being fucked up, it sucks dick, but I don't think I'm the only one.

And in the bullying case I would be a clear cut victim, that was my point, and as was said in that thread it wasn't alpha's that every fucked with me, it was little insecure bitch's women etc, probally why I see alpha's in a neutral light. The Idea I have some vendetta is laughable.

[TrueGrit]

Not that this thread was ever gonna be a classic but you two have managed to take a giant shit all over it.

[Shockwave]

Not that this thread was ever gonna be a classic but you two have managed to take a giant shit all over it.

Sociology fascinates me. Plus after going through what I did with my addiction, I like taking and using what happened to me and what I learned on others. Its amazing to see how it looks from the other side of the wall.

[Lundgren]

Nobodies looking into anything dumbass. Youre the one that put it out there for everyone to see, its obvious from the way you try and describe them that you have issues with them, starting a thread bitching and asking who the other guys that YOU think are nice guys, if you cant grasp this there is no hope for you. Its not like Im the only one saying this, Parker and others have seen the same thing. When are you going to cut the shit and be honest with yourself, cause you sound like a total jackass.

This is you in this whole thread.Youre not listening to anyone tryoing to help you, your just interested in how to shift blame or explain it away or deny it. 

First off because I admit to my personal shit and it got mixed into the thread don't change the original point of this thread, parker asked questions and shit and I answered. You weren't a significant part of the situation and even parkers shit was only somewhat right(he's missing the large ocd part of the picture)

Dude I love arnold and lundgren do that mean I have some hatred for them fuck no. It means I don't wanna be under them don't mean I don't appreciate there view point. This is what you don't understand.
Maybe this is the Obsessive nature of my brain, but I don't connect myself to shit, as directly as you think, when there is a connection I'm pretty open about it. I try hard to avoid lieing.

[Shockwave]

First off because I admit to my personal shit and it got mixed into the thread don't change the original point of this thread, parker asked questions and shit and I answered. You weren't a significant part of the situation and even parkers shit was only somewhat right(he's missing the large ocd part of the picture)

Dude I love arnold and lundgren do that mean I have some hatred for them fuck no. It means I don't wanna be under them don't mean I don't appreciate there view point. This is what you don't understand.
Maybe this is the Obsessive nature of my brain, but I don't connect myself to shit, as directly as you think, when there is a connection I'm pretty open about it. I try hard to avoid lieing.

No dumbass. You dont even know what you were arguing about. I responded when I saw this. But no, this has NOTHING to do with your viewpoints.

Yeah but alpha suck and nobody really likes them we all pretend to wanna be em, but there usually selfish pricks who rarely contribute.

 
What excuse are you going to try and use now? Im waiting.
 
 

[no one]

What a fucking retarded thread.

LOL!

[Shockwave]

Alpha drain resources horde women etc, the whole point is to be as selfish as possible, but this is a futher extension of what women what, they want someone super selfish, they can milk for their own selfish desire. 

From the "recovering from nice guy syndrome" site.

Nice Guys hold contempt for women.

Whats your excuse gonna be for that one?
 

[Lundgren]

No dumbass. You dont even know what you were arguing about. I responded when I saw this. But no, this has NOTHING to do with your viewpoints.
 
What excuse are you going to try and use now? Im waiting.
  

if I told you a Corvette sucked would you expect me to have some deep hatred of them, no I just think alphas are overrated. Don't look to deep into it. The tone of this thread wasn't too serious, you made it so, and yes I've argued the whole way as I enjoy making a point clearer, I still have a genuine interest in the question of the difference between alpha's good guys(not nice guys) but you guys still seems to make it all about my deep subconcious desires that I'm hiding despite that i was even open about my personal shit.