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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2010, 05:21:52 PM »

This one threw me for a loop when i went to amsterdam ... open public pissers





Would be cool to see some "fe"male bodybuilders use those when they go over to guest pose or compete 8)

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2010, 05:23:57 PM »
 In my town they have some restrooms that men and women share. And there are lots of restrooms where there is no door and everyone can just see you pissing.

 I don't see what the big deal is about it. People are too uptight about that kind of thing.

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2010, 05:24:23 PM »
Doesn't look so sanitary as you have to get so close .

They're good.

And actually more sanitary than regular public bathrooms as you stand outdoors and on a steel net as opposed to some urine filled floor.

You just gotta get used to them. 8)
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« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2010, 05:29:20 PM »
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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2010, 05:51:44 PM »
They're good.

And actually more sanitary than regular public bathrooms as you stand outdoors and on a steel net as opposed to some urine filled floor.

You just gotta get used to them. 8)

Whats the point of them? Seems like they are trying to be so post modern and cool.  ::)

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2010, 05:52:23 PM »
Yes, thats exactly what I meant, as I clarified with Kiwi.

k my bad coach.

i thought u were talking steroids as well, i didnt see your earlier post.

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2010, 07:23:43 PM »
Weed has ruined my life.  Let me rephrase that the laws have ruined my life.  Not totally but making it very difficult.  I will be going to jail Friday for 2 weeks because I failed a drug test.  I smoked that K2 shit and wouldn't you know that they just started testing for it the first time I even tried it.  Just my luck.

Oh well.  Be back in 2 weeks (hopefully)  ;)

I am currently in a drug court program.

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2010, 08:05:05 PM »
Weed has ruined my life.  Let me rephrase that the laws have ruined my life.  Not totally but making it very difficult.  I will be going to jail Friday for 2 weeks because I failed a drug test.  I smoked that K2 shit and wouldn't you know that they just started testing for it the first time I even tried it.  Just my luck.

Oh well.  Be back in 2 weeks (hopefully)  ;)

I am currently in a drug court program.

That sucks, mate. See you in the boards when you get back.

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2010, 08:12:51 PM »
Coach is a totally unconscious entity who can't think outside of the letter I or word me. Seems like a decent guy though, just what most people would call new money/soul

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2010, 08:27:29 PM »
weed really is one of the worst drugs... at least with uppers like meth, coke, mdma, etc. you're still productive (many times over productive) weed just makes you a retarded stoner, a lot of guys I went to  high school with ended up having their lives fucked up because of weed, just like the poster stated above a lot of these guys were on the honor roll before grade 10 or were team captains in sports, after a few years of being introduced to weed most of them had dropped out , some became homeless, a few I saw recently are working at starbucks and walmart for $10 an hour...still living with their parents, and they're in their 30's..

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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2010, 08:41:30 PM »
weed really is one of the worst drugs... at least with uppers like meth, coke, mdma, etc. you're still productive (many times over productive) weed just makes you a retarded stoner, a lot of guys I went to  high school with ended up having their lives fucked up because of weed, just like the poster stated above a lot of these guys were on the honor roll before grade 10 or were team captains in sports, after a few years of being introduced to weed most of them had dropped out , some became homeless, a few I saw recently are working at starbucks and walmart for $10 an hour...still living with their parents, and they're in their 30's..


There are different strains of weed. Most of the stuff circulating is the type that make people sit around and do nothing. Exactly what "they" want. They don't want us to understand what different strains can do for us. ;)

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2010, 08:46:01 PM »
And to think people start threads and talk shit about me all because I voted no on the weed issue. Its not my place to tell people what they can or cannot do and my opinionated facts are all based on personal experiance. Its not a "me" or "I" issue.

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« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2010, 03:13:10 AM »
Epic rationalization of Rushs' actions.. Can I use this in class to demonstrate the lengths people will go to defend illegal behavior? For the record, dems do it to..

Of course, that's what intelligent people do. We use our minds to make rational decisions base on reason rather than emotion. When you examine the cost/benefit ratio on this "war on drugs" it's not a good investment. Not even close. Mexico is now one of the most dangerous places on earth solely because drugs are illegal. In any dispute between a legitimate business they have the option to take legal action through the courts. But just like during prohibition, drugs lords don't have that option and have to take matter into their own hands. Take the case of Rush. When you take into account the cost in prosecuting him and Rush having to defend himself versus the damage and/or harm done to society, which by all accounts was zero, a rational person rationalizing would conclude that it's not worth it and such resources can be far better used elsewhere.  

Feel free to use this "in class."

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2010, 03:25:22 AM »

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« Reply #64 on: November 11, 2010, 03:25:54 AM »
Hehe. It was for his back pain. Which easily explains the doctor shopping, and the buying of pills from his (front) maid. Oh, and the viagra-fuelled trip to visit the nice children of the DR. Guy's a hypocritical shitbag. You wanna defend someone with all your GOP might, that's cool, but find someone who actually deserves your efforts.

Hehe, has nothing to do with politics and political parties. Interesting you should see it through that prism. But when that whole Rush thing came up I found that it had more to do with a person's hatred of Rush than in the case itself. For my part, it's standing by the principle that you, and you alone, own your body. What you do to your body, as long as doesn't impinge on the freedom and rights of others, is nobody's business. Your political party, or anything about you or your beliefs, is completely irrelevant.  

Now there are some who would argue that, say a person who eats himself into obesity and a heart attack, or those who take unnecessary risks to their health are a burden to the health care system. But that is a problem of socialism. No one should be forced to pay for another who risks or ruins their health due to irresponsible, unnecessary and/or reckless behavior. When I didn't have health insurance I gave up Jiu-Jitsu training because I knew my propensity for injuries. It gave me that much more of an incentive to get health insurance.


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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2010, 03:29:22 AM »
Weed did not ruin your life  ::). The retarded laws did.

QFT!!!!!!

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2010, 03:30:20 AM »

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« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2010, 05:22:10 AM »
There seems to be a pattern with conservative christian steroid users who have seen the light and now know the evils of rec drugs. They are projecting their own personal fears and weaknesses with regards to rec drugs on to others, cause they can't understand that there are people out there that don't need a "savior" or that can enjoy some weed and be happy and successful.

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« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2010, 05:31:40 AM »
There seems to be a pattern with conservative christian steroid users who have seen the light and now know the evils of rec drugs. They are projecting their own personal fears and weaknesses with regards to rec drugs on to others, cause they can't understand that there are people out there that don't need a "savior" or that can enjoy some weed and be happy and successful.

the christian come back to jesus crowd are the absolut worst hormone users,,they use alot more than hormones in many cases,,but the reborn christians are usualy convicts,,people who didnt have so good life,,the jeff willet type fellas,,they make sins against their so called god on a daily basis by LIEING about their hormone use,,they have no shame

so many in this cult are convicts who take on bodybuilding remain convicts and become reborn christian while still being sinners ,,its so hypocritical in america,,i dont know how one can wake up in the morning and look in mirror and tell him self im a good loving god christian ,,i got back to god and 30 min later make an order of 5 kit gh and 10 vial testosterone lol its not that those are drugs because hormones are not drugs but its the rule of law christian so belive in and in american hormones are controlled...so they are breaking law those good christians ,,now true they wont get in trouble because personal users do not in 99% cases unles they wave it infront of law ,,but! its the idea behind following your god and being good christan,,it just dont sit together well,,

this is just embaresing  :D,,but they dont care mmthey are addict ,,they cant function with out test anymore ,,and gh comes with age...

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2010, 05:56:25 AM »
When you examine the cost/benefit ratio on this "war on drugs" it's not a good investment. Not even close a rational person would conclude that it's not worth it and such resources can be far better used elsewhere.  



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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2010, 07:15:54 AM »
weed really is one of the worst drugs... at least with uppers like meth, coke, mdma, etc. you're still productive (many times over productive) weed just makes you a retarded stoner, a lot of guys I went to  high school with ended up having their lives fucked up because of weed, just like the poster stated above a lot of these guys were on the honor roll before grade 10 or were team captains in sports, after a few years of being introduced to weed most of them had dropped out , some became homeless, a few I saw recently are working at starbucks and walmart for $10 an hour...still living with their parents, and they're in their 30's..
Correlation is not causation. I'd argue that these guys, if they didn't find weed, would find something else to fark up their life. Most people who use weed are just regular people who use it to relax. I like the high, but I'm not a smoker, so it's a bit of work - so these days I indulge, maybe, every couple of years.    

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2010, 07:30:23 AM »
And to think people start threads and talk shit about me all because I voted no on the weed issue. Its not my place to tell people what they can or cannot do and my opinionated facts are all based on personal experiance. Its not a "me" or "I" issue.

well, most of California agrees with you, so it's not an issue at all anymore.  funny how democrats always try to get the biggest pieces of shit in society to vote for them, illegal mexicans, potheads, etc.  you never see a democratic rally for business development.
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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2010, 07:50:33 AM »
Funny how most of you morons avoid a real debate, ignore my and other peoples REAL arguments and base your opinions on blatant lies, misinformation and completely irrelevant personal experience. When any of you are up for a real debate let me know, until then I shall regard you all as ignorant douchebags.

You're a drug addict, you have no say

but hey I'm sure you can quit any day, right ?

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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2010, 07:55:09 AM »
Alcohol More Harmful Than Crack or Heroin
Written by Tim Locke   


Nov. 1, 2010 -- Alcohol abuse is more harmful than crack or heroin abuse, according to a new study by a former British government drug advisor and other experts.

alcohoNeuropharmacologis t David Nutt, MD, of Imperial College London, and colleagues rated 20 different drugs on a scale that takes into account the various harms caused by a drug. Drugs are rated on nine harms a drug causes an individual and seven harms a drug causes society.

The scale, developed by a panel of experts called the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs (ICSD), ranges from 0 (no harm) to 100 (greatest possible harm). It is weighted so that a drug that scores 50 is half as harmful as a drug that scores 100.

"The highest and lowest overall harm scores ... are 72 for alcohol and 5 for mushrooms," Nutt and colleagues calculate. "The ICSD scores lend support to the widely accepted view that alcohol is an extremely harmful drug both to users and to society."

Alcohol was found to be the most harmful drug to society and the fourth most harmful drug to users.

The findings should come as no surprise: Alcohol has been linked to more than 60 diseases.

"Alcohol does all kinds of things in the body, and we're not fully aware of all its effects," alcohol researcher James C. Garbutt, MD, of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, recently told WebMD. "It's a pretty complicated little molecule."
Alcohol vs. Heroin, Other Drugs

Using the ICSD ratings, Nutt and colleagues rated 20 substances in terms of the overall harm they do. Their results:

 
Alcohol    72
Heroin    55
Crack    54
Crystal meth    33
Cocaine    27
Tobacco    26
Amphetamine/speed    23
Cannabis (marijuana)    20
GHB    18
Benzodiazepines (e.g. valium)    15
Ketamine    15
Methadone    14
Mephedrone (aka drone, MCAT)    13
Butane    10
Khat    9
Ecstacy    9
Anabolic steroids    9
LSD    7
Buprenorphine    6
Mushrooms    5

 

Heroin, crack, and crystal meth were the most harmful drugs to the individual, while alcohol, heroin and crack were the most harmful to others.

According to this "multicriteria decision analysis approach," alcohol is almost three times as harmful as cocaine or tobacco.

Nutt and colleagues conclude that aggressively targeting alcohol harm is "a valid and necessary public health strategy."

In an editorial accompanying the Nutt team's report, Jan van Amsterdam of the Netherlands National Institute for Public Health and the Environment and Wim van den Brink of the Amsterdam Institute for Addiction research note that the legal penalties prescribed by various nations' drug policies are out of synch with the actual harms caused by different drugs.

"It is intriguing to note that the two legal drugs assessed -- alcohol and tobacco -- score in the upper segment of the ranking scale, indicating that legal drugs cause at least as much harm as do illegal substances," van Amsterdam and van den Brink write.

The editorial and the Nutt study appear in the Nov. 1 Online First edition of The Lancet.
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Re: The Coach: drug abuser for years, doesn't want marijuana to be legal?
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2010, 08:00:09 AM »
Like it or not, taking drugs is a matter of course in the United States.  For any generation younger than the baby boomers, blazing a joint at a party is pretty much on par with having a drink.  Exactly which drug leads to the use of other drugs is really irrelevant.  The fact is, if you are inclined to use drugs, then you will use drugs-- either for recreation or performance enhancement-- there's really no moral difference.  Anyone who thinks there is, and smokes cigarettes or drinks alcohol to boot, is a total hypocrite. There is no denying that anabolic steroids, and their accompanying drugs, have a tremendous positive effect on building muscle and burning fat, but the fact is that these same substances are illegal where most bodybuilders live.

However, when you consider the evidence and compare them to the drugs that are legal, there's no sane reason for these drugs to be illegal.  Somehow, the war on drugs has scooped bodybuilding up into the fold, and something has to be done to pull it back out and give the bodybuilders back their freedom to make choices regarding their own bodies.  If you look at the facts, there's undeniably a strong case to legalize all drugs and put the freedom of choice into the hands of the people where it belongs.  America is supposed to be the land of the free, but it really isn't.

When President Nixon declared war on drugs, it was criticized by Nobel Prize winning economist Milton Friedman for the freedom it disallows.  According to Friedman, "On ethical grounds, do we have the right to use the machinery of government," [and the tax payer's money], "to prevent an individual from becoming an alcoholic or a drug addict?  For children, everyone would answer at least a qualified yes.  But for responsible adults, I, for one, would answer no.  Reason with the potential addict, yes.  Tell him the consequences, yes.  Pray for him and with him, yes.  But I believe that we have no right to use force, directly or indirectly, to prevent a fellow man from committing suicide, let alone from drinking alcohol or taking drugs."  ....No wonder he won a Nobel Prize.

Friedman's sentiments came over a hundred years after those of radical 19th century utilitarian English philosopher, John Stuart Mill, who's famous essay "On Liberty" argued that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.  His own good, either physically or moral, is not a sufficient warrant........  Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign."

Clearly these two great minds understood the basic tenets of personal freedom, and it's interesting that Americans were ultimately allowed these freedoms when the U.S. government decided the legalities of alcohol and tobacco.  But what were they thinking when they classified the other drugs, specifically marijuana, cocaine, and subsequently steroids?  Personal freedom in these regards were clearly usurped.

Let's take tobacco and marijuana for a moment.  Close your eyes and imagine that you're a law maker and you need to decide what to do with these two plants.  Bear in mind that they are both plants, having inhabited the earth long before modern man knew what to do with them.  How it was even possible that a government could exercise its power on the recreational use of these two plants is no different than deciding the legalities of green tea.   The notion is absolutely ludicrous. Nevertheless, one plant is physically addictive, carcinogenic, habit-forming and is responsible for tens of thousands of cases of heart disease, emphysema and cancer related deaths a year.  The other is virtually harmless by comparison, non-addictive physically, and in over 100 studies, has shown beneficial analgesic, anti-asthma, and anti-glaucoma properties, not to mention the fact that there are no reported deaths from its use-- probably because even the most ardent pot head doesn't smoke 40 joints a day, but a two-pack-a-day smoker does.  Which one do you legalize and promote the world over?  The fact that tobacco is legal and pot isn't is absolutely insane.  The gateway to harder drugs theory is poppycock too.  Anyone who smoked a joint in high school  did so after smoking cigarettes in the bathroom or drinking beer out of a keg.

 

Has Nixon's war on drugs thwarted drug use in this country?  Those who answered "yes," line up over there-- the Brooklyn Bridge will be going on sale soon.  An easy surf down the internet will substantiate the following statistics; the United States of America sustains 6% of the world's population and we consume 68% of the world's drug production.  Nixon, roll over in your grave; we're talking about a $60 billion market in the U.S. today.  Imagine the potential tax revenues that the government could be earning.  But instead, the U.S. government spends $40 billion a year of tax payer's money keeping Tricky Dick's legacy afloat.  That's what happens when law makers drink instead of smoke dope.

Furthermore, the  drug war has had 35 years to corrupt law enforcement, encourage gang violence and spread crime, erode civil liberties, and endanger public health by making it impossible to regulate the quality of a widely consumed product.  And, the problem is global.  In the U.S. and in the countries that supply it, the attempt to wage war on drugs has had effects more devastating than the drugs themselves, including the following social anomalies:

Police departments rely on criminals to do their job.  Why?  Because drug dealing is a victim-less crime-- the guy buying the drugs is just as happy as the guy selling them.  Who is going to report a crime-- the little rat who got popped last week?  According to Friedman, the use of these "informants" generates an additional enormous expenditure for the tax payers to bear.  These immense sums of money will inevitably lead to corruption-- as they did during prohibition.  The use of informants also leads to violations of civil rights of innocent people, to the shameful degree that forcible entry and the forfeiture of property without due process are common today.

And, like with most wars, there are POWs. According to the Department of Justice, In 1970,  200,000 people were in state and federal prisons. At year-end 2007, the total incarcerated population reached 2,413,112 inmates in state and federal prisons. The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, some 738 per 100,000 of the national population. American prisons are crammed with drug offenders who now account for roughly one in four of all those in state custody and more than half of all federal prisoners.   Attempting to win the war on drugs is the reason the far majority of these people, including some bodybuilders, are incarcerated.  Do you have any idea what that costs taxpayers on top of the $40 billion it took to put them in there? According to the American Corrections Association, the average daily cost per state prison inmate per day in the US is $67.55. State prisons held 253,300 inmates for drug offenses in 2005. That means states spent approximately $17,110,415 per day to imprison drug offenders, or $6,245,301,475 per year. And don't think they will be better people when they come out.

To make matters worse, the US locks up more African-Americans, disproportionate to its population than any other country on the planet.  According to Connecticut's Director of Addiction Services, for every 100,000 American men arrested, 3,109 of them are African-American.  Our closest Competitor in the race to lock up black men is South Africa.  Even during its pre-Mandela period of overt public policy of apartheid, South Africa incarcerated 729 black men for every 100,000 men.  Did you get that?  We lock up over four times as many black men as the only country in the world that had an overt political policy of apartheid with an inversely proportional ratio of blacks to whites as compared to America!

The drug war bombs the inner city too.  Crowded inner cities concentrate the population making it considerably more advantageous to sell drugs on city streets than country roads.  Although, not all drug buyers live in the city, drug dealers do - along with the violence and crime associated with disputes between rival drug dealers.  Dealers who only have a burgeoning market because drugs are illegal.  Al Capone was to Prohibition what the Latin Kings are to the drug war.

If drugs are bad for you, the war made them worse.  This period of drug prohibition has made drugs extremely expensive - relative to their production costs, even though street prices have come down - and of questionable quality.  Drug users must consort with criminals and many times become criminals themselves in order to finance their habit.  This whole AIDS spreading  dirty needle sharing thing is a direct result of pins being hard to get, thanks to the drug war.

The DEA has put so much pressure on physicians who prescribe narcotics for pain, patients in pain are chronically under treated.  According to the Federal Department of Health and Human Services, two-thirds of all terminal cancer patients do not receive adequate pain medication.  Wouldn't want a cancer patient dying a drug addict, would we?  The numbers for non-terminally ill patients are surely higher.

Globally, the war fought here has a harmful effect on the drug producing countries.  Columbia, Mexico, Peru and others have suffered the loss of thousands of lives, lost enormous wealth, and have had the stability of their governments undermined - because we have a drug war.  If we didn't, we wouldn't have a market for imported drugs - there would be no drug cartels, and all treachery that goes along with them.

To employ Nixon ideology, however noble, to rid bodybuilding of drugs has surely done for bodybuilding what the drug war did for America. I'm sure you caught many of the similarities above.  Already, not withstanding the criminal aspects, the illegal drugs used in bodybuilding have created their own set of evils, many of which do parallel street drugs.  However, unlike street drug users, the greatest risk to a bodybuilder is still getting caught.  But how did this happen?
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