pm quetion answered

[gh15]

dear gh15,

What is the real cause for the bloated face. If you look at Even Gastrafani's latest pics he looks fairly lean but has the face of a 20% bf...

Is it the insulin, GH, testosterone 

the guy's back in the day looked a lot better in the face than today

testosterona and gh combo ,,fellas who walk around 285 at sub 8% are severe drug abusers,,even is not playing with little doses,,this is not some 6'4 fella that grew to 270 by using 5-10 unit gh and combo aas ,,,this is an average height fella that walk 280 at single digit,,HE IS ABUSER OF HORMONES AT THE ABSOLIT WORST DEGREE,, I REPEAT NOTHING TO DO WITH GENETIC,,THOSE FELLAS USE HUMONGUS DOSES,,THEY USE ALOT ALOT ALOT OF GH AND TEST INADDITION TO MANY OTHER ANABOLICS,,the hgh and the test at thoe doses will blow anyones face,,even at a lot lower dose they do even with arimidex

the problem is that fellas do not understyand the level of degree of abuse of hormone a professional bodybuilder is doing,,they do not get it ,,they try to but dont,,it is only the one who walk the walk who know how evere it is ,,do not believe anyone who tell you otherwise,,a fella like lee priest is ABOLIT ADDICTED TO DRUGS,,HE CAN NOT FUNCTION WITH OUT THEM AND HE IS ON MEGA DOSE OF GH AND OTHER HORMONES INORDER TO SEE THE FINAL PRODUCT YOU SEE ,,even though! lee priest is finished and no more competiton ,,



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[Tapeworm]

No shit, Sherlock.

Btw you didn't answer his question at all.

[gh15]

guys back in the day used less hgh,,and also ate much better ,,inaddition they didnt go on slin so high doses,,and they maintained close bodyfat to competition all year in majority of cases,,

its the doses,,what happened in the last 15 years is absolutly catastrophy,,they used it back in before those last 15 years but since end of 90s it became simply 90-95 percent drugs

last place where fat/bloat goes is face,,you dont train your cheek bones or cheek muscle,,so that is where the bloat of overdoses such as today will show ,,

dex still manage to have shreded face then again its usually cloe to competition for reasons i mentioned,,

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[gh15]

also what you fellas dont understand is,,that there is severe difference betwen he regular hobby bodybuilder and professional someone who will stop at nothing to get pro card,,and what do i mean by that,,ill explain

lets say you go on hgh,,you decide to be brave and go on 5 iu lol,, so you go and inject 5 iu every day 3 morning then 2 later on ,,2 week pass you are growing you gain 10lb of good mass everything look good every one start tellin you you are very big etc etc,, you go on and continue ,,after 3 weeks at night you suddenly feel very bloated ,,your hands look like sausage fingers,,you look like you got a mosnster thick hand,,your curpel tunnel is strong,,you worry ,,a normal fella like you thast night do not inject the gh injection because he want to relax his body surender to mental inabilities and scardness and bloated this bloated that....while....

the professional and top amatuer will stop at absolit nothing! he will not only inject that night the dose needed ,,but he will wake p in the middle of the night to take another dose and increase it even higher,,

now! thats how it is,,the reason those guys are there is because the way they approach it and the response to it ,,nothing scare them ,,they will take anyuthing in mega doses inorder to advance and win or even come last in the best competition ,,they will not give a fuck about side effect untill a kidny is gone or liver is out,,and even then ,,if they recover and sometimes even if not ,,they go back with "doc permision",,this is bodybuildign 2010 my friends,,this is it

you thnkyour 5 iu is a lot of gh eh? thoe fellsas put in 4 times what you do and every single day with lot and lots of other hormones,,

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[Tapeworm]

guys back in the day used less hgh,,

So GH causes it?

and also ate much better

Or this?

inaddition they didnt go on slin so high doses,,

And then?

and they maintained close bodyfat to competition all year in majority of cases,,

And then?

its the doses,,what happened in the last 15 years is absolutly catastrophy,,they used it back in before those last 15 years but since end of 90s it became simply 90-95 percent drugs

So just too many drugs?

last place where fat/bloat goes is face,,you dont train your cheek bones or cheek muscle,,so that is where the bloat of overdoses such as today will show ,,

Now you're endorsing the idea of spot reduction of fat from exercise?  Only fat housewives think it works that way.  It doesn't.

dex still manage to have shreded face then again its usually cloe to competition for reasons i mentioned,,

Dex doesn't take any drugs around competition time?




His question was:

Is it the insulin, GH, testosterone

Seems like you're leaning toward GH now.  Sure?  Is that you're final answer? 

Keep trying, "gh15."  If you manage to stumble onto the answer, I'll give you a lollipop.

[gh15]

So GH causes it?

Or this?

And then?

And then?

So just too many drugs?

Now you're endorsing the idea of spot reduction of fat from exercise?  Only fat housewives think it works that way.  It doesn't.

Dex doesn't take any drugs around competition time?




His question was:

Seems like you're leaning toward GH now.  Sure?  Is that you're final answer? 

Keep trying, "gh15."  If you manage to stumble onto the answer, I'll give you a lollipop.

somebody show this kid where the door is so he can try to knock the brain out of his head for exam or something,,

i said exacly what it was from ,,to msake it short for your generation nothingness:

hgh and test at high doses,,i repetddly say it in mnay of my posts,,you read the bible you should know,,and i did never mention spot reduction kid,,i said that you dont exercise your face ,,as in you dont pump weights with your face,,big difference

the anwer is what i wrote in the first posting first half entence my retarded friend

go back to your cave now,,


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[affeman]

lets say you go on hgh,,you decide to be brave and go on 5 iu lol,, so you go and inject 5 iu every day 3 morning then 2 later on ,,

Last week or so you said GH is always injected at night for various reasons.

[gh15]

no,,i always say surprize the body ! always ,,i always say it unless you are in an older age when night will be ok ,,you csan inject gh anytime you want practicaly,,but im in the opinion and my opinion is the only thign that count ,,that you should alwys surprise your body with morning dose that is stable ,,example am dose,,then middle day and night,,or morening dose and then pre training and 2 hour before sleep,,i also of the opion that doses of gh should be changed all the time,,have a base and increase and play with it same as it was when you were 17 when your body did it naturally only to the 10th degree since insted of 2 iu you have now 5 or 10 or 15 or 20 that in return create the losers you got on stage now days,,

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[affeman]

no,,i always say surprize the body ! always ,,i always say it unless you are in an older age when night will be ok ,,you csan inject gh anytime you want practicaly,,but im in the opinion and my opinion is the only thign that count ,,that you should alwys surprise your body with morning dose that is stable ,,example am dose,,then middle day and night,,or morening dose and then pre training and 2 hour before sleep,,i also of the opion that doses of gh should be changed all the time,,have a base and increase and play with it same as it was when you were 17 when your body did it naturally only to the 10th degree since insted of 2 iu you have now 5 or 10 or 15 or 20 that in return create the losers you got on stage now days,,

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In Europe there's the trend now to use GH only on training days, the whole dose immedeately postworkout (preferrably already on the gym toilet). When u were using let's say 4 IUs ed so far (28 IUs per week), and lift 4 times per week, you're now using 7 IUs only on training days postworkout.

This is supposed to stimulate the IGF1 production the most which is way more effective, as IGF1 has a way longer half-life than GH. What do you think about that?

[Tapeworm]

hgh and test at high doses,,

Getting warmer but not quite there.  So why the difference from the old days?  Don't be afraid to be specific, since you know all about these matters. 

You can google if it will help you.

[gh15]

In Europe there's the trend now to use GH only on training days, the whole dose immedeately postworkout (preferrably already on the gym toilet). When u were using let's say 4 IUs ed so far (28 IUs per week), and lift 4 times per week, you're now using 7 IUs only on training days postworkout.

This is supposed to stimulate the IGF1 production the most which is way more effective, as IGF1 has a way longer half-life than GH. What do you think about that?

no!,,gh better smaller doses spead all along day EVERY DAY ,,diff times all the time,,thats th ebest growth and thus best bf% reduction since they are both dependent of eachother,,dont believe the new protocolos they are to save money for the poor,, hgh = the more the better ,, ofcoure it go paralel with the need for more aas,,but the most important is to take it daily and to surprise the body not in a 3 day a week but in as every day ,,consistancy is still matter,, it just need to come at different time during the day ,,growth with hgh wil happen even if you inject it 8 day a week lol the mission of hgh is one and it always achieves it ,,MAKE YOUR HEAD LOOK SMALL ON YOUR BODY,,no steroid does it,,im talkin normal head not too small to begin with or too big,,normal head on hgh get smaller in comparison to body since body get so large,,so even when head grow little it still look smaller on the body like photoshaop like dont belong there,,best feeling in the world and the only reason 90% of bodybuilder can even step on stage now days because they look like shit

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[g101]

so technically if you want to avoid moon face completely, you can use either use high dose of test OR high dose of GH and never high doses of both?

[Tapeworm]

so technically if you want to avoid moon face completely, you can use either use high dose of test OR high dose of GH and never high doses of both?

No, he's taking his best guess but he's wrong.  Testosterone can give you a big face as a result of:

- Aromatization and associated water retention
- Polycythemia
- Muscle hypertrophy

GH won't give you 'moon face' but prolonged excessive use will make you look acromegalic, aka fuckin' ugly, among other irreversible sides.

The reason bodybuilders of the 60s and 70s were less afflicted is because of more moderate doses and also because testosterone wasn't a preferred drug with lots of guys.  Many used non aromatizing hormones instead, particularly during prep.  Remember that we see far more competition photos of guys from that era than off season photos, so it's easy to mistakenly conclude that they looked more or less that way all the time.

If you want to avoid moon face, either stay away from testosterone or use it in conjunction with an AI.  And don't be so goddamn fat.

[gh15]

No, he's taking his best guess but he's wrong.  Testosterone can give you a big face as a result of:

- Aromatization and associated water retention
- Polycythemia
- Muscle hypertrophy

GH won't give you 'moon face' but prolonged excessive use will make you look acromegalic, aka fuckin' ugly, among other irreversible sides.

The reason bodybuilders of the 60s and 70s were less afflicted is because of more moderate doses and also because testosterone wasn't a preferred drug with lots of guys.  Many used non aromatizing hormones instead, particularly during prep.  Remember that we see far more competition photos of guys from that era than off season photos, so it's easy to mistakenly conclude that they looked more or less that way all the time.

If you want to avoid moon face, either stay away from testosterone or use it in conjunction with an AI.  And don't be so goddamn fat.

you may be one of the most ignoranat individuals i have read on getbig,,and whyh i say it,,

1. use of testosterone in the 70s and 80s was  high ,,nto as today high but still it wss nto 200mg a week lol,,

2. the use of gh was les to none existent ,,but in the 80s it was less,,

3. the combo of both gh and testterona create this  face you talkin about to the degree you are talking about ,,HIGH LEVEL OF TEST AND I MEAN HIGH THAT WITH THE USE OF GH CREATE A BIG HEAD FEATURES FACE THAT IS ALSO BALOONED,,

AND 4,,AND MOST IMPPORTANT POINT OF MY L;ECTURE TO YOUR  BOOK READING WORM IS THIS,,

A FELLA ON THE DRUG HALODROL CAN HAVE A MOON FACE AND HAVE MOON FACE WITHIN FIRST 2 WEEKS OF INTAKE,,HALODROL AKA TURINABOL!!! THEY HAVE THE MOON FACE GOING OFCOURSE TO A LESSER DEGREE BUT ITS THERE,,SO ITS NOT ONLY FROM TEST IT IS FROM ANY COMPOUND THAT IS SOMEWHAT ANDROGENIC,,THE BODY FIGHT IT WITH CREATING MORE ESTROGEN  IT TRY TO BALANCE THE EXTRSA TESOSTERONA BY CREATING MORE ESTROGEN,,SAME WITH HGH BODY IMMEDIATLY PRODUCE MORE ESTROGEN ,,ESTROGEN IS BIG CONTRIBUTER FOR GROWTH ,,BIG BIG CONTRIBUTER,,THE BODY FIND A SWEET SPOT AFTER A WHILE WITH LOWER DOSES BUT!!

WHAT HE ASKED IS ABOTU MOON FACE  AT THE WORST LEVELS AND THAT COMES OUT OF MEGA DOSES OF TESTOSTERONA AND HGH,,ESPECIALLY AT THE BGGINING STAGES BEFORE BODY GOT ADAPTED TO THE DOSES,, WITH OR WITH OUT AI OR AE,,

now reas it 100 time paperworm and learn something,,i dont like your cokiness even though some people im ok with their cokiness and the reason i dont like it is becaue you have no idea about real world application of bodybuilding,,you give a book crap that is equivelent to the balonie doctores know about hormones,,it is not good enough on getbig.com,,try muscular devlopment

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[makaveli25]

Man I get moon face off of 250mg of test. I hate it. I get a double fing chin from it. I just came off of a cycle 10 days ago and everyone has commented how much better I look with a slimmer face. The boat was gone after a week of being off since I used prop. I can't stand the bloat.

[gh15]

i keep getgin the question ,,what shoudl one expect when on gh,,i already answered it million times,,but i guess i wasnt clear enough,,so ill repeat,,

when you add gh to your steroid arenal you actually start growing,,and fast!,,usually first 30 days on legit gh = 10-15 new lean lb while remaining same bodyfat you started with,,220 10% will be 235-24010% within 30 days on gh at 5 ius

ofcoure the more you use the larger one wil be and faster rate body fat go away and you can also eat much more and not care what you eat ,,

so to conclude this million time conversation ,, 15lb is easy add on while adding gh to an already on going steroid cycle ,,that is after you already platue from the cycle,,meaning you have no more gains from cycle of roids,,you add gh and boom you got that right 30 days and extra 15 lb on your physiqe without increasing even 1 percent bodyfat,,infact you lose bodyfat but you cant see it since you hold some water,,

thats the allllllllllllllllll trick behind bodybuilding ,,behind alimani,,and guru mishko,,and guru granma and guru for jason cutler and guru for anyone,,
always gh in  and growing never stops until frame cant take anymore which is around 300lb for 5'9 ofcoure insulin is a must for 300 but gh byitelf can get you very very big along with steroids,,up to 250 and lean at 5'9


and again for the last time ,,people talk about longer ue of gh because the stebelizing and developing and conditioning of the mutation  takes longer,,maturing the muscle with steroids,,increasing it in size,,etc etc

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[~UN_$ung~]

you idiots keep asking the honorable GH15 the same question..........


lucky for you, he is patient god, with a concern for your bodybuilding progress



you should all thank him again for his generosity in taking the time to answer your banal and redundant questions over and over again (when he has already answered the same questions ad infinitum and to exhaustion)

[The_Hammer]

gh15 is a fraud

[Tapeworm]

you may be one of the most ignoranat individuals i have read on getbig,,and whyh i say it,,

1. use of testosterone in the 70s and 80s was  high ,,nto as today high but still it wss nto 200mg a week lol,,

2. the use of gh was les to none existent ,,but in the 80s it was less,,

3. the combo of both gh and testterona create this  face you talkin about to the degree you are talking about ,,HIGH LEVEL OF TEST AND I MEAN HIGH THAT WITH THE USE OF GH CREATE A BIG HEAD FEATURES FACE THAT IS ALSO BALOONED,,

AND 4,,AND MOST IMPPORTANT POINT OF MY L;ECTURE TO YOUR  BOOK READING WORM IS THIS,,

A FELLA ON THE DRUG HALODROL CAN HAVE A MOON FACE AND HAVE MOON FACE WITHIN FIRST 2 WEEKS OF INTAKE,,HALODROL AKA TURINABOL!!! THEY HAVE THE MOON FACE GOING OFCOURSE TO A LESSER DEGREE BUT ITS THERE,,SO ITS NOT ONLY FROM TEST IT IS FROM ANY COMPOUND THAT IS SOMEWHAT ANDROGENIC,,THE BODY FIGHT IT WITH CREATING MORE ESTROGEN  IT TRY TO BALANCE THE EXTRSA TESOSTERONA BY CREATING MORE ESTROGEN,,SAME WITH HGH BODY IMMEDIATLY PRODUCE MORE ESTROGEN ,,ESTROGEN IS BIG CONTRIBUTER FOR GROWTH ,,BIG BIG CONTRIBUTER,,THE BODY FIND A SWEET SPOT AFTER A WHILE WITH LOWER DOSES BUT!!

WHAT HE ASKED IS ABOTU MOON FACE  AT THE WORST LEVELS AND THAT COMES OUT OF MEGA DOSES OF TESTOSTERONA AND HGH,,ESPECIALLY AT THE BGGINING STAGES BEFORE BODY GOT ADAPTED TO THE DOSES,, WITH OR WITH OUT AI OR AE,,

now reas it 100 time paperworm and learn something,,i dont like your cokiness even though some people im ok with their cokiness and the reason i dont like it is becaue you have no idea about real world application of bodybuilding,,you give a book crap that is equivelent to the balonie doctores know about hormones,,it is not good enough on getbig.com,,try muscular devlopment

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Shouldn't you be working on your lizard shape shifter tarot website?

[kevinf]

you idiots keep asking the honorable GH15 the same question..........

lucky for you, he is patient god, with a concern for your bodybuilding progress

you should all thank him again for his generosity in taking the time to answer your banal and redundant questions over and over again (when he has already answered the same questions ad infinitum and to exhaustion)

LOL!
I can just see these iidiots saying "okay hes answered what happens when you ad gh to your AAS cycle...but wtf happens when you add AAS to your gh protocol  ..lets PM him and find out"
God bless gh15

[NarcissisticDeity]

gh15 is a fraud

That's being kind.

[~UN_$ung~]

LOL!
I can just see these iidiots saying "okay hes answered what happens when you ad gh to your AAS cycle...but wtf happens when you add AAS to your gh protocol  ..lets PM him and find out"
God bless gh15

yeh exactly, people turn into unsure fussy little ninnies when it comes to steroids


they want to believe what they want to believe, they DONT want to believe other things that are true

they dont want to use common sense,,,,,,,,,they want to bother people with the same stupid beginner questions over and over again, instead of find that question answered on google a hundred thousand times already...........cause they want their hand held, instead of readinig a book, or finding it on the net

my personal favorite is when someone is gonna so a "cycle" and they are more worried about ancelleries and PCT then the cycle itself............and they spend more money on pct and ancelleries then the cycle itself..........and ask more questions about ancelleries and pct, then the fucking cycle itself

[Spike]

yeh exactly, people turn into unsure fussy little ninnies when it comes to steroids


they want to believe what they want to believe, they DONT want to believe other things that are true

they dont want to use common sense,,,,,,,,,they want to bother people with the same stupid beginner questions over and over again, instead of find that question answered on google a hundred thousand times already...........cause they want their hand held, instead of readinig a book, or finding it on the net

my personal favorite is when someone is gonna so a "cycle" and they are more worried about ancelleries and PCT then the cycle itself............and they spend more money on pct and ancelleries then the cycle itself..........and ask more questions about ancelleries and pct, then the fucking cycle itself

"but dude I heard, like, you can grow man tits if you dont use nalvadex or whatevr......dude, seriously I dont want bytch tits - for realz yo"

[kevinf]

"but dude I heard, like, you can grow man tits if you dont use nalvadex or whatevr......dude, seriously I dont want bytch tits - for realz yo"

LOL! or how bout this one
"brah, how long should i run my first 500mg test e/week cycle brah?? like i dont wanna gets tooo hyyuuugge bro, i dont want to look like ronnie coleman or anything! thats nasty bra!"

[~UN_$ung~]

"yo man, I heard you should take primobolon.....blah blah told me its the safest.............a friend of mine's brother took some dbol and overdosed"