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« Reply #150 on: June 30, 2012, 11:31:59 AM »

you know...every time it looks like you may be taking your medication and wising up, you come out with something like this that drives you back over the edge
It's not his fault.

I blame it on his Jr. High handlers.

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« Reply #151 on: June 30, 2012, 11:41:26 AM »

It's not his fault.

I blame it on his Jr. High handlers.



Yeah between ThugBama and Holder

1.  Pardon of Marc Rich
2.  Deportation of Elian Gonzalez
3.  Pardon of FLAN Terrorists
4.  Black Panther case
5.  KSM in manhattan trial fiasco
6.  Friends w a domestic terrorist and his murderous wife
7.  Rev. Wright
8.  Obama a memeber of the socialist New Party


Etc etc. 

Any white pol w even 10% of that record would not be in public office unless they were a KKK member like Democrat Byrd.   
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« Reply #152 on: June 30, 2012, 11:42:50 AM »

Yeah between ThugBama and Holder

1.  Pardon of Marc Rich
2.  Deportation of Elian Gonzalez
3.  Pardon of FLAN Terrorists
4.  Black Panther case
5.  KSM in manhattan trial fiasco
6.  Friends w a domestic terrorist and his murderous wife
7.  Rev. Wright
8.  Obama a memeber of the socialist New Party


Etc etc. 

Any white pol w even 10% of that record would not be in public office unless they were a KKK member like Democrat Byrd.   
Are you mad at me?

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« Reply #153 on: June 30, 2012, 11:45:20 AM »

Are you mad at me?



No, I pity you for your incompetence, ignorance, economic stupidity, and general lack of understanding of the ramifications of the garbage you cheer on.   
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« Reply #154 on: June 30, 2012, 11:46:08 AM »

No, I pity you for your incompetence, ignorance, economic stupidity, and general lack of understanding of the ramifications of the garbage you cheer on.   
OK, Dwight.

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« Reply #155 on: June 30, 2012, 11:47:17 AM »

You're the one who said "I don't know and I don't care" and that is something you should be called out for. As for who I am - that's not important. What's important is that I am a citizen. I can - and will - criticize whomever I want. I will especially criticize those whose response, when challenged, boils down to "I don't know and I don't care to know"

If that's thinking highly of myself, then so be it. I won't lose any sleep over it.
 

They didn't fail to pursue anyone - boss or no boss. The DoJ isn't required to prosecute a Contempt of Congress charge. The U.S.A. followed DoJ policy that would have applied whether Holder was the Attorney General or a janitor in sector 7-G.


I don't call the exercise of a prosecutor's discretionary power to not charge "shielding" anymore than I call the exercise of his discretionary power to charge "swording" especially when the action was in accordance with Department policies and there's no evidence of such "shielding" unless you assert that every time a U.S.A. decides to not prosecute something he's "shielding" someone.

What I don't care about is the non-issue you raised about a purported DOJ policy not to "prosecute Executive Branch employees for contempt of Congress charges when the charges are the result of the employees failure to produce documents over which the President has asserted Executive Privilege."  Who the heck cares about that?  Other than you?  And how many times has an executive branch employee been found in criminal contempt of Congress under these precise circumstances "going all the way back" to the 80s?  The fact I could care less about your non-issue says nothing about voting competency.   Roll Eyes

You should not lose any sleep over anything said on a message board.

Yes, they shielded their boss by not pursuing criminal contempt charges.  He shouldn't be treated any differently than any other person who is found in criminal contempt of Congress.  But that's not reality.  
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« Reply #156 on: June 30, 2012, 11:49:38 AM »

What I don't care about is the non-issue you raised about a purported DOJ policy not to "prosecute Executive Branch employees for contempt of Congress charges when the charges are the result of the employees failure to produce documents over which the President has asserted Executive Privilege."  Who the heck cares about that?  Other than you?  And how many times has an executive branch employee been found in criminal contempt of Congress under these precise circumstances "going all the way back" to the 80s?  The fact I could care less about your non-issue says nothing about voting competency.   Roll Eyes

You should not lose any sleep over anything said on a message board.

Yes, they shielded their boss by not pursuing criminal contempt charges.  He shouldn't be treated any differently than any other person who is found in criminal contempt of Congress.  But that's not reality.  


Issa released wiretaps last night clearly showing that Holder and his gang of thugs in DOJ was well aware of the gunwalking. 

Holder, like Obama and his cult of lemmings like we have on this board, believe the ends justify the means and so long as holder and thugbama are not imprisoned for their treason and crimes, anything is ok.   
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« Reply #157 on: June 30, 2012, 11:52:38 AM »


Issa released wiretaps last night clearly showing that Holder and his gang of thugs in DOJ was well aware of the gunwalking. 

Holder, like Obama and his cult of lemmings like we have on this board, believe the ends justify the means and so long as holder and thugbama are not imprisoned for their treason and crimes, anything is ok.   
Do you have a link to the Saudi handlers?

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« Reply #158 on: June 30, 2012, 11:54:58 AM »

Do you have a link to the Saudi handlers?

Thanks.



no, but obama does and I showed you the tape many times. 
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« Reply #159 on: June 30, 2012, 11:55:41 AM »

no, but obama does and I showed you the tape many times. 
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« Reply #160 on: June 30, 2012, 01:16:14 PM »

What I don't care about is the non-issue you raised about a purported DOJ policy not to "prosecute Executive Branch employees for contempt of Congress charges when the charges are the result of the employees failure to produce documents over which the President has asserted Executive Privilege."  Who the heck cares about that?  Other than you?

You should care - ask yourself why that rule is in place. As for it being a non-issue, I wonder if you'd be saying the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot.

The REAL issue - the one you haven't given any thought to because you're whining about how Holder was shielded - is whether Obama's assertion of Executive Privilege is legitimate in this instance, and that is what the House should have challenged, instead of pursuing Holder, who they knew wouldn't be subjected to a prosecution.

It's all part of the delicate political dance between the Democrats and the Republicans - two frenemies whose interests only align when it comes to pulling the wool over all of our eyes.


And how many times has an executive branch employee been found in criminal contempt of Congress under these precise circumstances "going all the way back" to the 80s?  

I don't have exact numbers, but I recall a similar case in 2008, when the DOJ under A.G. Mukasey refused to prosecute contempt of Congress referrals against two executive branch employees (Harriet Miers and Joshua Bolten) when President Bush asserted executive privilege. I believe similar situations came up during the Clinton and Reagan administrations, but I don't have the details handy.


The fact I could care less about your non-issue says nothing about voting competency.   Roll Eyes

The voting competency of anyone who isn't willing to educate himself and understand the underlying issues that are political in nature and one claims to be interested in is suspect.


You should not lose any sleep over anything said on a message board.

How can I not? There's so many important questions - like should Nasser have won the Olympia?


Yes, they shielded their boss by not pursuing criminal contempt charges.  He shouldn't be treated any differently than any other person who is found in criminal contempt of Congress.  But that's not reality.

I don't know what you think the word reality means, but the reality is that Holder was treated no differently than other Executive Branch officials who were referred by the House to DOJ with contempt of Congress charges over the withholding of documents over which the President asserted Executive Privilege.
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« Reply #161 on: June 30, 2012, 02:58:31 PM »

You should care - ask yourself why that rule is in place. As for it being a non-issue, I wonder if you'd be saying the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot.

The REAL issue - the one you haven't given any thought to because you're whining about how Holder was shielded - is whether Obama's assertion of Executive Privilege is legitimate in this instance, and that is what the House should have challenged, instead of pursuing Holder, who they knew wouldn't be subjected to a prosecution.

It's all part of the delicate political dance between the Democrats and the Republicans - two frenemies whose interests only align when it comes to pulling the wool over all of our eyes.


I don't have exact numbers, but I recall a similar case in 2008, when the DOJ under A.G. Mukasey refused to prosecute contempt of Congress referrals against two executive branch employees (Harriet Miers and Joshua Bolten) when President Bush asserted executive privilege. I believe similar situations came up during the Clinton and Reagan administrations, but I don't have the details handy.


The voting competency of anyone who isn't willing to educate himself and understand the underlying issues that are political in nature and one claims to be interested in is suspect.


How can I not? There's so many important questions - like should Nasser have won the Olympia?


I don't know what you think the word reality means, but the reality is that Holder was treated no differently than other Executive Branch officials who were referred by the House to DOJ with contempt of Congress charges over the withholding of documents over which the President asserted Executive Privilege.


No, I shouldn't care about a non-issue some yahoo posted on the internet.  You're concerned about it, so I'll let you worry about it.

Not sure what you mean by the shoe being on the other foot.

You don't have exact numbers.  lol.  Right.  Maybe that's because it rarely, if ever, happens.   Roll Eyes. And it has never happened to a sitting AG.

The reality is we shouldn't expect an employee to pursue his boss and that politics plays a heavy role.  They did precisely what I expected them to do.

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« Reply #162 on: June 30, 2012, 04:07:32 PM »

No, I shouldn't care about a non-issue some yahoo posted on the internet.  You're concerned about it, so I'll let you worry about it.

A "yahoo"? LOL. The last refuge of those who can't defend their position - namecalling.


Not sure what you mean by the shoe being on the other foot.

Of course you don't.

You don't have exact numbers.  lol.  Right.  Maybe that's because it rarely, if ever, happens.

It does happen rarely - and every time it's happened the position of DOJ has been to not prosecute Executive branch officials for contempt of Congress charges that were the result of a refusal by said officials to turn over documents over which the President has asserted executive privilege.


And it has never happened to a sitting AG.

It's also never happened to a janitor working in sectors 7-G. And?


The reality is we shouldn't expect an employee to pursue his boss and that politics plays a heavy role.  They did precisely what I expected them to do.

They declined to prosecute other Executive branch members before - who were not their bosses - so it's kind of silly to assert that the position matters this time around. But I forgot - you don't care about facts that contradict your preconceived notions and challenge your positions on the issues.
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« Reply #163 on: June 30, 2012, 05:28:39 PM »

A "yahoo"? LOL. The last refuge of those who can't defend their position - namecalling.


Of course you don't.

It does happen rarely - and every time it's happened the position of DOJ has been to not prosecute Executive branch officials for contempt of Congress charges that were the result of a refusal by said officials to turn over documents over which the President has asserted executive privilege.


It's also never happened to a janitor working in sectors 7-G. And?


They declined to prosecute other Executive branch members before - who were not their bosses - so it's kind of silly to assert that the position matters this time around. But I forgot - you don't care about facts that contradict your preconceived notions and challenge your positions on the issues.

Brilliant.  Another pseudo-intellectual on the board.  Yes, you are in fact one of those internet yahoos who cannot have a simple exchange without ad hominem. 

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A "yahoo"? LOL. The last refuge of those who can't defend their position - namecalling.

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So say that. Stick to the facts - don't add your ridiculous commentary. It only serves to make people see Obama as someone more sympathetic, because assholes like you attack him.


 Roll Eyes Fuckin' troll.

^^^ This is what small-minded people do.

Don't get it twisted.  I don't care about your facts.  You like to talk about stuff that doesn't make any dang sense and/or that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.  But carry on.  You're a legend in your own mind.  lol   Smiley

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« Reply #164 on: June 30, 2012, 05:32:36 PM »

Brilliant.  Another pseudo-intellectual on the board.  Yes, you are in fact one of those internet yahoos who cannot have a simple exchange without ad hominem. 



^^^ This is what small-minded people do.

Don't get it twisted.  I don't care about your facts.  You like to talk about stuff that doesn't make any dang sense and/or that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.  But carry on.  You're a legend in your own mind.  lol   Smiley



Dont worry avxo... This is what Mark does all of the time.

He says you don't make any sense and starts rambling... Then when you coherently bring up points, he just does that same thing over and over... Oh... and he will roll his eyes at you.

I got so sick of his nonsense that I just refuse to debate with him... It serves no purpose.

Hard to believe this guy is a lawyer.
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« Reply #165 on: June 30, 2012, 05:37:11 PM »

Holder needs to go.    How anyone can defend this ghetto thing is beyond me.
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« Reply #166 on: June 30, 2012, 05:45:20 PM »

Holder needs to go.    How anyone can defend this ghetto thing is beyond me.

Yes he does.  I don't see how he makes it to the end of the year. 
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« Reply #167 on: June 30, 2012, 05:46:44 PM »

Yes he does.  I don't see how he makes it to the end of the year. 

unless of course he knows where the bodies are all buried.  . . . .  . . .
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« Reply #168 on: June 30, 2012, 06:02:59 PM »

Brilliant.  Another pseudo-intellectual on the board.  Yes, you are in fact one of those internet yahoos who cannot have a simple exchange without ad hominem.

Ouch. That hurt. MOMMY! THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET TOUCHED ME IN A BAD PLACE! Cry


^^^ This is what small-minded people do.

I never claimed to be above namecalling - and if someone is an asshole and a troll I am not going to hesitate calling that person out as an asshole and a troll. And someone who says "send Obama back to Kenya" is, plainly, a troll. As for you, if you fall back to calling me a yahoo, then don't be surprised if I answer back in terms you understand.


Don't get it twisted.  I don't care about your facts.  You like to talk about stuff that doesn't make any dang sense and/or that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.  But carry on.  You're a legend in your own mind.  lol   Smiley

Ooh, yes, it's my facts that you don't care about. As opposed, to you know, like this other set of facts from, like, reality. Which is like totally different... Roll Eyes Your amazing refutation of my positions has crushed my fragile little ego. Whatever will I do now? Cry

And I'll have you know that I don't appreciate you mocking me! I'm not a legend yet, but I will be, after I become the first ever astronaut-firefighter to win the Olympia 13 times in a row followed by the first-ever combined Nobel prize in Physics and Literature for a captivating criminal-physics drama that details the hunt for the elusive Higgs Boson, the Fields Medal in Mathematics for some sort of breakthrough in the Mathematics of Quantum Neutrino Fields, and an honorary Popeship from the Vatican. And then you'll see!
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« Reply #169 on: June 30, 2012, 06:06:50 PM »

SMM? 



Ouch. That hurt. MOMMY! THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET TOUCHED ME IN A BAD PLACE! Cry


I never claimed to be above namecalling - and if someone is an asshole and a troll I am not going to hesitate calling that person out as an asshole and a troll. And someone who says "send Obama back to Kenya" is, plainly, a troll. As for you, if you fall back to calling me a yahoo, then don't be surprised if I answer back in terms you understand.


Ooh, yes, it's my facts that you don't care about. As opposed, to you know, like this other set of facts from, like, reality. Which is like totally different... Roll Eyes Your amazing refutation of my positions has crushed my fragile little ego. Whatever will I do now? Cry

And I'll have you know that I don't appreciate you mocking me! I'm not a legend yet, but I will be, after I become the first ever astronaut-firefighter to win the Olympia 13 times in a row followed by the first-ever combined Nobel prize in Physics and Literature for a captivating criminal-physics drama that details the hunt for the elusive Higgs Boson, the Fields Medal in Mathematics for some sort of breakthrough in the Mathematics of Quantum Neutrino Fields, and an honorary Popeship from the Vatican. And then you'll see!
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« Reply #170 on: June 30, 2012, 06:12:59 PM »

Ouch. That hurt. MOMMY! THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET TOUCHED ME IN A BAD PLACE! Cry


I never claimed to be above namecalling - and if someone is an asshole and a troll I am not going to hesitate calling that person out as an asshole and a troll. And someone who says "send Obama back to Kenya" is, plainly, a troll. As for you, if you fall back to calling me a yahoo, then don't be surprised if I answer back in terms you understand.


Ooh, yes, it's my facts that you don't care about. As opposed, to you know, like this other set of facts from, like, reality. Which is like totally different... Roll Eyes Your amazing refutation of my positions has crushed my fragile little ego. Whatever will I do now? Cry

And I'll have you know that I don't appreciate you mocking me! I'm not a legend yet, but I will be, after I become the first ever astronaut-firefighter to win the Olympia 13 times in a row followed by the first-ever combined Nobel prize in Physics and Literature for a captivating criminal-physics drama that details the hunt for the elusive Higgs Boson, the Fields Medal in Mathematics for some sort of breakthrough in the Mathematics of Quantum Neutrino Fields, and an honorary Popeship from the Vatican. And then you'll see!

I see.  So the "last refuge of those who can't defend their position - namecalling" does or does not apply to you? 

The "facts" you posed are things you care about.  And they have nothing to do with the thread.  And they don't need to be "refuted," particularly when you haven't really said anything. 

You sound pretty ambitious.  But I doubt you can ever top becoming the most powerful man on earth without ever really having a full-time job.   Smiley 
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« Reply #171 on: June 30, 2012, 06:25:45 PM »

Dont worry avxo... This is what Mark does all of the time.

He says you don't make any sense and starts rambling... Then when you coherently bring up points, he just does that same thing over and over... Oh... and he will roll his eyes at you.

I got so sick of his nonsense that I just refuse to debate with him... It serves no purpose.

Hard to believe this guy is a lawyer.

LOL
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« Reply #172 on: June 30, 2012, 06:40:46 PM »

I see.  So the "last refuge of those who can't defend their position - namecalling" does or does not apply to you?

If I had engaged in the type of namecalling you engaged in, of course it would apply to me. But I didn't. You see, there's a difference between calling someone who says "send Obama back to Kenya" a troll, and having someone who can't defend his position call those who challenge him a "yahoo."


The "facts" you posed are things you care about.  And they have nothing to do with the thread.  And they don't need to be "refuted," particularly when you haven't really said anything.

You do realize that repeating your mantra that the facts I posted have nothing to do with the thread won't magically make that mantra come true, don't you?


You sound pretty ambitious.  But I doubt you can ever top becoming the most powerful man on earth without ever really having a full-time job.   Smiley

Really? Hmm. But a job will end up cutting into my quad-blasting time!
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« Reply #173 on: June 30, 2012, 06:50:05 PM »

If I had engaged in the type of namecalling you engaged in, of course it would apply to me. But I didn't. You see, there's a difference between calling someone who says "send Obama back to Kenya" a troll, and having someone who can't defend his position call those who challenge him a "yahoo."


You do realize that repeating your mantra that the facts I posted have nothing to do with the thread won't magically make that mantra come true, don't you?


Really? Hmm. But a job will end up cutting into my quad-blasting time!

A distinction without a difference.  33 wasn't attacking you, yet you called him names.  In the next breath, you criticize people for calling names.  Pretty inconsistent. 

I realize we are going in circles. 
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« Reply #174 on: June 30, 2012, 06:52:02 PM »

That's What I thought Mr. Valencia... Easy to be a jackass when you are anonymous... not so much when people know who you are.
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