Big tax hike in Oregon results in substantially less revenue (Rich people left)

[tonymctones]

is the concept of class warfare always a "poor against rich" thing?

no it can go back and forth,

in this day in age what is it you think that the rich do to declare "war" on the poor?

[Straw Man]

no it can go back and forth,

in this day in age what is it you think that the rich do to declare "war" on the poor?

what ways do the poor organize and conduct war on the rich ?

[Soul Crusher]

The war is the govt against the taxpayer.

[tonymctones]

what ways do the poor organize and conduct war on the rich ?

depends on what you consider rich but...

placing 70% of the tax burden for the entire country on the top 10% seems like a good place to start...

[Straw Man]

depends on what you consider rich but...

placing 70% of the tax burden for the entire country on the top 10% seems like a good place to start...

so "poor" people got together and structured the tax code in that way

is that your example of the class warfare of the poor against rich?

[tonymctones]

so "poor" people got together and structured the tax code in that way

is that your example of the class warfare of the poor against rich?

politicians on behalf of poor ppl

are you ever going to answer my question or is this going to be the usual, side step, side step, ask your own question etc...?

what do the rich do th declare "war" on the poor?

[Soul Crusher]

The only class war we have is the far left and govt class against the middle class taxpayer. 

The far left is doing more damage to this nation than 50 bin ladens ever could.  And by far left I include corporate communists and socialists lime ge, goldman sachs, and all the other maddoffs getting the govt to force their shit on us by force of law and taxation. 

The worst thing we ever did was bailout these criminals. 

I have to find the story from maryland though.  Same shit happened.  The madoffs in govt tried another tax scam like this and it totally backfired. 

[Dos Equis]

Do what Rush did. HEAD TO THE SUNSHINE STATE!!

Florida: All of the beauty of California (and more), with little of the left-winged foolishness.

Warm weather - GOT IT!!

Palm Trees - CHECK!!

Beautiful women - all around, especially in the 3-0-5.

Beaches - Take your pick!!

Disney - No problem!!

NO STATE TAXES - HALLELUJAH!!!

And speaking of which, plenty of places of worship for you and your family, if you so please. And religious private schools, should you find the public school system less-than-desirable (like me).

That actually sounds pretty good.  Must investigate.   

[Straw Man]

politicians on behalf of poor ppl
are you ever going to answer my question or is this going to be the usual, side step, side step, ask your own question etc...?

what do the rich do th declare "war" on the poor?

bahahahaha !!

yeah those poor people have powerful  lobbyist in Washington

the charge of class warfare ALWAYS comes from the rich

it's classic Orwellian Projection where you accuse others of what you're actualy doing yourself.

the "poor" are too busy trying to make money and pay the bills and have no time or money to engage in a  "class war".

The rich on the other hand have the time, have the money, access to power and the incentive to engage in class war and the first step is to accuse the poor of doing it to them

The gap between the rich and the poor is the largest it been in almost 80 years (and grew the most from 1980 to present) so if the poor are really waging a war (I laugh every time I even think about that because it's so f'ng ridiculous) then they are doing  a pretty bad job

[Soul Crusher]

Notice straw as the govt gets bigger and bigger and as more and more laws and regulations are enacted the problem only seems to get worse? 

[Straw Man]

Notice straw as the govt gets bigger and bigger and as more and more laws and regulations are enacted the problem only seems to get worse? 

by problem do you mean the massive and ever increasing gap between rich and poor?

[Soul Crusher]

Ill let you make the connection. You won't of course because like the lib you are you think govt is a force for good when in fact its the opposite. 

[Straw Man]

Ill let you make the connection. You won't of course because like the lib you are you think govt is a force for good when in fact its the opposite. 

you're the one that said "the problem" and since you're prone to ADD and veer off on tangents I just asked for clarification of what exactly is "the problem" that you're referrring to

[Soul Crusher]

I do believe it is a problem.  The growing gap in wealth is not good for the nation.  But I don't think raising taxes, imposing regulations that always seem to benefit special interests is doing anything but hurting the situation.

[Straw Man]

I do believe it is a problem.  The growing gap in wealth is not good for the nation.  But I don't think raising taxes, imposing regulations that always seem to benefit special interests is doing anything but hurting the situation.

then you have nothing to worry about because taxes are about where they were in the 1920's and that turned out great

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4#the-gap-between-the-top-1-and-everyone-else-hasnt-been-this-bad-since-the-roaring-twenties-1

[Soul Crusher]

Straw - notice how the highest taxed states are in the worst shape?  Why do you guess that is? 

Btw - why do you never bnring up the role of the fed in any of this? 

[tonymctones]

bahahahaha !!

yeah those poor people have powerful  lobbyist in Washington

the charge of class warfare ALWAYS comes from the rich

it's classic Orwellian Projection where you accuse others of what you're actualy doing yourself.

the "poor" are too busy trying to make money and pay the bills and have no time or money to engage in a  "class war".

The rich on the other hand have the time, have the money, access to power and the incentive to engage in class war and the first step is to accuse the poor of doing it to them

The gap between the rich and the poor is the largest it been in almost 80 years (and grew the most from 1980 to present) so if the poor are really waging a war (I laugh every time I even think about that because it's so f'ng ridiculous) then they are doing  a pretty bad job

LMFAO so the class warefare is always from the rich to the poor never the other way around?

hahahah sounds like another straw man classic somebody write that down for the wall of shame....

 

youre a moron...

Overall, these data on high-income tax returns appear to confirm that the recent recession had the same diminishing effect on income inequality that most recessions have, and that it occurred for the same reason, a sharp decline in income at the high end. This appears to contradict recent reports based upon Census data suggesting the opposite, that this recession had actually increased income inequality.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

[tonymctones]

what % of the total income tax taken in do you think the top 10% should be responsible for straw?

how about the bottom 50%?

[Straw Man]

Straw - notice how the highest taxed states are in the worst shape?  Why do you guess that is?  

Btw - why do you never bnring up the role of the fed in any of this? 

333 - this is something you do quite often.  You make some vague and generic statement such as "better" or "worse" and then you immediately draw some conclusion without any proof or cause and effect.

What do you mean by "worse shape" ?

Are you talking about "worse" from a budget perspective or unemployment or number of residents above/below the poverty level, etc...

rather than just "guess" as you said how about show some proof of whatever claim it is you're trying to make?

[Straw Man]

LMFAO so the class warefare is always from the rich to the poor never the other way around?

hahahah sounds like another straw man classic somebody write that down for the wall of shame....

 

youre a moron...

Overall, these data on high-income tax returns appear to confirm that the recent recession had the same diminishing effect on income inequality that most recessions have, and that it occurred for the same reason, a sharp decline in income at the high end. This appears to contradict recent reports based upon Census data suggesting the opposite, that this recession had actually increased income inequality.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

how does this show those cunnying poor people are waging  "class warfare" on the rich

all it shows is that wealthy people are not immune to the effets of a poor economy which was exactly my point on the first page when I suggested that the lower tax revenue in Oregon might simply be because fewer people had the higher income of prior years

the idea that the poor are waging class warfare on the rich is laughable and like I said that charge always comes from the rich

[tonymctones]

how does this show those cunnying poor people are waging  "class warfare" on the rich

all it shows is that wealthy people are not immune to the effets of a poor economy which was exactly my point on the first page when I suggested that the lower tax revenue in Oregon might simply be because fewer people had the higher income of prior years

the idea that the poor are waging class warfare on the rich is laughable and like I said that charge always comes from the rich

I didnt post that to show poor ppl waging war on the rich 

how do the rich wage war on the poor?

what percentage of the tax burden do you think is right for the top 10% or earners in the US?

and same for the bottom 50%?

thanks in advance for your answers 

[Straw Man]

I didnt post that to show poor ppl waging war on the rich 

how do the rich wage war on the poor?

what percentage of the tax burden do you think is right for the top 10% or earners in the US?

and same for the bottom 50%?

thanks in advance for your answers 

the claim of "class warfare" is lingo used by the rich.....period

the only time you here about it is when rich people are bitching about their taxes

[tonymctones]

the claim of "class warfare" is lingo used by the rich.....period

the only time you here about it is when rich people are bitching about their taxes

how do rich ppl wage war on the poor?

what percentage of the tax burden do you think is right for the top 10% or earners in the US?

and same for the bottom 50%?

thanks in advance for answering the questions 

[Soul Crusher]

Problem is that rich people never end up paying the increased taxes and it falls on the middle class and those seeking upward mobility.

[Straw Man]

how do rich ppl wage war on the poor?

what percentage of the tax burden do you think is right for the top 10% or earners in the US?

and same for the bottom 50%?

thanks in advance for answering the questions  

simple example

Reagan raised social security tax to pay for tax cuts he gave to the weathly

every tax cut that is not paid for with spending cuts just passes the burden/defict to the masses

in general the "class warfare" claim is bullshit

there never was a war

the wealthy won by default yet they are always the one making the claim that such a war exists