Regarding training naturally

[Marty Champions]

most possible good food=most possible acitivity=getting most out of your genetics

this

[Secret Stack]

fella,,i trained some monster naturals ,,truly naturals nto the balonie you her about on boards on internet,,the most talented ones ,,italians with good structure and genetic capacity good backs good arms,,they stopped at 185 8-10% they coudnt go up even a lb over at this condition ,,they just coudnt ,,and they were VERY SERIOUS LIFTING HUGE WEIGHT AND IN GOOD FORM ,,ALSO TRYING EVERY TECHNIC,,AND DOING ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH DIET,,INFACT THEY SAT ON TABLE AND DIDNT WORK ONLY ATE ALL DAY EVERY 2 HOURS,,NO WORK SINCE LIVED HOME,,

naturals do not go over 185lb at single digit at 5'10!!! reduce or add 5-7lb per inch ,,

gh15 approved

gh15, the "185lb @ 8-10% for 5'10 natural limit" you give there imo should be more specific because of what you have stated in your bible in the past.
I have a post saved of your natural limits bible that says there is no debate, no arguing that 175lbs @ 8% for 5'10 natural bodybuilder is the absolute limit.

This recent posting would be adding 10lbs more to the natural limits of the 5'10 frame of human compared to your posts/bible a few months ago.

Maybe "185lb @ nothing less than 10% for 5'10" would you say, or is the natural limit bible now updated if it is 185lb @ 8% for 5'10?

thanks,

[dj181]

Shit! So it's 185 at sub-10? I thought that it was 185 at sub-6? Who what is it at sub-6? FYI, sub-10 is only average, and nothing to write home about.

[gh15]

5'10 185 8-10% will only happen if you sit in your house all day long,,do absolitely nothing but eating and eating good foods naturally most of time,,waking up every day at 2 pm,, sleeping goodf 8-10 hours a night,,having no job beside few hours in gym a week,, and having the best genetic respond to training possible for natural ,,


do you know many who will do it? do you know many that will waste their life for over 3-4 years doing this? usually they will quit or get severely depressed after doing it repetedly 3-4 years and quit or go hormone route,,

so those 10 lb i added are for the absolit most dedicated PSYCOS out there who do nothing absolitly nothing but bodybuilding,,that mean living with granma or parents,,all day long home,,living on 500 bucks a month from god knows what,,and are in the gym every day 5 times a week ,,usually at night because they sleep all day or eat ,,abolitely no girlfriend in life,,absolitly minimal stress,, usualy they dotn even have credit card or bank accounts,,

now this may give you 185 8% at 5'10 ...closer to 10%

worth it?

ok

gh15 approved

[gh15]

Shit! So it's 185 at sub-10? I thought that it was 185 at sub-6? Who what is it at sub-6? FYI, sub-10 is only average, and nothing to write home about.

oh no my friend,,6% at 185 is fully hormonized,, even at 5'10,,they usually jump from 180 to 195-200 and run between those numbers on aas only and small cycles at youger ages of 20-28 ,,those are what we call cycle for pennies

gh15 approved

[Jaime]

5'10 185 8-10% will only happen if you sit in your house all day long,,do absolitely nothing but eating and eating good foods naturally most of time,,waking up every day at 2 pm,, sleeping goodf 8-10 hours a night,,having no job beside few hours in gym a week,, and having the best genetic respond to training possible for natural ,,


do you know many who will do it? do you know many that will waste their life for over 3-4 years doing this? usually they will quit or get severely depressed after doing it repetedly 3-4 years and quit or go hormone route,,

so those 10 lb i added are for the absolit most dedicated PSYCOS out there who do nothing absolitly nothing but bodybuilding,,that mean living with granma or parents,,all day long home,,living on 500 bucks a month from god knows what,,and are in the gym every day 5 times a week ,,usually at night because they sleep all day or eat

now this may give you 185 8% at 5'10 ...closer to 10%

worth it?

ok

gh15 approved

You are a fucking retard.

[Meso_z]

oh no my friend,,6% at 185 is fully hormonized,, even at 5'10,,they usually jump from 180 to 195-200 and run between those numbers on aas only and small cycles at youger ages of 20-28 ,,those are what we call cycle for pennies

gh15 approved

gh15 is correct...........

i knowcompetitors even lower in weight (160) at 5'7 and they are juiced to the max with hgh and such. me included.

[dj181]

So what is max weight for sub-6 at 5'11"? Is 175 possible? Fuck sub-10, my plan is to stay at sub-8 year-round. And my best at sub-6 was 154.

[Meso_z]

So what is max weight for sub-6 at 5'11"? Is 175 possible? Fuck sub-10, my plan is to stay at sub-8 year-round. And my best at sub-6 was 154.

arent you happy with that? most juicers are at the same category...

[Mr Nobody]

So what is max weight for sub-6 at 5'11"? Is 175 possible? Fuck sub-10, my plan is to stay at sub-8 year-round. And my best at sub-6 was 154.

You think you may burn out on dieting year round staying at sub 8? It will be tough gaining mass may suffer. Course JNN and Devilsmile seem to do it but they are not massive just ripped depends on you goals. 

[Secret Stack]

So new ABSOLUTE limit of a 5'10 natural (no life, full bodybuilding) is now 185lbs @ 8% (minus/add 7lb from that number every inche of height).

175lbs 'absolute no question limit' @ 8% was only if allowed to see the sun shine for once a month  

Clarified. Thanks, gh15.

[gh15]

So what is max weight for sub-6 at 5'11"? Is 175 possible? Fuck sub-10, my plan is to stay at sub-8 year-round. And my best at sub-6 was 154.

naturally you can step on stage 165-170 5-6% somewhere there close to 6% ,,from the front you will look 5% but moment you turn around youll look at lower back at think 6.5 % which will put you around 6% give or take

5'10-5'11 165-170lb on stage at 6% is great for true natural,,especially if he is symetric and balanced

gh15 approved

[gh15]

So new ABSOLUTE limit of a 5'10 natural (no life, full bodybuilding) is now 185lbs @ 8% (minus/add 7lb from that number every inche of height).

175lbs 'absolute no question limit' @ 8% was only if allowed to see the sun shine for once a month  

Clarified. Thanks, gh15.

8-10% since its very veery hard to say bf% until you go lower with water weight held on body,,8-10% the mean fellas at your gym will say you are 10% ,,usually the older ones who been training few losers for locals and considered local town guro ,,they will shout oh boy you are 10% some of them will say 15% but they are just nut cases,,

now the professional ones like gh15 will look at you ,,be silent for few moments,,ask you to do few movments,,all with shirt on ,,then ask to look at your back and abdominal and tell you your bf% which will be accurate ,,they will look for density and skin apperance that will determine  for them your water weight ,,then will tell you bf% which will as said be closer to truth ,,it will usually be 2-3 % less than what local gym guro tell you

so 10% will be 7-8% with a professional looking at you since professional can distinguish between water weight and fat ,,most local guros can not

gh15 approved

[spude]

naturally you can step on stage 165-170 5-6% somewhere there close to 6% ,,from the front you will look 5% but moment you turn around youll look at lower back at think 6.5 % which will put you around 6% give or take

5'10-5'11 165-170lb on stage at 6% is great for true natural,,especially if he is symetric and balanced

gh15 approved

gh is right...i think is pent 3 years in that point..i ate more, got more fat, was around 200...dieted down, went to 170-175, looked great without clothes, like a fucking twink with clothes on...my goal was always to get to ripped 200, at least 190...then start juicing, little did i know...thank god i red the bible and found my "faith"...

[dj181]

Thanks God, another pretty wise fella named JM Blakely also said something very similar, he said 165 sub-6 for a true natural is something to write home about.

[dj181]

And Mr Nobody, in my own personal experience it's not much work staying sub-8, but it IS some work to get to sub-8. So, getting there is kinda hard, but staying there is rather easy ma man

[Marty Champions]

anorexic eating=epic leans

[dj181]

Bullshit Falcon! Just coz you couldn't do it, doesn't mean that others can't. After I hit sub-6 I was able to eat a Wendy's triple cheeseburger and wash it down with a large Dr. Pepper while rather easily maintaining sub-6 bro

[Ex Coelis]

I prefer staying lean with veins popping everywhere

I don't see the point in filling out a shirt if you look like shit when you take it off

[Omega]

I kind of agree with you my gains  after 28 were really small  I got better but I didn't get  much bigger.

I am the opposite. I have gone much bigger and better after my mid twenties.
Much more quality and it comes easier with the foundations already set.

[mesmorph78]

Just train and enjoy your life dude
it's what I do
I have put on very good size training for years naturally

[Tito24]

agree most of us dont archieve a perfect body, so what, its what it is. i stand out of most guys. thats good enough for me.

[disco_stu]

if you are anything over 28 you are wasting your time with natural training ,,better go play in the sand insted ,,or help the poor,,natural trainign is mainly for ages 16-22 ,,usually at 20-21 most americanos turn into aas and then later on if competing go gh,,thats the honest truth friends,,the sad truth is the level of abuse that going on at ages 24+ today ,,they realy really order 10 kits of gh ,,not 1-2 10! that is right there 1000 iu gh at age 25 ,,think about it ,,on  2 kits of gh you usually turn into a bodybuilder,,you become some what of mutant if aas is in ,,on 10 kits...you got that right ...you become kukli and can place 10th on a national show year after year well in his case he is young may get somwehre,,but tropopin is good example of wasting time lol

you get the idea..

gh15 approved

you really are a waste of space and so used to steroids that you have no perspective.

i met up with a buddy of mine last week, who i havent seen for 20 years.

he's now been training, completely naturally, for 36 years.

He is 52.

He is built like a tank. big traps, big delts, forearms, pecs...and he's 52!!!

he benches just under 400 and squats that for reps.

probably the best physique ive seen in real life for a 50+ year old.

NEVER touched a single hormone. Won State titles when he was a teen and in his early twenties..against druggies.

he has 2 brothers who are the same...they are in their mid 40s and looking great- running fitness businesses and still training.

Ive said it over and over again- you train consistent enough and for long enough and you come up looking thick and better than any flash in the pan gear head who wants to get a quick fix and immediate satisfaction of growing.

even if your gains are 2 lbs per year, thats 40lbs over 20years. youll grow more than that for the first few years and while young of course.

gh15 you are so brain washed its sad.

[disco_stu]

You are a fucking retard.

x2. yes gh15 is.

tip to gh15- just post what youve seen done...dont try to make comments or construct conversation. your grasp on reality is minimal.

[disco_stu]

Just train and enjoy your life dude
it's what I do
I have put on very good size training for years naturally

x2. bingo.