Negative-only training

[mitchyboy]

I,m starting to agree with DK here, simply because you asked for our help and oppions , and when they differ slightly from your own,...
well your just gonna do whatever the fuck you want anyway.

You dont understand the concept of adding muscle means adding weight.

You have no understanding of what true negative training is.

You seem to think you can do curls and weighted push ups, hahaha, to acheive your gaols

We have explained this to you numerous times and you refuse to learn and grow.

I guess you have it all figured out. good luck.

[dj181]

Where did I say that I could add muscle without adding bodyweight? Ok, right now I weigh exactly 167 and my bf is 15%, so therefore my LBW is roughly 142, and if I end up at 165 with 6% bodyfat, then my LBW would be roughly 155, so that is a gain of 13 pounds of muscle, but I would have actually lost weight, since in that case I went from 167 to 165 And what do you mean that I'm not doing negatives? I've eliminated the positive portion of the exercise, and I ONLY do the negative portion, is that not negative-only training? Ok, so I don't only do 3 or 4 reps, while taking 4 seconds to complete the negative rep. I do 8 to 10 reps taking 10 seconds to complete the rep, but it's still negative-only training, plus I train til failure.

[DroppingPlates]

Again, why don't you just join a gym?

[mass243]

Again, why don't you just join a gym?

There is bullies that laugh at him.

Why somebody chooses to train at home with sofa and pair of dumbbells?  Think that.

[dj181]

Honestly, I like the convience of being able to train at home. And by the way, you don't need a gym with fancy equipment, all you need is some free weights and you are good to go FYI, even Arthur Jones gave plenty of praise to free weights, as he said something to the effect of "If one can't use my machines, then he can still achieve fantastic results using free weights"

[Jaime]

There is bullies that laugh at him.

Why somebody chooses to train at home with sofa and pair of dumbbells?  Think that.

English guy, do you speak it?

[Ex Coelis]

work out at your local park or playground

[dr.chimps]

work out at your local park or playground

The Vince Basile Workout^TM.

[dj181]

Do you wanna have a contest with me mass234? Lets do a 6-week bodytranformation contest, with the members here being the judges. The winner will be the one who makes the greatest change/progress in 6 weeks time, are you up for it? And yeah, I will use only my sofa and dumbells

[DroppingPlates]

Honestly, I like the convience of being able to train at home. And by the way, you don't need a gym with fancy equipment, all you need is some free weights and you are good to go FYI, even Arthur Jones gave plenty of praise to free weights, as he said something to the effect of "If one can't use my machines, then he can still achieve fantastic results using free weights"

First off, "convenience" is for lazy fuckers who love to stay in the comfort zone (read: a save place where no one can make them feel insecure, and more positive, a place where they can't learn from others experiences).

Very true, you can build a solid physique with free weights but that doesn't mean a pair of some adjustable DB's and your sofa is sufficient. Biggest problems with training at home: how to stay(!) motivated all year long, how to stay focused, and -optional- how you you hit the wheels seriously?

[Ex Coelis]

The Vince Basile Workout^TM.

white van optional

[DroppingPlates]

Do you wanna have a contest with me mass234? Lets do a 6-week bodytranformation contest, with the members here being the judges. The winner will be the one who makes the greatest change/progress in 6 weeks time, are you up for it? And yeah, I will use only my sofa and dumbells

[mitchyboy]

Man ur dim. I'm just about done here. Read what negatives are man for the love of God. You are performing the negative portion of a rep,
not doing pure negatives. All i will say on that.

I don't give a shit what ur starting weight, ending weight, in between weight or anything else is. ur not going to shift the balance of fat to muscle without a calorie surplus, or a calorie deficiency. It really is a simple prosses, I guess not for some though.
If you really think your going to lose bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time i feel sorry for you. And I know what your going to conter with, "I'm not gaining weight because my body weight at the end will be lower".
Wake up junior

[dj181]

Where did I say anything about not going into caloric surplus or deficit? Of course I will use these techniques. P.S. I NEVER said this fat-loss/muscle gain will occur overnight. Come on man! I'm not that dense. FYI, at one point I went from 12% bodyfat to 7.5% bodyfat in 2 weeks, but yeah, I'm sure that you will call bullshit on that one.

[DroppingPlates]

Where did I say anything about not going into caloric surplus or deficit? Of course I will use these techniques. P.S. I NEVER said this fat-loss/muscle gain will occur overnight. Come on man! I'm not that dense. FYI, at one point I went from 12% bodyfat to 7.5% bodyfat in 2 weeks, but yeah, I'm sure that you will call bullshit on that one.

I know you're talking to Mitch, but sure, you don't really need a gym to burn some fat. This is rather a matter of keen diet + cardio, but with your weight this should be your last priority.

[dj181]

Come on man, I am a natural trainer, and as God (gh15) says, the best I can hope for is 165-170 at 5-6%  I am a fatass at 15% so I need to get leaner, not get fatter. So am I also full of shit when I said that I went from 160 at 12% to 165 at 11%? Don't take that question the wrong way, coz I ain't hating man.

[DroppingPlates]

Come on man, I am a natural trainer, and as God (gh15) says, the best I can hope for is 165-170 at 5-6%  I am a fatass at 15% so I need to get leaner, not get fatter. So am I also full of shit when I said that I went from 160 at 12% to 165 at 11%? Don't take that question the wrong way, coz I ain't hating man.

Hold on, it's possible to go from 12 to 7.5% bf. I can't guess what your max potential is, this varies on several factors (health, length, bone structure, etc), but basically I think you make 2 important mistakes.

Mistake 1. you want to build some serious mass and burn some serious fat at the same time (I say 'serious', because I don't mean 1-2 pounds). My advice, go to a good gym, train your whole body and keep your BF between 10-15%, once you have some serious overall mass (prob 1-2 years later) it's time for some fat burning (yes, it all takes TIME).

Mistake 2: relying on a pair adjustable DB's in your comfort zone. My advice: well, you should know by know  

[Boost]

Come on man, I am a natural trainer, and as God (gh15) says, the best I can hope for is 165-170 at 5-6%  I am a fatass at 15% so I need to get leaner, not get fatter. So am I also full of shit when I said that I went from 160 at 12% to 165 at 11%? Don't take that question the wrong way, coz I ain't hating man.

Don't listen to these clowns.

Nobody on these boards are in touch with their muscles.

Stay at home and get creative. My physique went through the roof when I ditched the gym and stopped "eating to grow" (the biggest fallacy in natural bodybuilding)

[Jaime]

A lot of haters in this thread.

Try new things out, go at it for 3 months and if you don't like the results change it about.

[DroppingPlates]

Don't listen to these clowns.

Nobody on these boards are in touch with their muscles.

Stay at home and get creative. My physique went through the roof when I ditched the gym and stopped "eating to grow" (the biggest fallacy in natural bodybuilding)

Right, we're all full of shit and 'not in touch with our muscles' Got some solid arguments for that claim? 
If you support someone who believes in only a pair of adjustables and his sofa you're a clown yourself Mr Lumberjack

[Boost]

Like a bunch of cackling hens around here.

"Must lift heavy in order to grow"

Yet I've never seen a decent physique posted on this board.

[DroppingPlates]

A lot of haters in this thread.

Try new things out, go at it for 3 months and if you don't like the results change it about.

Come on, has noting to do with hate. In that case I would not spend my time on this thread.
Nothing wrong with some new stuff, but his strategy won't work for gaining serious overall(!) mass

[DroppingPlates]

Like a bunch of cackling hens around here.

"Must lift heavy in order to grow"

Your words, not ours

Yet I've never seen a decent physique posted on this board.

Maybe because you only visit the G&O section, but why don't you join the Mr Getbig competition stud?

[Boost]

Come on, has noting to do with hate. In that case I would not spend my time on this thread.
Nothing wrong with some new stuff, but his strategy won't work for gaining serious overall(!) mass

as a natural guy he won't be "adding serious mass"

he's trying to tone and shape his physique and lose body fat to actually look like a bodybuilder.

Quality over quantity

[dj181]

Allright man, I get your point, but I don't really want to have much bigger legs, I am quite satisfied with their current level of development. Yes, all I do for them is lunges, but that's just fine with me Remember, I want 17 inch arms at 165, but yeah, I know that I will probably have to settle for 16 inchers (FYI, my former training partner from years back had legit 16 inch arms at a buck 40, he had a 325 pound bench in the 132's) And, in all honestly I am convinced that I can go from 167 15% to 160 6% in 3 or 4 months max. And if mass243 accepts my challange it will certainly happen sooner Also, I have a chinning bar and I can add 150 extra pounds on to my weighted chins.