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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #375 on: January 11, 2011, 03:03:16 PM »
Badly wounded Arizona lawmaker is 'holding her own'
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 11, 2011

Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords remained in critical condition Tuesday after she was shot in the head on Saturday at the rampage at her meet-and-greet event, but she is breathing on her own and doctors have backed off on some sedation.

"I'm happy to say she's holding her own," said Dr. Michael Lemole Jr., chief of neurosurgery at University Medical Center. "Her status is the same as it was yesterday. She's still following simple commands."

Lemole said she's generating her own breaths.

"The only reason we keep that breathing tube in is to protect her airway so that she doesn't have complications like pneumonia," he told reporters.

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Lemole said he's encouraged by the fact that she's "done so well" with an injury where survival and recovery are "abysmal."

"This is where we constantly say it's week to week, month to month. I know everyone wants new results every day but as long as we don't backslide and as long as she holds her own, that's good. That keeps us hopeful."

"We have to play this according to her timeline, not ours," he said.

Lemole said "she has no right to look this good and she does."

"We're hopeful, but I do want to underscore the seriousness of this injury and the fact that we all have to be extremely patient."

Six of the victims in the Saturday shooting remain at University Medical Center, Chief of Emergency Medicine Peter Rhee said. Along with Giffords, three people are in serious condition and two are in fair condition.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #376 on: January 11, 2011, 03:04:37 PM »
gracie it seems as you guys have stricter gun laws than we do yet you also have higher death rates from guns.

I think this shows that simply cracking down on who gets guns isnt the answer its addressing the individuals themselves who would use the guns to do things such as this because its obvious that the gun is just the tool used to carry out this attack and that the attack would still have happend in another form without a gun.


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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #377 on: January 11, 2011, 03:07:55 PM »
This guy has serial killer all over him.  If it wasn't a gun he would have bombed the place.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #378 on: January 11, 2011, 03:53:44 PM »
Tony, any luck yet on finding someone else who believes shuttles aren't capable of supporting life in orbit?

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #379 on: January 11, 2011, 03:56:50 PM »
Tony, any luck yet on finding someone else who believes shuttles aren't capable of supporting life in orbit?
havent looked yet but ill will tonight, just got home and am about to eat and head to the gym...but after that ill have you bad mouthing tebow everytime you post  ;D

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #380 on: January 11, 2011, 04:05:30 PM »
I really think this guy had the whole romantic obsession thing with her going on.  Can't prove it, but I think this had nothing to do w politics. 

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #381 on: January 11, 2011, 04:11:44 PM »
havent looked yet but ill will tonight, just got home and am about to eat and head to the gym...but after that ill have you bad mouthing tebow everytime you post  ;D
If you win, yea, I'll be badmouthing tebow for a week, if you lose, you'll be glorifying libs and socialism for a week.  Which by the way I did not pick because I agree with, just as a suitable price to pay for the lol factor...

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #382 on: January 11, 2011, 04:12:06 PM »
I really think this guy had the whole romantic obsession thing with her going on.  Can't prove it, but I think this had nothing to do w politics. 


Maybe we should report 240's account to Palin's security staff?

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #383 on: January 11, 2011, 04:27:44 PM »
I think 240 brainwashed the shooter into his rampage. I don't have any evidence or proof whatsoever. However, they are both white rednecks that suffer from mental illness. Therefore, I have no problem in announcing to anyone who will listen that 240 or bust is responsible for the carnage. His "vitriol" and "negativity" toward Sarah Palin led to this unfortunate incident.

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« Reply #384 on: January 11, 2011, 04:28:41 PM »
I think 240 brainwashed the shooter into his rampage. I don't have any evidence or proof whatsoever. However, they are both white rednecks that suffer from mental illness. Therefore, I have no problem in announcing to anyone who will listen that 240 or bust is responsible for the carnage. His "vitriol" and "negativity" toward Sarah Palin led to this unfortunate incident.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #385 on: January 11, 2011, 04:29:31 PM »
Thank you darlin'  ;)

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #386 on: January 11, 2011, 04:37:27 PM »
LOL!


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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #387 on: January 11, 2011, 04:39:55 PM »
This is the most blaming I've ever seen in politics.  Just about everyone is pointing fingers at the other person.  wow...

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #388 on: January 11, 2011, 04:46:24 PM »
This is the most blaming I've ever seen in politics.  Just about everyone is pointing fingers at the other person.  wow...

Hugo wake the fuck up. Everybody is blaming the right. The right is defending itself. As usual, people are attempting to gloss over the obvious and intellectually bankrupt efforts of the left to use this tragedy as an excuse to muzzle free speech, demonize conservatives, discredit the Tea Party and enact wildly unpopular legislation in the process- (Gun control and the fairness doctrine among other things).

Nobody on the right has blamed anyone for the massacre except the gunman who pulled the trigger.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #389 on: January 11, 2011, 04:56:01 PM »
240, a tactless individual, wasted less than an hour before trying to exploit the murder of a child for political gain. It nauseates me just thinking about it.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #390 on: January 11, 2011, 05:03:29 PM »
Hugo wake the fuck up. Everybody is blaming the right. The right is defending itself. As usual, people are attempting to gloss over the obvious and intellectually bankrupt efforts of the left to use this tragedy as an excuse to muzzle free speech, demonize conservatives, discredit the Tea Party and enact wildly unpopular legislation in the process- (Gun control and the fairness doctrine among other things).

Nobody on the right has blamed anyone for the massacre except the gunman who pulled the trigger.

Hope this helps.
whoa... you're telling me to wake up?  WHAT THE FUCK MAN...  I guess you missed my posts denouncing the left blaming the right for this bullshit?  All I said was that I haven't seen this much blaming in politics before.  Which is fucking true...  There's a freaking massive amount of finger pointing going on.  I did not blame the left or right in my statement so I think I'm due an appology of sorts...

oh and it's totally untrue that nobody on the right has blamed the left... That's pure bullshit.... Yes they have and there are plenty of examples.  The left blamed the right first, then the right responded by blaming the left... that's also a fact.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #391 on: January 11, 2011, 05:10:20 PM »
I'm telling you, this is not political at all.  Check out the note they just found. 

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #392 on: January 11, 2011, 05:54:56 PM »
He wrote "die bitch" on a note they found at the house. 

This was personal and had nothing to do with palin. 

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #393 on: January 11, 2011, 06:00:31 PM »
He wrote "die bitch" on a note they found at the house. 

This was personal and had nothing to do with palin. 

Palin's a woman, Gifford's a woman. I don't know man, that's just too similar to be coincidental.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #394 on: January 11, 2011, 06:03:40 PM »
this is all getting so freaking insane I'm not sure I can even comment more...

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #395 on: January 11, 2011, 06:19:31 PM »
APNewsBreak: More warning signs on day of shooting
Yahoo News ^ | January 11, 2011 | Amanda Lee Myers and Justin Pritchard, Associated Press


Edited on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:59:55 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]


TUCSON, Ariz. – The 22-year-old man accused of trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in a deadly shooting rampage wrote "Die, bitch" in a note found at his home, a sheriff's official told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

Investigators believe Jared Loughner's handwritten message was a reference to Giffords, Pima County Chief Rick Kastigar said. It was found in a safe alongside other ones, including "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and the name "Giffords."




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Those still carrying on with the palin smears are vile and and now knowing engaging in blood libel. 

Guys, lets say some freak targets Palin and tries to shoot her.  Do we blame the 24/7 left hatefest for it regardless of the motive? 

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #396 on: January 11, 2011, 06:21:49 PM »
APNewsBreak: More warning signs on day of shooting
Yahoo News ^ | January 11, 2011 | Amanda Lee Myers and Justin Pritchard, Associated Press


Edited on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:59:55 PM by Admin Moderator. [history]


TUCSON, Ariz. – The 22-year-old man accused of trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in a deadly shooting rampage wrote "Die, bitch" in a note found at his home, a sheriff's official told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

Investigators believe Jared Loughner's handwritten message was a reference to Giffords, Pima County Chief Rick Kastigar said. It was found in a safe alongside other ones, including "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and the name "Giffords."




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Those still carrying on with the palin smears are vile and and now knowing engaging in blood libel. 

Guys, lets say some freak targets Palin and tries to shoot her.  Do we blame the 24/7 left hatefest for it regardless of the motive? 

The leftist MSM would say that her rhetoric brought it on herself.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #397 on: January 11, 2011, 06:27:37 PM »
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APNewsBreak: Authorities say disturbing note found in possession of Arizona gunman
AMANDA LEE MYERS, JUSTIN PRITCHARD

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8:49 PM EST, January 11, 2011




 
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Investigators on Tuesday revealed more disturbing details about the events leading up to the assassination attempt against U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, including a menacing handwritten note in the suspect's home with the words "Die, bitch."

And on the day of the shooting, a mumbling Jared Loughner ran into the desert near his home after his father asked him why he was removing a black bag from the trunk of a family car, sheriff's officials said. Loughner resurfaced later Saturday when authorities say he showed up at a grocery store in a taxi and carried out the rampage that injured 14 people and killed six, including a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl.

Investigators provided the new details to The Associated Press and said they're still searching for the bag. They suspect it could contain clues into Loughner's motives.

"The bag is very important to us," said Capt. Chris Nanos, head of the Pima County Sheriff's Department's criminal investigations division. "What was in that bag and is there any relevance?"

"What if he wrote a note that says, 'Hey, I'm going to go do these things and I know it's wrong but I'm still going to do them,'" Nanos said. "That'd be a pretty good piece of evidence."

Authorities previously said they found handwritten notes in Loughner's safe reading "I planned ahead," ''My assassination" and the name "Giffords." Pima County Chief Rick Kastigar and Nanos told the AP they also found notes with the words "Die, bitch", which they believe referenced Giffords, and "Die, cops."

All the writings were either in an envelope or on an actual form letter Giffords' office sent him in 2007 after he attended one of her political events, Nanos said.

For all of it, Loughner's parents, silent and holed up in their home since the shooting spree, apologized Tuesday.

"There are no words that can possibly express how we feel," Randy and Amy Loughner wrote in a statement handed to reporters waiting outside their house. "We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better. We don't understand why this happened.

"We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss."

The apparent target of the attack, Giffords, 40, was able to breathe on her own Tuesday at an intensive care unit here, another hopeful sign of her progress, doctors said.

Meanwhile, the Arizona city shattered by the rampage prepared for an evening memorial service and a visit from President Barack Obama on Wednesday.

In addition the new details about the hours before the shooting, interviews with those who knew Loughner or his family painted a picture of a young loner who did try to fit in.

Before everything fell apart, he went through the motions as many young men do nowadays: Living at home with his parents, working low-wage jobs at big brand stores and volunteering time doing things he liked.

None of it worked. His relationship with his parents was strained. He clashed with co-workers and police. And he couldn't follow the rules at an animal shelter where he spent some time.

One close high school friend who requested anonymity to avoid the publicity surrounding the case said he would wait outside 10 minutes for Jared to leave the house when they were going out.

When Jared would get into the car, he'd say that it took so long because his parents were hassling him.

The parents of another close friend recalled how Loughner's parents showed up at their doorstep in 2008 looking for their son, who had left home about a week before and broken off contact.

While the friend, Zach Osler, didn't want to talk with the AP, his parents Roxanne and George Osler IV did.

With the Loughners at their house, Zach Osler told them the name of the local hotel where their only child was staying, Zach's father said. Jared moved back in, he said.

After that, Osler's dad sometimes would see Mrs. Loughner at the local supermarket, though they didn't chat much. He recalled that every time he saw her she had at least one 30-pack of beer in her cart.

Loughner, now 22, would come over several times a week from 2007 to 2008, the Oslers said.

The boys listened to the heavy metal band Slipknot and progressive rockers The Mars Volta, studied the form of meditative movement called tai chi, and watched and discussed movies.

Loughner's favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as "Zeitgeist" and "Loose Change" as well as bigger studio productions with cult followings and themes of brainwashing, science fiction and altered states of consciousness, including "Donnie Darko" and "A Scanner Darkly."

Even in small talk, he struck the Oslers as unusual.

"He always said, 'Hi, Mrs. Osler. How are you today?' When he left he made a point of coming over and saying, 'Thank you for having me over,'" said Roxanne Osler, noting that was not typical for Zach's friends. "Jared struck me as a young man who craved attention and acceptance."

Once he shared with the Oslers a short story he had written about a reporter meeting an angel during the apocalypse.

George Osler IV read it, thought it was well written, but couldn't identify the point.

"He seemed like he was kind of offended that I didn't get the message," George Osler said.

Meanwhile, the unfailingly polite kid they knew was getting into trouble.

Loughner was arrested in October 2008 on a vandalism charge near Tucson after admitting that he vandalized a road sign with a magic marker, scrawling the letters "C'' and "X'' in a reference to what he said was Christianity.

The case was ultimately dismissed after he paid a $500 fine and completed a diversion program.

Even when Loughner tried to do good, it didn't work out.

A year ago, he volunteered walking adoptable dogs at the county animal shelter, said Kim Janes, manager of the Pima Animal Care Center. He liked dogs; neighbors remember him as the kid they would see walking his own.

At the shelter, staff became concerned: He was allowing dogs to play in an area that was being disinfected after one had contracted a potentially deadly disease, the parvovirus.

"He didn't think the disease was that threatening and when we tried to explain how dangerous some of the diseases are. He didn't get it," Janes said.

He wouldn't agree to keep dogs from the restricted area, and was asked to come back when he would. He never returned.

Loughner also jumped from paid job to job because he couldn't get along with co-workers, according to the close high school friend who requested anonymity. Employers included a Quiznos sandwich shop and Banana Republic, the friend said.

On his application at the animal shelter, he listed customer service work at Eddie Bauer.

Loughner grew up on an unremarkable Tucson block of low-slung homes with palm trees and cactus gardens out front. Fittingly, it's called Soledad Avenue — Spanish for solitude.

Solitude found Loughner, even when he tried to escape it. He had buddies but always fell out of touch, typically severing the friendship with a text message. Zach Osler was one such friend.

Loughner's father moved into the house as a bachelor, and eventually got married, longtime next-door neighbor George Gayan said. Property records show Randy Loughner has lived there since 1977.

Gayan said he and Randy Loughner had "differences of opinion but nothing where it was radical or violent." He declined to provide specifics. "As time went on, they indicated they wanted privacy," Gayan said.

Unlike other homes on the block, the Loughners' is obscured by plants. It was assessed in 2010 at $137,842.

Randy Loughner apparently has not worked for years — at least outside his home. He did fix up cars. Gayan said he had three "show cars" and two of Jared Loughner's friends said he bought a junker 1969 orange Chevrolet Nova and made it pristine.

Amy Loughner got a job with the county parks and recreation department just before Jared was born, and since at least 2002 has been the supervisor for Roy P. Drachman Agua Caliente Park on the outskirts of the city. She earns $25.70 an hour, according to Gwyn Hatcher, Pima County's human resources director.

"She's worked hard, done a good job of keeping it looking good," said Charles Ford, a former Tucson City Council member who is a board member of Friends of Agua Caliente Park.

Linda McKinley, 62, has lived down the street from the Loughner family for decades and said the parents could not be nicer — but that she had misgivings about Jared as he got older.

"As a parent, my heart aches for them," she said.

She added that when she was outside watering her plants she would see Jared riding down the street on his bike, often talking to himself or yelling out randomly to no one.

Once he yelled to some children on the street: "I'm coming to get you!" McKinley said.
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Associated Press writers Alicia Chang and Gillian Flaccus in Tucson, Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix, Christy Lemire in Los Angeles and news researcher Julie Reed in Charlotte, N.C., contributed to this report.







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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #398 on: January 11, 2011, 06:40:51 PM »
Prof. Called 911 on Loughner after Class "Rant" (Had 5 Run-ins with College Police)
CBS News ^ | 1/10/11


Prof. Called 911 on Loughner after Class "Rant"

Says She Called Police in September after Tucson Shooting Suspect Raved about Constitution, Freedom of Speech
Jan. 10, 2011

(CBS) TUSCON -- Debbie Scheidemantel got to know Jared Loughner when he was a student in her biology class at Tucson's Pima Community College last summer.

The adjunct professor says she once had to call police and have Loughner removed from her class.

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She explained, "I was collecting papers that were due at the beginning of class. A different student had realized he forgot his paper and asked if he could turn it in late, and I said he could, but it would be half-credit. Then Jared realized that he didn't have his assignment. He raised his hand, and asked if he could turn it in late. And I said, yes, but for half-credit. At that point, he was upset, he said, 'No, I want full credit.' And I said, 'No, it's half-credit, it's part of the policy, it's spelled out in the syllabus.'

"Students understand this," Scheidemantel said. "But he didn't seem to, and he pointed at the flag, and the Constitution up at the front of the room and said that I was taking away his freedom of speech, I was taking away his individual rights, that it was unconstitutional. He was saying that, you know, he's paying me, and therefore I'm taking away his freedom of speech if I don't give him full credit. Well, I did calm him down. And I told him, you know, at that point, we couldn't resolve it real quick, so I said, you know, talk to me at the break. And he seemed to calm down. And class started."

But Loughner's disruptive behavior, Scheidemantel said, didn't end there.


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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #399 on: January 11, 2011, 06:46:39 PM »

Loughner, now 22, would come over several times a week from 2007 to 2008, the Oslers said.

The boys listened to the heavy metal band Slipknot and progressive rockers The Mars Volta, studied the form of meditative movement called tai chi, and watched and discussed movies.

Loughner's favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as "Zeitgeist" and "Loose Change" as well as bigger studio productions with cult followings and themes of brainwashing, science fiction and altered states of consciousness, including "Donnie Darko" and "A Scanner Darkly."


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