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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2011, 11:01:25 AM »
ok to have shawn's physique better than nasser's because both were from the same level and were always placed close to each other at the olympia in their best days but to say "hands down" you are really saying any shit and i am sure you can expain how you see ray better HANDS DOWN ::)

Shawn beat Nasser 5 times to 3

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2011, 11:04:29 AM »
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After seeing these photos...Shawn! Thank's Salami..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2011, 12:21:36 PM »
After seeing these photos...Shawn! Thank's Salami..

does this mean before seeing them it was nasser!!.. you are both stupid and hater so your opinion doesnt carry any value..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2011, 12:43:21 PM »
that was actually Golds Gym Venice when a guy clocked Shawn
put him on his ass with one punch

Wow.....your speaking style has changed dramatically....It's almost as if you are another person  ;)

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #129 on: January 25, 2011, 12:50:27 PM »
Parker loves Shawn because shawn is black
Parker loves black BB's

Thats blatantly obvious.

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2011, 02:30:58 PM »
does this mean before seeing them it was nasser!!.. you are both stupid and hater so your opinion doesnt carry any value..
And your opinion does? What I meant (stupid bum)was I thoughtt Shawn before,but after seeing thee pics...IT WAS ABSOLUTELY SHAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You have a homosexual lust for Nassoil,so your opinion is doesn't matter ..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2011, 02:43:57 PM »
And your opinion does? What I meant (stupid bum)was I thoughtt Shawn before,but after seeing thee pics...IT WAS ABSOLUTELY SHAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You have a homosexual lust for Nassoil,so your opinion is doesn't matter ..

You hate Nasser on a personal level so obviously your opinion is meaningless in this subject.

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #132 on: January 25, 2011, 06:29:44 PM »
You hate Nasser on a personal level so obviously your opinion is meaningless in this subject.

that's right and add to this he doesn't know anything in bb (and i am sure in general) so has no opinion at all!!.. this asshole comes here only to say shit about nasser and his posts are very boring and stupid that nearly no one notices or comments on!!.. there are others of course who say shit about nasser but at least some of them are funny and all of them post in all threads and not just nasser's thread!!..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2011, 07:13:22 PM »
  Ok, let's break down all that which is evaluated during a bodybuilding contest and see how Shawn and Nasser compare. What are the criteria used to evaluate professional bodybuilding physiques by I.F.B.B standards? These are the criteria that are evaluated:

  Muscularity:

  - Muscle development - the size of the muscles

  - Muscular quality - how defined, dense and striated the muscle is.

  - Muscular aesthetics - just one thing: the roundness of the muscle. The rounder the muscle, the prettier it is.

  Symmetry: divided in muscular symmetry, called balance, and skeletal symmetry called "frame":

  Muscular symmetry - how proportional the muscles of one side of the body are to the corresponding muscle on the other side of the body, and how proportioal in size all the muscles are compared to each other. For instance, if both your delts are exactly the same size but overpower the pectorals, then they have good symmetry but lack balance.

  Skeletal symmetry - how proportional the legs are in length to the torso, the clavicles in relation to the previous two things, and the arms in relation to the previous four things.

  All these things are judged at once in both the symmetry round and the muscularity round(the mandatories). So it would be foolish to compare them in all mandatories and quarter turns instead of evaluating how they add up in the critera I mentioned.

  If we compare Nasser and Ray, we must compare them at their best which for Nasser would be his 1999 ASC form and for Ray his 1987 NPC Nationals form. So how do they compare? Let's break it down by assigning 1 point for each category and then adding up.

  Muscularity:

  Muscular development - Nasser wins hands down, and even though this is due mostly to his much larger frame, it doesen't matter +1N

  Muscular quality - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. At his best, Ray is more defined, dense and striated than Nasser overral. +1R

  Muscular aesthetics - Ray wins hands down. Not even debateable. Nasser is blocky. +1R

  Symmetry:

  Muscular symmetry - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. Ray had great symmetry and balance in his muscles except for his small calves. Nasser was missing the entire back complex compared to his monstrous deltoid, pec and especially quadriceps. The back has almost 40 muscles. A severe balance problem. +1R

  Skeletal symmetry - Nasser wins. Both Nasser and Ray have torsos that are too long for their legs, but Ray's were worst. Ray also had narrow clavicles, whilst Nasser had superbly wide ones. +1N

  So Ray scores +3 and Nasser scores +2.

  In conclusion: Ray at his best is better than Nasser, but this is made hard because I am ascribing equal points to all categories, but lots of people would say that muscular development should receive more than +1 point since it is called bodybuilding. But if we are unbiased and take into consideration all things that make up a bodybuilder, Shawn at his best beats Nasser. So there you have it.

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #134 on: January 25, 2011, 07:13:45 PM »
that's right and add to this he doesn't know anything in bb (and i am sure in general) so has no opinion at all!!.. this asshole comes here only to say shit about nasser and his posts are very boring and stupid that nearly no one notices or comments on!!.. there are others of course who say shit about nasser but at least some of them are funny and all of them post in all threads and not just nasser's thread!!..

Yeah his insults seem very hateful and childish with no real basis, humor or theory behind them. He should at least attempt to be funny to entertain us if anything.

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #135 on: January 25, 2011, 07:58:05 PM »
 Ok, let's break down all that which is evaluated during a bodybuilding contest and see how Shawn and Nasser compare. What are the criteria used to evaluate professional bodybuilding physiques by I.F.B.B standards? These are the criteria that are evaluated:

  Muscularity:

  - Muscle development - the size of the muscles

  - Muscular quality - how defined, dense and striated the muscle is.

  - Muscular aesthetics - just one thing: the roundness of the muscle. The rounder the muscle, the prettier it is.

  Symmetry: divided in muscular symmetry, called balance, and skeletal symmetry called "frame":

  Muscular symmetry - how proportional the muscles of one side of the body are to the corresponding muscle on the other side of the body, and how proportioal in size all the muscles are compared to each other. For instance, if both your delts are exactly the same size but overpower the pectorals, then they have good symmetry but lack balance.

  Skeletal symmetry - how proportional the legs are in length to the torso, the clavicles in relation to the previous two things, and the arms in relation to the previous four things.

  All these things are judged at once in both the symmetry round and the muscularity round(the mandatories). So it would be foolish to compare them in all mandatories and quarter turns instead of evaluating how they add up in the critera I mentioned.

  If we compare Nasser and Ray, we must compare them at their best which for Nasser would be his 1999 ASC form and for Ray his 1987 NPC Nationals form. So how do they compare? Let's break it down by assigning 1 point for each category and then adding up.

  Muscularity:

  Muscular development - Nasser wins hands down, and even though this is due mostly to his much larger frame, it doesen't matter +1N

  Muscular quality - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. At his best, Ray is more defined, dense and striated than Nasser overral. +1R

  Muscular aesthetics - Ray wins hands down. Not even debateable. Nasser is blocky. +1R

  Symmetry:

  Muscular symmetry - Ray wins although not by a huge margin. Ray had great symmetry and balance in his muscles except for his small calves. Nasser was missing the entire back complex compared to his monstrous deltoid, pec and especially quadriceps. The back has almost 40 muscles. A severe balance problem. +1R

  Skeletal symmetry - Nasser wins. Both Nasser and Ray have torsos that are too long for their legs, but Ray's were worst. Ray also had narrow clavicles, whilst Nasser had superbly wide ones. +1N

  So Ray scores +3 and Nasser scores +2.

  In conclusion: Ray at his best is better than Nasser, but this is made hard because I am ascribing equal points to all categories, but lots of people would say that muscular development should receive more than +1 point since it is called bodybuilding. But if we are unbiased and take into consideration all things that make up a bodybuilder, Shawn at his best beats Nasser. So there you have it.

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are you sure nasser's best was AC 99 and ray's best was in 1987?!!..  ::)..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #136 on: January 25, 2011, 08:10:33 PM »
The people who prefer Shawn over Nasser are likely the same ones who prefer the fitness build over the bodybuilder.

It's apples and oranges.

IMO Nasser at his best eats Shawn alive, it looks like placing a heavyweight next to a middleweight. 


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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #137 on: January 25, 2011, 08:29:37 PM »
Nasser @ the 95 NOC and Shawn @ the 94 O....Both had Great Physiques in their day perhaps their best ever they appeared @ a Show.

How do you answer who had a "better Physique" out of those too? the Question should be Whos Physique impress's you more or who your Ideal is... looking @ those 2 @ there best not a Huge fan of Ether of them,  they both had somewhat Short Legs in relation to their Torso's which throws their atheistic's off, Looking @ the Complete Physique as a Whole including Mass (in relation to there OWN structures) Lines, Detail, muscle flow and the WAY THEY PRESENTED the Physique in the STAGE PRESENTATION and Posing etc, hard to go past Ray, if your after the Mass Factor well Obviously Nasser gets the Nod, ether way it comes down to YOUR IDEAL in a Physique and how YOU see it, as theres no way in Hell you will Convince others of who had a Better Physique.

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #138 on: January 25, 2011, 10:04:17 PM »
Nasser @ the 95 NOC and Shawn @ the 94 O....

i agree than nasser at NOC 95 presented his best shape ever at 260 lbs and also at huston pro. show less than a month earlier at 268 pounds.. his shape at these 2 shows imo was clearly better than his shape at mr. olympia 97 which is considered by many his best shape!!..

first 2 pics from the NOC and the 3rd is from huston..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2011, 12:17:31 AM »
They’re not even comparable.


this.

no comparision...
shawn all the way
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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #140 on: January 26, 2011, 12:23:16 AM »
its quite clear who the bigger one is (Ray) but when it comes to asthetics its also quite clear who is sharper (nasser).

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2011, 03:17:17 AM »
are you sure nasser's best was AC 99 and ray's best was in 1987?!!....

  Sure. Ray never looked as good as he did when he turned pro at the 1987 NPC Nationals, except for maybe the night show and posing rounds at the 96'Olympia - he peaked for the night show and not for pre-judging.

  And it doesen't matter. Pick whatever versions of Nasser and Shawn and the outcome is the same. Nasser had pretty much nothing but sheer size on Ray. At everything else that counts in making a bodybuilder, Shawn was better. Saying that Nasser should beat Shawn is like saying that Kovacs should beat Nasser. All the advantages that Ray has on Nasser, the latter has on Kovacs.

  Your problem is that you prefer Nasser for ethnic/nationalistic/religious reasons, so it is pointless debating with you. Your objectivity is severely compromised by your bias. Nasser can never ever fail in your eyes.

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #142 on: January 26, 2011, 10:39:55 AM »
that's right and add to this he doesn't know anything in bb (and i am sure in general) so has no opinion at all!!.. this asshole comes here only to say shit about nasser and his posts are very boring and stupid that nearly no one notices or comments on!!.. there are others of course who say shit about nasser but at least some of them are funny and all of them post in all threads and not just nasser's thread!!..
You don't know sh!t,you bum.... I am a huge Bodybuilding fan.. Just not a homosexual lust that you and the rest of team "@$$hole" have over washed up losers.. Looking at washed up bodybuilders does nothing for me.. It makes me no richer or poorer.. So do I give  a $hit..? Nope! So Phuck you and the rest of your Phaggoty crew..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #143 on: January 26, 2011, 10:45:16 AM »
You don't know sh!t,you bum.... I am a huge Bodybuilding fan.. Just not a homosexual lust that you and the rest of team "@$$hole" have over washed up losers.. Looking at washed up bodybuilders does nothing for me.. It makes me no richer or poorer.. So do I give  a $hit..? Nope! So Phuck you and the rest of your Phaggoty crew..
ROFL. That ought to be t-shirts, everywhere. 

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #144 on: January 26, 2011, 10:53:12 AM »
 Sure. Ray never looked as good as he did when he turned pro at the 1987 NPC Nationals, except for maybe the night show and posing rounds at the 96'Olympia - he peaked for the night show and not for pre-judging.

  And it doesen't matter. Pick whatever versions of Nasser and Shawn and the outcome is the same. Nasser had pretty much nothing but sheer size on Ray. At everything else that counts in making a bodybuilder, Shawn was better. Saying that Nasser should beat Shawn is like saying that Kovacs should beat Nasser. All the advantages that Ray has on Nasser, the latter has on Kovacs.

  Your problem is that you prefer Nasser for ethnic/nationalistic/religious reasons, so it is pointless debating with you. Your objectivity is severely compromised by your bias. Nasser can never ever fail in your eyes.

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so if you see it's pointless to debate with me why did you comment in details on my post??.. you are wrong in everything and i too dont like to argue with ppl like you who assume something and believe it!!..

so if i like nasser only because of his nationality and religion it was more proper for me to support mustafa mahmoud who is 100% arab and not half arab like nasser.. mostafa was a great bb and very underrated so i could try to show this as much as i could but i didnt simply because i am not a big fan of his physique.. and as for nasser's religion i know he is not a practicing muslim and i really dont care what anyone believes in,.. i like good ppl whatever their religion is..

i like nasser very much because i was following him in the magazines during my teenage so he reminds me now of the good old days.. sure i like to exaggerate things here about nasser and anyone with some brain knows well it's all for fun or the board will be boring as your long posts!!..  

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #145 on: January 26, 2011, 11:08:53 AM »
so if you see it's pointless to debate with me why did you comment in details on my post??..

  I wasn't arguing with you. I was giving my opinion on who would win Ray vs Nasser at their bests as the I.F.B.B would judge it.

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #146 on: January 26, 2011, 11:22:58 AM »
its quite clear who the bigger one is (Ray) but when it comes to asthetics its also quite clear who is sharper (nasser).
???

Or did you do this on purpose...sarcasm...

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #147 on: January 26, 2011, 11:58:29 AM »
???

Or did you do this on purpose...sarcasm...

no i think he was addressing each of them by his name!!..

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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #148 on: January 26, 2011, 12:44:48 PM »
Ray have torsos that are too long for their legs. Ray also had narrow clavicles  

absolutely false. He hasn't a torso too long for his legs, neither narrow clavicles.
I wonder if we are interrested in the same sport.

it seems that you have some concerns with the concept of proportion and perspective.
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Re: Better bodybuilder and Better physique, Shawn Ray or Nasser?
« Reply #149 on: January 26, 2011, 02:41:19 PM »
The people who prefer Shawn over Nasser are likely the same ones who prefer the fitness build over the bodybuilder.

It's apples and oranges.

IMO Nasser at his best eats Shawn alive, it looks like placing a heavyweight next to a middleweight. 


Mr.Bobs... I will answer you respectfully,because you sir ...are a man of respect.. Ray held his own,and beat a ton of the bigger guys.. He did this convincingly.. He was also much smarter.. How could he understand that size was not all that important? All the educated bigger guys,(so called) just kept upping their doses and shoving oil in body parts that could not catch up? I'm not a friend,or worship of neither of these men(like others on here).. But people on here do not judge fairly.. Some allow their blind lust and race come in,and judge on just that.. Now sir..I believe,no matter what the case may be,you are a loyal individual,and would never say anything negative about your friend.. And the others are just weak followers and will go with whatever you say..