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Re: SOTU Address = Pathetic Joke
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2011, 10:08:52 AM »
Never said the current plan was the best one.  But for damn sure it's better than what we had.  Health care for all is more important than dollars or debts.   

You cannot be serious. There is no WAY the current plan is better than what we had.
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2011, 10:18:37 AM »
You cannot be serious. There is no WAY the current plan is better than what we had.

People like to look at two or three little good things in the bill they like yet ignore the 2,000,000 terrible things in MadoffCare that should result in immediate repeal.   

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Re: SOTU Address = Pathetic Joke
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2011, 10:30:51 AM »


Obama Spending-Freeze Pledge Criticized as 'Deficit Preservation'
Fox News ^ | January 26, 2011



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President Obama's pledge to freeze some federal spending for five years was met with yawns Wednesday from a slew of fiscally minded Republicans who say that if the president is serious about tackling the national debt, he'll have to do a lot better than that.

Congressional Republicans want to see deep cuts in the budget, as demonstrated by a GOP proposal last week to slash $2.5 trillion over the next decade and a proposal Tuesday from Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., to cut $500 billion in one year.

Their calls to dismantle entire agencies and departments might not get much bipartisan support. But by comparison, the president's call to freeze domestic spending for five years, yielding a projected savings of $400 billion over a decade, looked too tame to many lawmakers.

"We're continuing to spend at a deficit level, so if we do that for the next five years, we'll continue to add to our debt," Rep. Kristi Noem, R-S.D., told Fox News. "The reality of his speech last night is very difficult to imagine."


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Re: SOTU Address = Pathetic Joke
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2011, 10:32:52 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2011, 12:22:03 PM »
Good summary.

From the Most Surprising to the Most Ridiculous Moment -- A Review of Obama's State of the Union Speech
By Kevin McCullough
Published January 25, 2011
FoxNews.com

Compared to his State of the Union speech a year ago, President Obama seemed almost humble, polite, somewhat bipartisan and he in stealth fashion switched some of his positions nearly 180 degrees. He should also be congratulated on not insulting the visiting members of the Supreme Court. But that's a pretty low bar all the way around when you consider it. And honestly, what else could he do?

What you saw was a presidential mea culpa, at least as strong of one as you will get from the current administration, and that wasn't all bad.
His best moment came early on: "What comes of this moment is up to us. What comes of this moment will be determined not by whether we can sit together tonight, but whether we can work together tomorrow."

The devil will be in the details on most of what the president had to say tonight, but there is no denying the need for Americans to work together. What many may feel however is that we will need to work against the inclination to spend more

His most hypocritical: "Thanks to the tax cuts we passed, Americans’ paychecks are a little bigger today."

These were tax cuts he opposed up until the very final moment when it became clear he had no real choice but to pass, largely because of an informed electorate. But the truth was he had desired to eliminate those cuts since his days on the campaign trail.
His most sincere: "The world has changed."

As was evidenced in large measure by the weakened tone and voice of the chief executive.

His most patriotic: "What’s more, we are the first nation to be founded for the sake of an idea – the idea that each of us deserves the chance to shape our own destiny."

President Obama has struggled in past speeches with the ability to pronounce overtly patriotic rhetoric, but this line, one of the best of the speech genuinely summarizes the goals of the founders and would have resonated with the likes of past Presidents Reagan, Kennedy. Even Bush.
His most honest: "We need to take responsibility for our deficit, and reform our government."

At least he's now on the record. He realizes the deficit is voters' number one anxiety and he will bear great responsibility if he fails to act.
His most ridiculous: "This is our generation’s Sputnik moment."

This analogy was bad from the start. "Sputnik" was the failed first effort of the Soviets. Americans should not, and will not want a 'Sputnik moment'."

His most tired: "We’ll invest in... especially clean energy technology"

Will he relaunch a cap-and-trade pursuit? It appears as though these types of ideas were roundly defeated in November.

His most lame: "I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but they’re (the oil companies) doing just fine on their own."

Bleh... this and his other "funny" moment later in the speech came off terribly weak.

His most surprising: "Some folks want wind and solar. Others want nuclear, clean coal, and natural gas. To meet this goal, we will need them all – and I urge Democrats and Republicans to work together to make it happen."

This position isn't terribly different from former President George W. Bush's. The shift for Obama was to publicly support nuclear and coal.

His most pro-business: "Use the savings to lower the corporate tax rate for the first time in 25 years – without adding to our deficit."

To be honest this is the most aggressive posture President Obama has had towards small businesses in all of his public life. This type of mindset actually WILL help this stagnant economy.

His most dishonest: "We passed reform that finally prevents the health insurance industry from exploiting patients."

His most honest: "We have to confront the fact that our government spends more than it takes in. That is not sustainable."

His cheesiest: "Cutting the deficit by gutting our investments in innovation and education is like lightening an overloaded airplane by removing its engine. It may feel like you’re flying high at first, but it won’t take long before you’ll feel the impact."

His least costly bone thrown to Republicans: "I’m willing to look at other ideas to bring down costs, including one that Republicans suggested last year: medical malpractice reform to rein in frivolous lawsuits."

His first promise he will likely break: "If a bill comes to my desk with earmarks inside, I will veto it."

In reality, unemployment continues to hover around 10%, and in the plans laid out in tonight's address nothing strongly addressed this issue. Reducing the burden of the new health care bill on new businesses, and reducing the impact of regulation on small businesses are two items that the president was allowed to escape scrutiny of tonight, but there is no doubt that they must be addressed.

We can do big things Mr. President. But for right now, because of the excesses of your first two years, and because of the refusal by the old Congresses to keep themselves in check...

For now...
At this time...
It is more important, to do the hard things!

Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "The Kevin McCullough Show" weekdays (7-9am EST) & "Baldwin/McCullough Radio" Saturdays (9-11pm EST) on 265 stations. His newest hardcover from Thomas Nelson Publishers, "No He Can't: How Barack Obama is Dismantling Hope and Change" hits streets March 2011.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/01/25/surprising-ridiculous-moment-review-obamas-state-union-speech/

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Re: SOTU Address = Pathetic Joke
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2011, 01:36:11 PM »
 ;D

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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2011, 01:56:32 PM »
Frank Luntz's focus group, on Hannity, in Atlanta TORE THIS SPEECH to shreds. "Empty rhetoric", "no substance", "He said the same thing two years ago", etc.

When Luntz asked how many people, who voted for Obama, plan to vote for him again (no matter who the GOP fields as a challenger), only TWO people put their hands up. The rest either will wait to see who's left standing in the GOP or won't vote for him at all.

hannity,somebody amits to watching him :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2011, 01:58:23 PM »
Blacken - did you have a wet dream last night?   

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2011, 02:01:18 PM »
why don't you just post when you wake up every morning i hate obama, that  will save you 15 hours of computer time a day ;D

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2011, 02:03:04 PM »
why don't you just post when you wake up every morning i hate obama, that  will save you 15 hours of computer time a day ;D


Ha ha ha.   

I Hate obama

I hate Obama

I Hate Obama





Actually, I have a friend on facebook whose name is "I hate waking up in the morning with obama as POTUS"   

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2011, 02:05:35 PM »
their you go, you feel beter now ;D

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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2011, 02:06:56 PM »
their you go, you feel beter now ;D

Not yet, when he comes out and admits he forged the COLB, was born in Kenya in the hut, and hands in the resignation letter, I will be happy.   

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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2011, 02:35:21 PM »
Not yet, when he comes out and admits he forged the COLB, was born in Kenya in the hut, and hands in the resignation letter, I will be happy.   

Racist post reported. Kenyans are the gatekeepers of the most advanced civilization in history. When primative white europeans were living in caves, the Kenyans built skyscrapers, backscratchers and the worlds first fully functional 24 hour Kentucky Fried Chicken. There are no "huts" in Kenya and there never were.

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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2011, 02:38:09 PM »
Racist post reported. Kenyans are the gatekeepers of the most advanced civilization in history. When primative white europeans were living in caves, the Kenyans built skyscrapers, backscratchers and the worlds first fully functional 24 hour Kentucky Fried Chicken. There are no "huts" in Kenya and there never were.

The funny part of this post is that Samson actually argues that.  :-X

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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2011, 04:13:55 PM »
I caught sme of the crap on the radio and on the tv towards the end.  

Sad, Pathetic, Embarrassing, Disconnected from Reality, a Hoax, Disjointed, Delusional, and one of the worst of my lifetime.

My folks called me up and said the same thing "more empty words with no meaning."

I did like the parties sitting with each other since we did not have the jumping up and down crap.  

Even Team KP on Morning Schmoe realized it was a disjointed joke.  

I really have a hard time believing any grown adult bought in to any of that bullshit.   But then again - 52.3% of our fellow morons voted for this, so I guess nothing surprises any more.  

As far as his "Sputnik Moment"   - how about producing his long form BC for fucks sake?   :P  :P  

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Polls: Public reaction to the State of the Union mostly positive
By Peyton Craighill

Two polls measured immediate reactions to President Obama's State of the Union speech Tuesday night. A CNN/Opinion Research poll found 84 percent of speech-watchers reacted positively to his message, 52 percent very positively. A CBS News poll found 91 percent of watchers approve of the proposals the president made.

These overwhelmingly positive reactions must be understood in the context of those who watched the speech. The CNN sample of speech-watchers was composed of 39 percent Democrats, 19 percent Republicans and 42 percent independents. The CBS poll had a similar profile; 44 percent Democrats, 25 percent Republicans and the 31 percent independents. Among all Americans in the last CBS/New York Times poll, 34 percent identified as Democrats, 27 percent Republican and 39 percent independent.

It's very common for speech watchers to lean toward the party of the president, a built in audience more favorably disposed to hear what he has to say. Mark Blumenthal summarizes the trend in partisan composition of speech-watchers from CNN and CBS here.

The lead theme of the night - a new effort toward bipartisanship - was reflected in the polls. CBS found 62 percent believe Democrats and Republicans will work together more this year. And CNN found 89 percent saying the decision of some Republicans and Democrats to sit together as a good idea. Another 61 percent believe that Obama's plans will succeed in increasing cooperation between the parties.

The main policy components of the speech were well received and results overall are uniformly positive for Obama. More than eight in 10 in the CBS poll approve of Obama's plans for dealing with the economy, the deficit and Afghanistan. Three-quarters of respondents are bullish that Obama's plans will create jobs and make the economy more globally competitive. There is less confidence that he will reduce government spending however, at just 56 percent.

In the CNN poll, 68 percent said they think Obama's plan will succeed in improving the economy and 61 percent said it will create or save millions of jobs. As in the CBS poll, there is slightly lower confidence he will succeed in reducing the deficit at 57 percent.

CNN also found 77 percent thinking Obama's policies will move the country in the right direction and 71 percent rated Obama's speech as just about right ideologically, with 23 percent calling it too liberal and 5 percent not liberal enough.

In order to turn around a poll of this nature quickly enough, each was designed as a re-interview of respondents who were initially interviewed earlier in January. The pre- and post-interview design allows for comparisons of answers before and after the speech. On all available measures, Obama got big bumps after the speech.
By Peyton Craighill  | January 26, 2011
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Re: SOTU Address = Pathetic Joke
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2011, 01:30:25 AM »

 ::)  ::)

All of your bogus cmmunist ideas have been tried and failed everywhere they have ever been tried.   
So if you wish health care for your fellow americans your a communist?
I guess Jesus and god are communists too then?
From an economic wievpoint free health care might not be a good idea but from a christian/humanitarian wiev it makes a lot of sence.



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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2011, 03:14:14 AM »
How many times do we need to destroy that bogus argument? 

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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2011, 04:20:58 AM »
January 27, 2011
Obama's Empty Evasion
By Robert Samuelson


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/01/27/obamas_empty_evasion.html




WASHINGTON -- It was a teachable moment -- and Barack Obama didn't teach. Unless public opinion changes, we won't end our budget deadlock. As is well-known, Americans want budget deficits curbed. In a Kaiser Family Foundation poll, 54 percent urge Congress and the president to "act quickly" and 57 percent prefer spending cuts to tax increases. But there's little support for cuts in Social Security (64 percent opposed), Medicare (56 percent) and Medicaid (47 percent), approaching half of federal spending. The State of the Union gave Obama the opportunity to confront the contradictions and educate Americans in the unpleasant realities of uncontrolled government. He declined.

What we got were empty platitudes. We won't be "buried under a mountain of debt," Obama declared. Heck, we're already buried. We will "win the future." Not by deluding ourselves, we won't. Americans think deficits are someone else's problem that can be cured by taxing the rich (say liberals) or ending wasteful spending (conservatives). Obama indulged these fantasies.
 
If deficits stemmed mainly from the recession, this wouldn't matter. They would shrink as the economy recovered; tax collections would rise and spending (on unemployment insurance, food stamps) would fall. Unfortunately, this isn't the case. In fiscal 2010, the deficit -- the gap between government spending and revenues -- was $1.3 trillion. Of that, about $725 billion was a "structural" deficit, says Mark Zandi of Moody's Analytics. That is, it would exist even if the economy were at full employment (5.75 percent by Zandi's estimate).

Even this arithmetic may be misleading. Falling interest rates -- reflecting the recession and Federal Reserve policy -- have lowered the government's interest payments despite ballooning debt. In 2010, federal interest costs were $197 billion, down from $253 billion in 2008. But as the economy strengthens, interest rates will rise, offsetting some of the recovery's beneficial effect on the deficit. By 2020, annual interest payments could approach $800 billion, projects the Congressional Budget Office.

We cannot have a useful debate on the role of government -- what it should do, for whom and at whose expense -- if Americans are highly misinformed. Obama should have dispelled some common budgetary myths. Consider three:

 Myth: The problem is the deficit. The real issue isn't the deficit. It's the exploding spending on the elderly -- for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- which automatically expands the size of government. If we ended deficits with tax increases, we would simply exchange one problem (high deficits) for another (high taxes). Either would weaken the economy; and sharply higher taxes would represent an undesirable transfer to retirees from younger taxpayers.

Myth: Eliminating wasteful or ineffective programs will close deficits. The Republican Study Committee -- 176 House members -- recently proposed $2.5 trillion of cuts over a decade in non-defense, non-elderly programs. This plan would kill dozens of specific programs. Now, many of these programs should go; they're either unneeded or ineffective. Consider one candidate for elimination, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. In an information-drenched society, it's hard to justify government subsidies for TV and radio.

But this budget category covers only a sixth of federal spending, and squeezing it harshly would penalize many vital government functions (research, transportation, the FBI). The Republicans' cuts are huge, about 35 percent. Even so, they would reduce projected deficits by at most a third. Over the next decade, those deficits could easily total between $7 trillion and $10 trillion.

Myth: The elderly have "earned" their Social Security and Medicare by their lifelong payroll taxes, which were put aside for their retirement. Not so. Both programs are pay-as-you-go. Today's taxes pay today's benefits; little is "saved." Even if all were saved, most retirees receive benefits that far exceed their payroll taxes. Consider a man who turned 65 in 2010 and earned an average wage ($43,100). Over his expected lifetime, he will receive an inflation-adjusted $417,000 in Social Security and Medicare benefits compared to taxes paid of $345,000, estimates an Urban Institute study.

It's a cliche, but true: There are no easy -- or popular -- solutions. Controlling the budget requires some combination of (a) reducing benefits for the elderly; (b) downsizing other programs, including defense; and (c) raising taxes. Not only did Obama avoid choices. He failed to frame the debate in a way that clarified what the choices are. So public opinion remains muddled, and politicians -- sensitive to public opinion -- remain stalemated.

Obama's expedient evasion is the opposite of presidential leadership. It maximizes short-term approval ratings while running long-term risks. A loss of investor confidence could trigger a chaotic flight from Treasury bonds and the dollar. One economist recently wrote in The Financial Times: "I hope it does not ultimately require a crisis to restore fiscal (balance), but I fear it will." That was Peter Orszag, Obama's first budget chief. Sobering.

Copyright 2011, Washington Post Writers Group


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Re: SOTU Address = Pathetic Joke
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2011, 05:22:49 AM »
How many times do we need to destroy that bogus argument? 

Is not about having the right argument
You are looking at the issue from 2 different sides

You are looking at it from a objective view including the economics, long term sustainability etc..
He is looking at it from the view point that we humans need to help each other and that the economy and so on comes second.

You cant argue right or wrong on this because it depends on your priorities

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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2011, 07:04:47 AM »
Is not about having the right argument
You are looking at the issue from 2 different sides

You are looking at it from a objective view including the economics, long term sustainability etc..
He is looking at it from the view point that we humans need to help each other and that the economy and so on comes second.

You cant argue right or wrong on this because it depends on your priorities

you=rock

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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2011, 07:06:37 AM »
you=rock

You= retarded

Him= fertilizer

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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2011, 07:07:37 AM »
You= retarded

Him= fertilizer

You= Get a job and move out of your moms basement

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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2011, 07:13:28 AM »
You= Get a job and move out of your moms basement

 ::) What a weak response.

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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2011, 07:14:13 AM »
You= retarded

Him= fertilizer

Because i dont agree with you? Nice

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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2011, 07:16:41 AM »
Because i dont agree with you? Nice

No. Because your encouraging stupidity. Disagreeing with me is fine. Patting the biggest loser/ moron on the back for emphasizing his lack of intelligence is not cool. We should be looking to help the less fortunate, not contribute to their celebration of ignorance.