Pres. Signs H-Care Insurance Mandate-212 Years Ago!

[Kazan]

you have a choice

partipate or pay a fine (just like the legislation from 1798)

Doesn't make it any less unconstitutional than the current rat fuck

[Soul Crusher]

And guess what genius - like obama said in his own clip -the problem is that this bill is drivig the costs of premiuims beynd the affordability for most people so in the end they will end up with the fine and no health care at all.  

[tonymctones]

you have a choice

partipate or pay a fine (just like the legislation from 1798)

what if you dont want either?

thats not a choice you dumb ass...

youre comparison has a choice...as in the profession and company you work for...

auto insurance has a choice...as in if you choose to drive you need insurance

where is the choice in obamacare?

[Straw Man]

what if you dont want either?

thats not a choice you dumb ass...

youre comparison has a choice...as in the profession and company you work for...

auto insurance has a choice...as in if you choose to drive you need insurance

where is the choice in obamacare?

I don't want to pay my income tax or property tax either

i guess I can choose not to work and choose not to own a home

I'm sure people who were life long sailors were comforted by the fact that they could either pay the insurance or choose to stop working in the only field they've ever known

Like I said previously, Id' be fine it there was a one time "opt out" so people like you and 333 would take it and stfu

[Kazan]

I don't want to pay my income tax or property tax either

i guess I can choose not to work and choose not to own a home

I'm sure people who were life long sailors were comforted by the fact that they could either pay the insurance or choose to stop working in the only field they've ever known

Like I said previously, Id' be fine it there was a one time "opt out" so people like you and 333 would take it and stfu

One problem the government does have the constitutional authority to tax, and property as well as portions of income tax are at state level which according to the 10th amendment is also constitutional.

Yes you can choose not to work or own a home, but up until the last 100 years you would have been on your own and would have had to depend on the good will of others. Now you can just get welfare and food stamps and be a social parasite.

[tonymctones]

I don't want to pay my income tax or property tax either

i guess I can choose not to work and choose not to own a home

I'm sure people who were life long sailors were comforted by the fact that they could either pay the insurance or choose to stop working in the only field they've ever known

Like I said previously, Id' be fine it there was a one time "opt out" so people like you and 333 would take it and stfu

LMFAO goodness gracious...except that the constitution allows for taxation....

it doesnt allow for mandating inaction...

you can squirm and make snide comments all you want doesnt change the FACT

the sailors had a choice to work in that industry and for that company...which is regulation after an action was made...

what choice do we get under obamacares mandate? what action do we take to justify regulating that action?

im not asking what youd be ok with...im asking what choice we get under obamacares mandate...

[Straw Man]

One problem the government does have the constitutional authority to tax, and property as well as portions of income tax are at state level which according to the 10th amendment is also constitutional.

Yes you can choose not to work or own a home, but up until the last 100 years you would have been on your own and would have had to depend on the good will of others. Now you can just get welfare and food stamps and be a social parasite.

you can also choose to not have insurancea and take care of all your health care needs in the emergency room and be a social parasite as well

[Kazan]

you can also choose to not have insurancea and take care of all your health care needs in the emergency room and be a social parasite as well

Sure you can, but the way I was raised you have little pride and take care of your self, pay your own way and not be always looking for a hand out off the work of someone else. And that in itself is the problem being a social parasite is encouraged by the government, buying votes with the public monies.

[Straw Man]

LMFAO goodness gracious...except that the constitution allows for taxation....

it doesnt allow for mandating inaction...

you can squirm and make snide comments all you want doesnt change the FACT

the sailors had a choice to work in that industry and for that company...which is regulation after an action was made...

what choice do we get under obamacares mandate? what action do we take to justify regulating that action?

im not asking what youd be ok with...im asking what choice we get under obamacares mandate...

So I guess the Militia Act of 1792 was unconstitutional too

I guess the founders didn't understand the contintution that they themselves wrote just a few years earlier

It's just ashame they didnt' have the geniuses on GB.com to explain what their own intentions really were

[tonymctones]

So I guess the Militia Act of 1798 was unconstitutional too

I guess the founders didn't understand the contintution that they themselves wrote just a few years earlier

It's just ashame they didnt' have the geniuses on GB.com to explain what their own intentions really were

no b/c they REGULATED AN ACTION YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!

the private citizens choose to work in that industry and the company said if you work in this industry you must meet certain requirements...much like the EPA etc...does today you moron....

obama care doesnt regulate any actions!!!

it forces action...

thats the difference YOU FUKING MORON!!!!!!!!!

[Soul Crusher]

Straw - why didn't they mandate the whole nation carry health insurance? 

[War-Horse]

Doesn't make it any less unconstitutional than the current rat fuck

Hahahaha resorting to disgusting name calling means severe lack of I.Q.    Spazon is melting.

[Kazan]

Hahahaha resorting to disgusting name calling means severe lack of I.Q.    Spazon is melting.

Who did I call a name? If me calling the healthcare bill a rat fuck offends you then, well to bad

[Straw Man]

no b/c they REGULATED AN ACTION YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!

the private citizens choose to work in that industry and the company said if you work in this industry you must meet certain requirements...much like the EPA etc...does today you moron....

obama care doesnt regulate any actions!!!

it forces action...

thats the difference YOU FUKING MORON!!!!!!!!!

glad to see you finally learned how to spell moron

you sure get worked up over a silly message board

btw  I have no clue what you're rambling about.   When you talk about regulating "action" are you refering to the Militia Act of 1792.

You know, the one where the government required every citizen to purchase a gun and ammo

I dont' see any option  to choose not to participate.   if you were  a citizen you had no choice

Isn't that unconstitutional ?

[Straw Man]

Sure you can, but the way I was raised you have little pride and take care of your self, pay your own way and not be always looking for a hand out off the work of someone else. And that in itself is the problem being a social parasite is encouraged by the government, buying votes with the public monies.

I feel the same way.

I've paid all my own living expenses, including insurance since the month after I graduated from college.

Even when i wasn't making shit I always had it covered because I would never want my parents to be bankrupted if I was really sick or injured.  I honestly don't know why people are bitching about having to bu insurance when most would never consider not having it in the first place

[Straw Man]

Hahahaha resorting to disgusting name calling means severe lack of I.Q.    Spazon is melting.

if want to see an  example look at how often 3333 and Tony have resorted to name calling in this thread

shit -  333  started with his very first response to me in this thread

[Kazan]

I feel the same way.

I've paid all my own living expenses, including insurance since the month after I graduated from college.

Even when i wasn't making shit I always had it covered because I would never want my parents to be bankrupted if I was really sick or injured.  I honestly don't know why people are bitching about having to bu insurance when most would never consider not having it in the first place

Because the constitution doesn't give the federal government that authority, I am looking at the big picture with this being a lynch pin issue. If they can get away with this then the flood gates are open and America as we know it is over. We have a constitution in name only and an Omnipotent federal government that will have the power to control any and all aspects of our lives.

[Straw Man]

Because the constitution doesn't give the federal government that authority, I am looking at the big picture with this being a lynch pin issue. If they can get away with this then the flood gates are open and America as we know it is over. We have a constitution in name only and an Omnipotent federal government that will have the power to control any and all aspects of our lives.

where did they get the authority to require every citizen to purchas a gun (presumably from a private company)

how about if they just change the mandate to a tax

[Soul Crusher]

Straw - I called you a genius no? 

[Straw Man]

Straw - I called you a genius no? 

you can't see your own first post in this thread?

[tonymctones]

glad to see you finally learned how to spell moron

you sure get worked up over a silly message board

btw  I have no clue what you're rambling about.   When you talk about regulating "action" are you refering to the Militia Act of 1792.

You know, the one where the government required every citizen to purchase a gun and ammo

I dont' see any option  to choose not to participate.   if you were  a citizen you had no choice

Isn't that unconstitutional ?

LOL and what happend to the militia act of 1792?

OH THATS RIGHT IT GOT REPEALED!!!!!!!!!!! IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

regulating an action is regulation of an action as in IF you choose to act in this way you have to meet certain requirements...

example...the legislation with sailors and auto insurance

regulating inaction is regulation that forces you to act as in you have no choice, you have to do this...

example being obamacares mandate

regulating action is legal, regulating inaction is not!!!!!!!!!!!

[tonymctones]

where did they get the authority to require every citizen to purchas a gun (presumably from a private company)

how about if they just change the mandate to a tax

that law was repealed....

you mean kinda like a single payer system?

[Kazan]

where did they get the authority to require every citizen to purchas a gun (presumably from a private company)

how about if they just change the mandate to a tax

Well it didn't require every citizen to purchase a firearm, only white male citizens between he age of 18 and 45 with various exemptions. Besides it was repealed. And I'm pretty sure if the government wasn't able to call a militia the United States wouldn't exist at this point in time.

[Straw Man]

that law was repealed....
you mean kinda like a single payer system?

not because it was unconstitutional but because was basically ineffective and no longer necessary

still, the founders did pass it and you'd think they would understand the constitution which they themselves wrote

[Straw Man]

Well it didn't require every citizen to purchase a firearm, only white male citizens between he age of 18 and 45 with various exemptions. Besides it was repealed. And I'm pretty sure if the government wasn't able to call a militia the United States wouldn't exist at this point in time.

it wasn't repealed because it was deemed unconstitutional and just like the early insurance mandate it carved out which people were required to purchase.   If a group of people can be defined in one set of legislation then I don't see why a "group" cannot be redefined in another piece of legislation.   

btw - I've said many times I'd be fine with an opt out provision

opt out and then you're on your own

that's what all these freedom loving patriots claim they want right.  They want to the governmetn to get off their back so I say make if that's what you want then we should give anyone who chooses the one time option to get out and stay out