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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2011, 02:12:37 PM »
So was the patriot act. who cares?  Any solutions or just more whining?

Who cares? Wow I guess we should just burn the constitution and let the government do whatever it wants ::)
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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2011, 02:14:07 PM »
So was the patriot act. who cares?  Any solutions or just more whining?
this isnt a solution you idiot

as james and I have already proven to your ignorant ass close to 50% of ppl in america dont pay federal income tax...

they will be given tax credits for this...WHO PAYS FOR THOSE TAX CREDITS???

thats right the other 50% of the ppl that do pay taxes

so basically you still have 50% paying for the other 50% except...now the insurance risk has increased so guess what happens to premiums?

THEY GO UP LIKE THEY ARE DOING NOW YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!


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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2011, 02:19:24 PM »
this isnt a solution you idiot

as james and I have already proven to your ignorant ass close to 50% of ppl in america dont pay federal income tax...

they will be given tax credits for this...WHO PAYS FOR THOSE TAX CREDITS???

thats right the other 50% of the ppl that do pay taxes

so basically you still have 50% paying for the other 50% except...now the insurance risk has increased so guess what happens to premiums?

THEY GO UP LIKE THEY ARE DOING NOW YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!
oh ya i forgot to add that the govt raises taxes to help pay for the tax credits...

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2011, 02:20:58 PM »
Sadly that basic economic concept never dawed on the transformational genius obama and the morons wh still support him.     

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2011, 02:25:48 PM »
agreed, does that mean that the dems that voted for the bill support everything in it?

i mean the reps apparently hate everything in the bill

fuking idiot

Hey I think it can be reworked and so does the president.  Its in the interest of the repubs to do that but first they are going for the whole enchilada which is a way to kill time and spread lies.  Meanwhile the dems are pronouncing the good parts of it to the public.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2011, 02:31:29 PM »
Hey I think it can be reworked and so does the president.  Its in the interest of the repubs to do that but first they are going for the whole enchilada which is a way to kill time and spread lies.  Meanwhile the dems are pronouncing the good parts of it to the public.
LOL goodness gracious youre a bigger idiot than i thought...

the reps arent doing this to kill time and spread lies you fuking moron they are doing this to get the dems on record again as being for this bill for campaigning purposes in 2012...kinda like how the dems tried with the tax cuts that back fired on them...

The reps gave ideas that got left out of this bill, tort reform and allowing insurance companies to cross state lines...

why were those left out by the dems and obama?

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2011, 02:31:50 PM »
Because the government uses the commerce clause to setup a monopoly for them, it's not that hard to grasp. The insurance companies have a very powerful lobby, and they get what they want. Why would they be against this? They are going to get what 35 million new customers?


So we agree then.  The insurance companies are greedy and corrupt.  And politicians are puppets of them and anyone with major money.

We can see they will never do the right thing.....so whats wrong with MAKING them do the right thing??  Provide coverage to the little girl with cancer instead of denying after the parents have loyally made premiums for 20 damn years.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2011, 02:32:38 PM »
Hey I think it can be reworked and so does the president.  Its in the interest of the repubs to do that but first they are going for the whole enchilada which is a way to kill time and spread lies.  Meanwhile the dems are pronouncing the good parts of it to the public.

"Reworked" ? why was the piece of shit Bill passed in the first place? oh that's right, as Pelsoi said, they had to pass it in order to see what was in it. Really, why waist time reading the Bill?  Why bother reading anything?

Speaking of not reading reminds me of you: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=364755.75

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2011, 02:39:06 PM »
Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped.  They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass.   Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......

Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012.   ;)

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2011, 02:39:35 PM »
There is nothing to rework - this entire Rube GoldbergEsqe messneeds to go away.  

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2011, 02:40:48 PM »
Who cares? Wow I guess we should just burn the constitution and let the government do whatever it wants ::)


It always has.   Why do you think their are amendmants to the constitution?  Time marches on.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2011, 02:41:08 PM »
Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped.  They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass.   Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......

Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012.   ;)


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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2011, 02:43:19 PM »
Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped.  They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass.   Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......

Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012.   ;)
I would leave to if i had gotten shown a fool as much as you had in the 2 threads about this...


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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2011, 02:49:33 PM »
Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped.  They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass.   Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......

Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012.   ;)

Wrong again dummy, Obama promised that Insurance premiums (cost) would start to go down once the Bill was passed.

from WhiteHouse.gov:

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.  

    * You will likely pay less---perhaps much less.  If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2011, 02:50:26 PM »
What freaking lies.   

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2011, 02:55:48 PM »
What freaking lies.  

You mean you didn't get the "14 to 20 percent" drop in premiums (that Obama promised) either ?

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2011, 02:57:12 PM »
You mean you didn't get the "14 to 20 percent" drop in premiums (that Obama promised) either ?

No!   I have gotten insane hikes an increases to this Mugabe/Madoff healthscam. 

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2011, 02:58:49 PM »
No!   I have gotten insane hikes an increases to this Mugabe/Madoff healthscam. 

But Obama (via the WhiteHouse.gov website still) states that our rates would go down 14 to 20 percent.   ::)

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2011, 03:00:21 PM »
But Obama (via the WhiteHouse.gov website still) states that our rates would go down 14 to 20 percent.   ::)

I dont give a shit what he says - he is a lying sack of Kenyan elephant dung.   There has not been one honest thing he has said or done yet.   

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2011, 03:10:02 PM »
Seriously.  When asked about premiums going down after bill passed.......too funny, like a magic fairy sprinkles dust and you guys start crying at that moment.... ;D

It will take some time to get it going. Heres the projected timeline. Until then your insurance company is gonna rape you blind!!!!!


Health care reform hits another milestone next month, with new provisions that include a coverage expansion for young adults and restrictions on an insurer's ability to impose annual coverage limits or to reject children with pre-existing medical conditions.

Insurance coverage that starts on or after Sept. 23 will have to comply with these changes and others that were put in place when President Barack Obama signed the health overhaul into law March 23. For most people, the changes won't affect their plans until coverage renews in the weeks or months that follow. Here are the highlights:

_ Adult children up to age 26 will be able to receive dependent coverage with all individual and group policies.

_ Lifetime limits on the dollar value of insurance coverage will be prohibited. This refers to how much your insurance coverage pays out to cover claims.

_ Restrictions will be placed on annual limits for coverage, a practice that will prohibited in 2014.

_ Insurers will be prohibited from rescinding or canceling coverage except in cases where the customer commits fraud.

_ Insurers will not be able to exclude children from coverage because of a pre-existing condition, but they can require parents to sign up kids only during a fixed annual enrollment period to ensure they don't wait until a child gets sick to buy coverage.

_ Insurers will be required to provide preventive care like immunizations or mammograms without charging co-pays or other forms of cost sharing. Some may not have to comply with this element if their coverage existed March 23 and has not changed substantially.

Individual plans that have so-called "grandfathered status" like this also will not have to immediately follow the new restrictions on annual coverage limits or eliminate their lifetime caps. Over time, most plans will lose their grandfathered status as they make changes in benefit designs, said Jennifer Tolbert, a health policy analyst with the Kaiser Family Foundation.

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AdvertisementTolbert said these early provisions of the new law focus in part on consumer protections.

"It's basically improving the quality of coverage that people have," she said.

However, insurers and benefits analysts have cautioned that these restrictions and coverage expansions will raise the cost of insurance for some customers.

Several provisions of the complex law started unfolding in the weeks after President Obama signed it. For instance, people with Medicare prescription drug coverage are receiving $250 rebates once they reach a gap in their coverage known as the "doughnut hole."

Enrollment has started in some states for temporary insurance that will cover people with pre-existing medical conditions who have been uninsured for at least six months. Some small businesses that offer employee health coverage can seek tax credits that will apply for this year.

The law will continue to develop over the next several years. In 2011, insurers will be required to offer rebates if they don't spend a minimum percentage of their premiums on medical costs. Details of that provision are still being worked out.

Some of the biggest reform provisions start in 2014.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2011, 03:23:23 PM »
Seriously.  When asked about premiums going down after bill passed.......too funny, like a magic fairy sprinkles dust and you guys start crying at that moment.... ;D

It will take some time to get it going. Heres the projected timeline. Until then your insurance company is gonna rape you blind!!!!!


Health care reform hits another milestone next month, with new provisions that include a coverage expansion for young adults and restrictions on an insurer's ability to impose annual coverage limits or to reject children with pre-existing medical conditions.

Insurance coverage that starts on or after Sept. 23 will have to comply with these changes and others that were put in place when President Barack Obama signed the health overhaul into law March 23. For most people, the changes won't affect their plans until coverage renews in the weeks or months that follow. Here are the highlights:

_ Adult children up to age 26 will be able to receive dependent coverage with all individual and group policies.

_ Lifetime limits on the dollar value of insurance coverage will be prohibited. This refers to how much your insurance coverage pays out to cover claims.

_ Restrictions will be placed on annual limits for coverage, a practice that will prohibited in 2014.

_ Insurers will be prohibited from rescinding or canceling coverage except in cases where the customer commits fraud.

_ Insurers will not be able to exclude children from coverage because of a pre-existing condition, but they can require parents to sign up kids only during a fixed annual enrollment period to ensure they don't wait until a child gets sick to buy coverage.

_ Insurers will be required to provide preventive care like immunizations or mammograms without charging co-pays or other forms of cost sharing. Some may not have to comply with this element if their coverage existed March 23 and has not changed substantially.

Individual plans that have so-called "grandfathered status" like this also will not have to immediately follow the new restrictions on annual coverage limits or eliminate their lifetime caps. Over time, most plans will lose their grandfathered status as they make changes in benefit designs, said Jennifer Tolbert, a health policy analyst with the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Story continues below
AdvertisementTolbert said these early provisions of the new law focus in part on consumer protections.

"It's basically improving the quality of coverage that people have," she said.

However, insurers and benefits analysts have cautioned that these restrictions and coverage expansions will raise the cost of insurance for some customers.

Several provisions of the complex law started unfolding in the weeks after President Obama signed it. For instance, people with Medicare prescription drug coverage are receiving $250 rebates once they reach a gap in their coverage known as the "doughnut hole."

Enrollment has started in some states for temporary insurance that will cover people with pre-existing medical conditions who have been uninsured for at least six months. Some small businesses that offer employee health coverage can seek tax credits that will apply for this year.

The law will continue to develop over the next several years. In 2011, insurers will be required to offer rebates if they don't spend a minimum percentage of their premiums on medical costs. Details of that provision are still being worked out.

Some of the biggest reform provisions start in 2014.


War-dummy,

"today"  does not mean a week from now, and it does not mean a year from now, once again:

from WhiteHouse.gov:

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

    * You will likely pay less---perhaps much less.  If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2011, 03:26:07 PM »
War-dummy,

"today"  does not mean a week from now, and it does not mean a year from now, once again:

from WhiteHouse.gov:

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

    * You will likely pay less---perhaps much less.  If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance



Are you for real.... ::)     Yes you will be paying less than today when the ball is rolling.......omg ::)

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2011, 03:27:08 PM »
No wonder you voted for Obama if you believe that   

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2011, 03:30:02 PM »


Are you for real.... ::)     Yes you will be paying less than today when the ball is rolling.......omg ::)

You truly are an idiot.

In 2 years the most expensive mandates of the Bill will go into affect, and this will make rates go up even faster than they are now.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2011, 03:34:54 PM »
You truly are an idiot.

In 2 years the most expensive mandates of the Bill will go into affect, and this will make rates go up even faster than they are now.


Nice crystal ball you have.   Look forward to seeing repubs ideas on this which is not just status quo.