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he defended Odonell tho.. the Witch..oh yeah she came out with the commercial "i am not a witch"

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he defended Odonell tho.. the Witch..oh yeah she came out with the commercial "i am not a witch"

Maybe Obama should make a im not a commie, Kenyan, russian agent, socialist and collapser of nations commercial?

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Maybe Obama should make a im not a commie, Kenyan, russian agent, socialist and collapser of nations commercial?

hahahaha now thats funny..........

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wow this topic is still going  ???

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wow this topic is still going  ???


yeah.. 3333 says it happened

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Maybe Obama should make a im not a commie, Kenyan, russian agent, socialist and collapser of nations commercial?

Wouldnt work - far oo much evidence to the contrary.   

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 this story was dead on arrival, it just didn't add up

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this story was dead on arrival, it just didn't add up

Like I said - the newspaper now has the duty to release the cables they claim they are referring to now that the SOS has denied it.   

 

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Like I said - the newspaper now has the duty to release the cables they claim they are referring to now that the SOS has denied it.   

 
So its not a 100% confirmed story as of now?

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"Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM's to the U.K., or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START.


its been going on since 1991, end of story

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So its not a 100% confirmed story as of now?

No

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No

so maybe your 5 page thread is a premature piece of irresponsible 2nd dog shit?

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so maybe your 5 page thread is a premature piece of irresponsible 2nd dog shit?

I posted what was being reported on numerous outlets.

I want to see the cables the newspaper claims they based the story on.   

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I posted what was being reported on numerous outlets.
I want to see the cables the newspaper claims they based the story on.   

and then ranted and raved that Obama was:

Bottom line:   Obama is a traitor, a communist, a radical islamist, a marxist stooge, an anti-american zealot, an anti-colonialist, a dirtbag, a vagabond, a grifter, a thug, a product of affirmative action at its worst, a beneficiary of the trust of guilt ridden gullible white morons, a poverty pimp, a faux african american abusing the racial history of a segment of our population to ganer misplaced loyalty when none is warranted, and overall lying sack of shit willing to throw any ally or friend of the USA under the bus in order for him to pursue his treasonous agenda.   

and then criticized everyone who voted for him rather than your preferred choice

or to put it another way..........just another normal day for you on GB.com

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so maybe your 5 page thread is a premature piece of irresponsible 2nd dog shit?

and then ranted and raved that Obama was:

and then criticized everyone who voted for him rather than your preferred choice

or to put it another way..........just another normal day for you on GB.com


Yep folks.... just another +1 to the tally score for 333 having ANOTHER thread back fire and blow up in his face.

Paging Dr. Reality....  Paging Dr. Reality.... STAT case here. 

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Other outlets are still going with this story today. 

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 I know who don't love Russia! It's the black folks from the NFL who would have been useless in Russia :-X

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saying shit like that is not smart,actually pretty fu#king stupid  :o

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Nile Gardiner

Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. He appears frequently on American and British television and radio, including Fox News Channel, CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR. Hillary Clinton's spokesman calls Telegraph nukes story 'bunk', but fails to check his facts

By Nile Gardiner World Last updated: February 8th, 2011

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P. J. Crowley pops up to say hello (Photo: AP)


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Hillary Clinton’s spokesman, Philip J. Crowley, has described a major story – revealed by the Daily Telegraph – on the Obama administration’s secret decision to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent as “bunk”.

In an email on Saturday to Time magazine, Crowley stated:

This is bunk. Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM’s [submarine launch ballistic missiles] to the UK, or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the UK’s independent nuclear deterrent.

But it appears that Mr Crowley, Assistant Secretary of State with the Bureau of Public Affairs, has not checked his facts. There are, in fact, substantial differences between the 1991 and 2011 START Treaties. A key example is that, as the Wikileaks documents show, the US agreed to give the Russians unique identifiers for the American missiles transferred to Britain. These identifiers were not included in the original 1991 START Treaty. Crowley’s key assertion that the Obama administration “simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty” is completely false. It has no basis in reality.

As a key Wikileaks document published by the Telegraph shows, describing a key conversation between US and Russian negotiators at a meeting in Geneva on February 26, 2010, Washington offered Moscow “more information than was disclosed under START”:

UK TRIDENT MISSILES

Orlov asked about the U.S. practice of transferring Trident II missiles to the United Kingdom (UK) in reference to the Russian-proposed agreed statement on the subject. Trout pointed out that most of the provisions contained in the proposed agreed statement were already covered by other sections of the treaty. He noted that notifications existed for the transfer and return of missiles to and from a third party. Additionally, he pointed out, the Russian Federation will receive unique identifiers for each of the missiles transferred to the UK, which was more information than was disclosed under START.

The Telegraph’s revelations have sparked a good deal of interest on Capitol Hill, where a number of Congressional offices are already demanding answers from the Obama administration over the treatment of America’s closest ally. The attempt by the administration to spin this story also raises important questions as to why the negotiating documents for the New START Treaty were not handed over to the Senate for scrutiny during the debates over START. It is hugely important that government officials convey an accurate account of policy decisions that are made behind the scenes – away from the public eye, but in the name of the American people.

The Telegraph’s report raises major questions over what other deals may have been struck by Barack Obama’s team at the expense of US allies in order to clinch a deal with the Russians, and why the whole negotiating process has been hidden from Congressional scrutiny. There can be no doubt that, despite the Mr Crowley’s attempts to bury the story, Congressional interest in Washington will grow intensely in the coming weeks, as lawmakers demand to know what was said and promised during these negotiations.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, New START Treaty, PJ Crowley, State Department, US politics

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100075257/hillary-clintons-spokesman-calls-telegraph-nukes-story-bunk-but-fails-to-check-his-facts


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But it appears that Mr Crowley, Assistant Secretary of State with the Bureau of Public Affairs, has not checked his facts. There are, in fact, substantial differences between the 1991 and 2011 START Treaties. A key example is that, as the Wikileaks documents show, the US agreed to give the Russians unique identifiers for the American missiles transferred to Britain. These identifiers were not included in the original 1991 START Treaty. Crowley’s key assertion that the Obama administration “simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty” is completely false. It has no basis in reality.

As a key Wikileaks document published by the Telegraph shows, describing a key conversation between US and Russian negotiators at a meeting in Geneva on February 26, 2010, Washington offered Moscow “more information than was disclosed under START”:



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I hope ISSA gets right on this and grills this scumbag crowley asap.   

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Source: ABC News

Both the U.S. and British governments disputed on Saturday a London Telegraph report asserting that the "U.S. secretly agreed to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent to persuade them to sign a key treaty."State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley called the report "nonsense," saying the information sharing about U.S. transfers of nuclear weapons to the U.K. dates back to the original START treaty, an assertion backed up by the White House and British government officials.

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Crowley emailed ABC News that "Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM's to the U.K., or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the U.K.'s independent nuclear deterrent."

A knowledgeable source with the British government, speaking anonymously because his government has a policy of not commenting on Wikileaks, says his understanding of the policy conforms with that asserted by the State Department.


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Lol. Now wiki leaks is falling prey to false advertising? 

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Lol. Now wiki leaks is falling prey to false advertising? 

I tend to believe wikileaks far more than the empty trash from politcians doing CYA.   

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I tend to believe wikileaks far more than the empty trash from politcians doing CYA.   
I don't know that I should believe either as wiki leaks is now a tool subject to zero verification. 

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Nile Gardiner

Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. He appears frequently on American and British television and radio, including Fox News Channel, CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR. Hillary Clinton's spokesman calls Telegraph nukes story 'bunk', but fails to check his facts

By Nile Gardiner World Last updated: February 8th, 2011

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P. J. Crowley pops up to say hello (Photo: AP)


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Hillary Clinton’s spokesman, Philip J. Crowley, has described a major story – revealed by the Daily Telegraph – on the Obama administration’s secret decision to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent as “bunk”.

In an email on Saturday to Time magazine, Crowley stated:

This is bunk. Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM’s [submarine launch ballistic missiles] to the UK, or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the UK’s independent nuclear deterrent.

But it appears that Mr Crowley, Assistant Secretary of State with the Bureau of Public Affairs, has not checked his facts. There are, in fact, substantial differences between the 1991 and 2011 START Treaties. A key example is that, as the Wikileaks documents show, the US agreed to give the Russians unique identifiers for the American missiles transferred to Britain. These identifiers were not included in the original 1991 START Treaty. Crowley’s key assertion that the Obama administration “simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty” is completely false. It has no basis in reality.

As a key Wikileaks document published by the Telegraph shows, describing a key conversation between US and Russian negotiators at a meeting in Geneva on February 26, 2010, Washington offered Moscow “more information than was disclosed under START”:

UK TRIDENT MISSILES

Orlov asked about the U.S. practice of transferring Trident II missiles to the United Kingdom (UK) in reference to the Russian-proposed agreed statement on the subject. Trout pointed out that most of the provisions contained in the proposed agreed statement were already covered by other sections of the treaty. He noted that notifications existed for the transfer and return of missiles to and from a third party. Additionally, he pointed out, the Russian Federation will receive unique identifiers for each of the missiles transferred to the UK, which was more information than was disclosed under START.

The Telegraph’s revelations have sparked a good deal of interest on Capitol Hill, where a number of Congressional offices are already demanding answers from the Obama administration over the treatment of America’s closest ally. The attempt by the administration to spin this story also raises important questions as to why the negotiating documents for the New START Treaty were not handed over to the Senate for scrutiny during the debates over START. It is hugely important that government officials convey an accurate account of policy decisions that are made behind the scenes – away from the public eye, but in the name of the American people.

The Telegraph’s report raises major questions over what other deals may have been struck by Barack Obama’s team at the expense of US allies in order to clinch a deal with the Russians, and why the whole negotiating process has been hidden from Congressional scrutiny. There can be no doubt that, despite the Mr Crowley’s attempts to bury the story, Congressional interest in Washington will grow intensely in the coming weeks, as lawmakers demand to know what was said and promised during these negotiations.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, New START Treaty, PJ Crowley, State Department, US politics

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100075257/hillary-clintons-spokesman-calls-telegraph-nukes-story-bunk-but-fails-to-check-his-facts




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