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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2005, 03:32:55 PM »

Some of you wonder what some body builders do when they are not on stage... now you know.  By the way, several IFBB pros showed up on that board.  Some stayed, some just passed through.

More Scott Klein.  You synthol experts... are his triceps for real?

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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2005, 06:40:49 PM »

It’s funny you should ask Dina. Whenever the deaths were reported (they were many) on the muscle gossip/escort board, all we were told is that the guy died.  If anyone dared to ask HOW the guy died they were immediately smacked down by one of the moderators for asking.  Some people were even banned for asking (they eventually came back under new identities). 

Whether or not one was even allowed to ask about the cause of death became the subject of a thread in itself.  Many people, like me, thought the question was a natural one people ask when someone young dies, but there were others who thought asking about the cause of death was evil, sinful, and cause for excommunication.  Strange. 

Androkid was another escort who croaked in 2003. I thought he had good BB potential too.
  I had heard that he had died, but I had no way to confirm it. Now i feel bad. I have a few of his pictures up to keep me motivated to keep lifting. Do you have any more info on him?
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2005, 06:58:11 PM »

why the big secret? what are they doing to die so young?
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2005, 07:11:44 PM »

i knew john from the new york BB seen but was by no means a friend
i saw him before he went into the hospital 6 months ago and he was sadly a mess ! he was once about 280 and when i saw him he looked to have been 130 lbs and had the shakes he tried seeling some test gel lol !
i could not  buy anything from him because i just felt like i was only helping him kill himself faster .he had a few medical problems
that sure made me think he had aids all the christal and unprotected sex kills you fast ! he had a real girlfriend that would take care of him but sadly she left once things got bad ....cant say i blame her
huslers just dont last that life is just plain ugly !
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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2005, 07:13:30 PM »

  I had heard that he had died, but I had no way to confirm it. Now i feel bad. I have a few of his pictures up to keep me motivated to keep lifting. Do you have any more info on him?

More info?  Such as?


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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2005, 07:15:22 PM »

yeah but what could kill someone that young so quick the diseases will deteriorate you over time but not that quick.
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2005, 07:43:58 PM »

note to self... never EVER click on a thread started by BAYBGM again
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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2005, 07:47:54 PM »


More Scott Klein.  You synthol experts... are his triceps for real?


If his tri's are real, then the Catholic religion is based around Satanism.
No way are his triceps real. I'd love to see someone argue that one.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2005, 08:04:32 PM »

note to self... never EVER click on a thread started by BAYBGM again

Let me see if I understand this.... there are more than 18 different forums on getbig with more than (conservatively) 500 different threads.  You wondered into the Sex forum and deliberately clicked on a thread called “Muscle escorting” and we’re supposed to believe you are surprised or offended by the content here? ha ha ha ha

You might as well create a new account, my friend.  Your SNB one just lost all credibility.
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2005, 08:25:03 PM »

Someone, who wishes to remain anonymous, just reminded me about Barry also known as "Totally Huge", the large former football player turned escort who also ended up going nowhere fast.  I don't remember the year he died; it was some time around 2000/01.  Like I said, for a while there they were dropping like flies.

Barry stood out among muscle escorts because he was willing to romp with both men, women, and multiples of both.  His website used to note that in addition to individual male clients “couples [were] welcome.”  Of course, that would cost extra.


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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2005, 08:26:40 PM »

what are these dudes dying from?
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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2005, 08:36:16 PM »

They're dying from the dreaded diease "semen swallowitis en excessiveness" it strikes only a select few who want it all at once.  It is sad but true.  How can we beat this awful infliction.  Please if you encountered anyone with this diease be careful.  It's not worth the end result.  Think Before you Cum
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2005, 08:46:17 PM »

As I noted previously, in most cases, we were never told the cause of death and we were repeatedly told that we were not even allowed to ask the cause.  I suspect it was drug abuse--i.e. an overdose.  With no marketable skills or training and no employment prospects by the time these (straight) guys fall far enough to be tricking with old gay men for money, getting high is all but required to make it through the day . . . and night.  Cry


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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2005, 12:53:24 AM »

How damn sad...  There has got to be a better way to make a living. 


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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2005, 04:56:33 AM »

As you might imagine, the Johns got pretty hostile and defensive whenever anyone called them on the hypocrisy of pretending to be “friends” with these escorts and “caring” about them.  Denial is a powerful and real phenomena.  Heck, you’d be in denial too if an escort (effectively) killed himself after having sex with you. 

"I'd rather be dead than live with the memory of having slept with you!" Ouch!  Now, that's what I call rejection!  Embarrassed

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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2005, 05:41:23 AM »

 Well, i kinda had a wee bit of a crush on him. how old was he, his stats, etc.
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2005, 05:57:35 AM »

Well, i kinda had a wee bit of a crush on him. how old was he, his stats, etc.

If you mean Scott Klein, here's a hint; check out his website as indicated above... he was a cute kid.


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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2005, 06:15:20 AM »

I really feel like smacking these guys in the head.....  so sad
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2005, 06:48:12 AM »

What is really sad is that amid all the attention, adulation, and money lavished on them by the Johns (by the way, it’s not that much money) muscle escorts operate under the fiction that they are in near virgin territory and almost no one has ever done this before.

They never stop to ask themselves what happened to the muscle escorts that were here before me?  Where are they now?  Are they living happily ever after?  Or are they strung out on drugs, dying, or dead?  The answer is almost always the latter, but sometimes people don’t ask questions specifically because they don’t want to know the answers.

I’m sure several more escorts have croaked since I left that board, but in the end, no one cares.  There are plenty more muscle whores they came from and an endless amount of Johns waiting in the wings.  Cry
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2005, 12:55:06 PM »

Interesting thread.  I really doubt these guys set goals and ambitions to be hustlers when they grow up.  Additionally it is really no mystery how so many people die in this lifestyle.  Disease, addiction, and low self esteem. 

I am very lucky to be able to have gone through "hustling" and come out of it with my life, and without disease. 

I did not really feel as though I "fit in" anywhere and in my early 20's I successfully auditioned to become an erotic entertainer, dancing for women at b'day and batechelorette parties.  At first I was very shy, especially coming from an almost fanatical religious background.  Throughout high school I excelled in sports and heavy drug use.  Several times I almost overdosed on various differing substances. 

I cleaned up, and went into dancing.  I overcame my shyness and started making money and feeling great at work.  Women loved me at work, they loved me when I went into bars and danced.  I felt like a rock star.  Women screaming for me to take it off, and guys envious of their girlfriends screaming over me.  The ego only lasted until I was done with the shows, and there I was again.  It was my new drug. 

After a couple of months a fellow dancer was bragging about making thousands of $$$ dancing at gay bars.  I decided to check it out.  I had never even thought about gays that much before.  I just thought of gays as queeny hair dresser types - until my first night of work.  Besides the lack of real women (there were drag queens as the MCs) the place seemed like any other bar.  Gay did not have a look.  The guys in the bar looked just like guys you would see anywhere. 

I was nervous, and I went on stage, and loved it.  The attention was great.  It was quite a boost to the ego to have men hitting on me, even though I was not sexually interested in them.  I did great.  Very quickly I was the number 1 dancer.  I decided when I was going to work, and I decided when to leave.  The other dancers hated me because they felt I was making their money.  I felt a lot more confident in front of the guys because I did not care.  With the women I just felt insecure.  I could put a great show on, but my sexual interest in the women made it difficult to "hustle" them.

That bar closed and I went to another bar where more hustling was involved.  I would not have been able to work the next place in the beginning, but it is amazing how quickly lines are crossed, and what was not ok one day became ok the next. 
I was making great money for my age I thought, and I decided to move to another state because I could.  I could do what I did anywhere. 

I traveled south, and where I ended up things are much different, and not as conservative as they were up north.  I quickly found out that if I wanted to earn as much $$$ as I was before I was going to have to do more.  I knew about fetish, and I knew about the gay rage (magazines) and I put an ad in the back. There are plenty of hustlers advertising in these mags, and I was not willing to do the sucking and fucking with guys.  I placed a fetish ad.  I got lots of calls.  I made lots of $$$.  I had low self esteem, and I spent the $$$ as fast as I made it.  I got back into drugs.  I started doing steroids.  I felt like total shit.  I hated myself.  I felt lower than dirt.  I got more into the life.  I did some solo shots for a couple mags, and even a solo video. 

I was barely making ends meet, and I hated what I was doing.  I did not even stop to think how the hell did I end up into this life.  I overdosed on GHB multiple times and I was parting at work (still dancing too).  I witnessed some of the more severe stuff that others got into as well.  People dying because of their lifestyle. 

Somehow I managed to get myself out of the life.  It has not been easy.  I was into that life for 7 years and I learned it was all because of my state of mind.  I became ill because of the way I was thinking, the drugs, and the steroids.  It has taken a while to pull myself out of what I was into, and I am thankful I did not die during that type of life.  Seeing this thread it took me there.

I no longer do drugs, or even drink.  I do not obsessively work out.  I have not done steroids in six years, and I will not do them again.  I also realize my state of mind got me into that type of lifestyle.  I just work on letting go and accepting others without judgment.  It seems as though my life is a lot better now than before.  I understand how people cross over invisible lines and end up in situations they may not have wanted to get into, or even imagined.  It is easy to do.  It takes determination, and a look inside to get out, and few are able to really do it when in that state of mind.     
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« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2005, 01:18:39 PM »

Interesting thread.  I really doubt these guys set goals and ambitions to be hustlers when they grow up.  Additionally it is really no mystery how so many people die in this lifestyle.  Disease, addiction, and low self esteem. 

I am very lucky to be able to have gone through "hustling" and come out of it with my life, and without disease. 

I did not really feel as though I "fit in" anywhere and in my early 20's I successfully auditioned to become an erotic entertainer, dancing for women at b'day and batechelorette parties.  At first I was very shy, especially coming from an almost fanatical religious background.  Throughout high school I excelled in sports and heavy drug use.  Several times I almost overdosed on various differing substances. 

I cleaned up, and went into dancing.  I overcame my shyness and started making money and feeling great at work.  Women loved me at work, they loved me when I went into bars and danced.  I felt like a rock star.  Women screaming for me to take it off, and guys envious of their girlfriends screaming over me.  The ego only lasted until I was done with the shows, and there I was again.  It was my new drug. 

After a couple of months a fellow dancer was bragging about making thousands of $$$ dancing at gay bars.  I decided to check it out.  I had never even thought about gays that much before.  I just thought of gays as queeny hair dresser types - until my first night of work.  Besides the lack of real women (there were drag queens as the MCs) the place seemed like any other bar.  Gay did not have a look.  The guys in the bar looked just like guys you would see anywhere. 

I was nervous, and I went on stage, and loved it.  The attention was great.  It was quite a boost to the ego to have men hitting on me, even though I was not sexually interested in them.  I did great.  Very quickly I was the number 1 dancer.  I decided when I was going to work, and I decided when to leave.  The other dancers hated me because they felt I was making their money.  I felt a lot more confident in front of the guys because I did not care.  With the women I just felt insecure.  I could put a great show on, but my sexual interest in the women made it difficult to "hustle" them.

That bar closed and I went to another bar where more hustling was involved.  I would not have been able to work the next place in the beginning, but it is amazing how quickly lines are crossed, and what was not ok one day became ok the next. 
I was making great money for my age I thought, and I decided to move to another state because I could.  I could do what I did anywhere. 

I traveled south, and where I ended up things are much different, and not as conservative as they were up north.  I quickly found out that if I wanted to earn as much $$$ as I was before I was going to have to do more.  I knew about fetish, and I knew about the gay rage (magazines) and I put an ad in the back. There are plenty of hustlers advertising in these mags, and I was not willing to do the sucking and fucking with guys.  I placed a fetish ad.  I got lots of calls.  I made lots of $$$.  I had low self esteem, and I spent the $$$ as fast as I made it.  I got back into drugs.  I started doing steroids.  I felt like total shit.  I hated myself.  I felt lower than dirt.  I got more into the life.  I did some solo shots for a couple mags, and even a solo video. 

I was barely making ends meet, and I hated what I was doing.  I did not even stop to think how the hell did I end up into this life.  I overdosed on GHB multiple times and I was parting at work (still dancing too).  I witnessed some of the more severe stuff that others got into as well.  People dying because of their lifestyle. 

Somehow I managed to get myself out of the life.  It has not been easy.  I was into that life for 7 years and I learned it was all because of my state of mind.  I became ill because of the way I was thinking, the drugs, and the steroids.  It has taken a while to pull myself out of what I was into, and I am thankful I did not die during that type of life.  Seeing this thread it took me there.

I no longer do drugs, or even drink.  I do not obsessively work out.  I have not done steroids in six years, and I will not do them again.  I also realize my state of mind got me into that type of lifestyle.  I just work on letting go and accepting others without judgment.  It seems as though my life is a lot better now than before.  I understand how people cross over invisible lines and end up in situations they may not have wanted to get into, or even imagined.  It is easy to do.  It takes determination, and a look inside to get out, and few are able to really do it when in that state of mind.

That's a rare introspective post, the type we rarely see on GetBig.com

Props for sharing that, man.

I'm glad you've found time to look back and see just how close you were to the brink.......makes it worth all the pain to know that you survived and know it's just a memory.....a lesson.






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« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2005, 01:41:57 PM »

Posterchild, thanks for sharing your story. I don’t think many fans of body building realize how common this is.  No one would look at Scott Klein or Cameron/Androkid and imagine the downward spiral they were on, yet many body builders are, in fact, on a downward spiral. 

I’ve said it before but it’s worth repeating: The number of young men who devote themselves to body building with no marketable skills, training, or education is an accident waiting to happen. 

By your own admission you barely made it out.  I’m glad that you did, but looking back on it, is there anything someone could have said to you that would have prompted you to get out faster or to prevent you from going down this path at all?  Did any of your friends know what you were up to?  Aside from other dancers, whom did you confide in?

From what I have observed, only the Johns and the escorts know about this dynamic and in their mutual dependence (for money and muscle) neither has an interest in seeing this come to an end.

The internet has made this situation worse by enabling escorts and Johns to easily find each other.  Indeed, entire websites are now devoted Johns writing reviews of their sessions with particular escorts so everyone can read all about it before decided which one to hire next.
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« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2005, 02:42:23 PM »

Hello Divison and thank you for your kind words. 

BayGBM,

I think when you look at the pictures of the guys who lost their life to their lifestyle you can see the pain they are in just by looking at the pictures.  At least I can. 

Throughout my ordeal I chose not to have friends.  The people I did confide in were mostly much older than myself, and were not clients.  When I was dancing, I made it a point to stay away from the other dancers.  The blind do not do a really good job leading the blind.

I had many opportunities to be kept by very wealthy men, and I declined all the opportunities.  I decided to have a girlfriend whom I knew would not stand for the lifestyle I was into and that is one way I pulled myself out.  She did not do it, but I knew this girl would not stand for it, and it was a deal I was making with myself. 

I was a personal trainer throughout, and that helped.  Getting deeply into spirituality  - non religious spirituality - going into my own mind and letting go is what has helped. 

There was really nothing anyone could have said, or done to help me make decisions about that type of life - although I did make one friend who helped a lot by the way he lived, and the decisions he made, and the advice he had to offer. 

I agree that a lot of "bodybuilders" do get themselves into situations they did not imagine happening.  Between "clients" and hustling there is definitely a co-dependency.  Both are just as miserable, and both play the game.  I think the only way out is to just stop playing the game, and realize nobody is happy in that game.

Finding a career lagged for a while, and I went through some real shit to finish with the lifestyle for good.  I do have skills, and I was choosing not to use them.  In fact, I believe all the hustlers have skills, it is just a matter of where they choose to apply them.
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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2005, 02:51:25 PM »

Hello Divison and thank you for your kind words. 

BayGBM,

I think when you look at the pictures of the guys who lost their life to their lifestyle you can see the pain they are in just by looking at the pictures.  At least I can. 


I have often thought the same thing, especially in that green pic of Mike Betts looking into the camera.  You can almost see the hopelessness in his eyes Sad   Such a shame.  He was a fine looking man.

Once again, I’m glad you made it out of that black hole.


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« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2005, 02:58:02 PM »

Via email someone just reminded me of the bizarre epilogues to Androkid’s death. 

1) On the muscle/escort board, shortly after his death was announced--but the cause of death not revealed--someone on the board used the Internet to check the local papers and found his obituary notice and posted it on-line for all the Johns to see.  Notice of the wake and funeral service was also in the notice.

One of the Johns indicated he was going to send flowers to the family at the funeral home and a huge, and I mean HUGE!, debate erupted among the Johns and all the escorts about the propriety of Johns doing this.  Many of the escorts were upset at the thought of this because it could lead to the family finding out what their beloved son was doing and where his money was coming from.  Apparently, many of the escorts felt threatened by this proposal.

A few of the Johns were under the delusion that they were really “friends” with this kid and wanted to do something for him and felt is was their right to send flowers.  I never knew how that debate ended or if the flowers/condolences were ever sent but it was certainly amusing to watch the debate . . .
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