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« Reply #250 on: November 23, 2007, 09:20:13 AM »

When he was "working" he was 6'1", 250 lbs.


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« Reply #251 on: March 28, 2008, 04:39:24 PM »

I know, like me, some of you were surprised at the price tag attached to Elliot Spitzer’s prostitute escort.  I never knew anyone who spent that kind of money on a trick.  Are there any male escorts that charge as much as $4000-$5000 per session?  The most I have heard of was $2000 for an overnight. 

What is the most expensive muscle escort you have heard of (rumor, gossip, experienced)?  Feel free to send me a PM if you don’t want to post publicly.  Cheesy
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« Reply #252 on: April 25, 2008, 07:44:20 AM »

I just join GetBig, and I came across this thread. I have hired muscle escorts a few times , and yes I enjoyed it. In fact two of the deceased escorts mentioned I have hired. One became a friend ( not close but a friend) and the other was a great person but vanished from site a few years ago. As a 'john" I realize I really have nothing to with a man's decision to escort or not escort, but I have become a part of the "hustle" ( I pay you- you give me sex) equation.

In my dealing with escorts some are wonderful ( at least with me) and some are just in it for the money. But for those I have gotten to know ( as much as they will let me know them) ALL have major emotional issues. All have some history of family, parental, substance, sexual. physical, mental, and/or emotional abuse. Let's be honest, nothing puts the fun in dysfunctional like family issues, and the VAST majority of us have some family issue we deal with on a daily basis.

The escorts that have 'boyfriends" never have them for long. Many have no idea how to relate to a person with true intimacy ( that's on ALL levels, either as a lover or just a friend). I know of one escort whose boyfriend pumped him full of steroids, HGH, and God only knows what else, the escort got sick nearly died, but the "boyfriend" dumped him for another younger escort, and the cycle is starting all over again. Another ( so called Gay4Pay) has girlfriends on both coasts and johns that pay for the girlfriends. This guy ( once popular with the johns) ain't as young as he once was- and now his prices are dropping and his girlfriends are leaving.

I stopped hiring escorts a few years ago, I wanted more than a blow job and "you're money is on the table" life. I haven't gotten it but it will come. I guess I wrote this to get it off of my chest, and I hope all the johns out there take a good look at their lives,  however lonely you are, nothing compares to the loneliness of the escort. We do not have to explain ourselves to anyone, but every escort has to lie to his family, lie to friends, and lie to himself. And there has to come a day when every escort looks in the mirror and realizes he can't do it anymore..now what?
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« Reply #253 on: April 25, 2008, 06:43:52 PM »

Ouch!

Thanks for your sober and honest reflections.  You offer a lot of fodder for discussion but what jumps out at me the most is your comment that “every escort has to lie to his family, lie to friends, and lie to himself.”  This dynamic of lying to yourself seems to me the most destructive and it is something we can all identify with on some level.

I wonder, aside from your relationships with escorts did you become friends with any other johns?  Do johns only communicate virtually or is there a live community?

Men are notorious for separating sex from intimacy.  I can see the need/benefit of an escorting doing this, but do you think your own future prospects have been in any way compromised from this history of separating sex from intimacy?

Do you know of escorts whom have left the business and moved on to good fortune?

Thanks again for sharing your story.

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« Reply #254 on: April 26, 2008, 06:46:18 AM »

I don't think johns even know each other, but I've seen "boyfriends" of escorts who in reality are nothing but johns for an extended period of time.  I have to say my experience with escorts may have made me more accepting of MY gay sexuality. But when I stopped seeing escorts I realized I would rather be a gay man alone than a lonely gay man..and that's what MANY escorts and johns are, lonely gay men.

Once I had a series of encounters with a HOT escort, every time he left I felt a sense of relief and a said to myself "Thank God, he's gone!" Then within a few days I'd call him back for another round ( I believe that is the definition of insanity)..Thank God he was in town for only a brief time. Despite his good looks and muscled torso he was one fucked upped dude...he's still around trying to make it as an actor in LA   ( on his looks alone, not on talent or training) but escorts on the side to "make ends meet"...PLEEZE!!

Lonely people (especially johns) do their best to separate sex and intimacy. Loneliness is like a cancer, it feeds on all the healthy parts of your soul, until only loneliness remains. People with healthy self esteem can't separate sex and intimacy, healthy people can't separate loving people ( in all of loves forms) from their lives.

I had a series of deaths a few years ago of family and friends, and as trite as it may sound I learned a great lesson, these people are gone but I STILL love them. Johns and escorts go from one person to next..it's a cash deal and relationships aren't made of money. Those family and friends of mine who are gone are far more precious to me than any muscle escort's biceps, pecs, or big dick!

I know of ONE escort ( who is still trying to leave the biz) who is making a fair amount of money, but his business is tied to the economy, with this downturn life is getting a bit dicey. I've seen escorts attempt to work in the corporate world, non I know have made it. Imagine trying to get a job with a resume with gaps of years as an escort ( Mr. Smith, what did you do between 1995-2005..your resume is a bit incomplete..?),,as I have stated johns don't have that issue, escorts do!

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« Reply #255 on: April 26, 2008, 04:22:50 PM »

Sorry but I'm REALLY thinking about this subject-

I revisited the movie "The Fluffer" today. It was one of those movies that changed my attitude about escorts. pornstars, johns etc...The Fluffer is not a great movie but it is disturbing movie to watch. Briefly it is about a Gay4Pay porn actor (Johnny Rebel) a young gay naive film student (Sean) and the tragic relationship between the two. Johnny Rebel is a total narcissist, he lives for adulation, total egoist, unable to see the destruction he causes to himself and others.Sean is Johnny's fluffer. He wants Johnny to be a part of his life in the most desperate of ways. It's a downer of an ending ..be warned.

So many escorts believe their own press ( hottest man in town,  10X7, and the best you'll ever have etc...) and johns WANT to believe they had hottest, biggest, and best, it's a recipe made for any psychologist to analyze. I'm NOT a psychologist but friends of mine who are say narcisisism (escorts)is almost impossible to cure and low self esteem (johns) is a constant struggle.

ESCORTS- I'm your "perfect" man- my clients "adore me"- I'm the "best thing" in their lives...
JOHNS- It's the "only" way for me to feel whole- he so "good" to me- he's my "friend"........

So as I add to this thread I just want to say to potential escorts and johns, Please think before you act on ANY impulse. Just because it feels good now, doesn't mean it's good for you later.









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« Reply #256 on: May 14, 2008, 07:01:58 AM »

calsf:

As a John how did you break away from escorting?  I imagine it is like other addictions people struggle with: smoking, drinking, sex, gambling.  If you have an affinity for romping with buff young men (and you can afford it) how do you finally give it up?  Was there a catalyst that made you walk away?

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« Reply #257 on: May 14, 2008, 08:36:42 PM »

I guess by seeing the "ridiculousness" of the whole scene. I sound like Dr. Phil but it just didn't work any more. One of my escorts ( who I now consider a friend) is a Daddy Muscle Bear type. I'll never forget how these pitiful gay men hung on his every word and action. One went so far as the "match: him movement for movement, word for word, like a small child imitating an adult. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Now my friend the escort ( he's still escorting, but he way too fuckin' old) battles illness, no family ( his family gave up on him) no friends ( they've gone on with their lives) and nothing to look forward to in life. It has all the makings of a Greek drama, escorting leads to a miserable life, thus spake the gods!

 How did I give this up, seeing his life unfold it wasn't difficult, escorts and johns are basically the same people, just different sides of the equation. I guess I realized I would rather jerk off and then have a great conversation with a friend, or spend the holidays with my family, or just live day to day, or go to a play or concert alone than live some lie about my great sex life. Loving people, living life ( no matter how boring) reading a book, letting your mind go crazy on the internet is so exciting now..Today I had a accidental encounter with a friend, we talked, we hugged, we laughed, make a date for drinks..a typical conversation with an escort is "How much?..Do you do in calls or out calls?.... How much will that be?...Which hotel?...I can't do it at that time..would tomorrow be better?....great conversation topics!

As for my friend the escort, he is so lonely. I was once that lonely, having ready made friends ( for the money) didn't cure my loneliness, it just dulled the pain for a bit! I'm having him over for dinner, no strings, I'm not going to gush over his body, just food, some iced tea, some laughs..but escorts don't laugh very much, they're caught up in themselves and don't have a clue how to live life.
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« Reply #258 on: May 14, 2008, 09:52:39 PM »

I guess by seeing the "ridiculousness" of the whole scene. I sound like Dr. Phil but it just didn't work any more. One of my escorts ( who I now consider a friend) is a Daddy Muscle Bear type. I'll never forget how these pitiful gay men hung on his every word and action. One went so far as the "match: him movement for movement, word for word, like a small child imitating an adult. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Now my friend the escort ( he's still escorting, but he way too fuckin' old) battles illness, no family ( his family gave up on him) no friends ( they've gone on with their lives) and nothing to look forward to in life. It has all the makings of a Greek drama, escorting leads to a miserable life, thus spake the gods!

 How did I give this up, seeing his life unfold it wasn't difficult, escorts and johns are basically the same people, just different sides of the equation. I guess I realized I would rather jerk off and then have a great conversation with a friend, or spend the holidays with my family, or just live day to day, or go to a play or concert alone than live some lie about my great sex life. Loving people, living life ( no matter how boring) reading a book, letting your mind go crazy on the internet is so exciting now..Today I had a accidental encounter with a friend, we talked, we hugged, we laughed, make a date for drinks..a typical conversation with an escort is "How much?..Do you do in calls or out calls?.... How much will that be?...Which hotel?...I can't do it at that time..would tomorrow be better?....great conversation topics!

As for my friend the escort, he is so lonely. I was once that lonely, having ready made friends ( for the money) didn't cure my loneliness, it just dulled the pain for a bit! I'm having him over for dinner, no strings, I'm not going to gush over his body, just food, some iced tea, some laughs..but escorts don't laugh very much, they're caught up in themselves and don't have a clue how to live life.

That is a very provocative observation and I dare say a true one.  It is also one most Johns would aggressively disagree with.  As I recall from the tenor of that escort board a great many johns look down on escorts even as they hire them again and again.  There is a clear indication in their dialogue that they think they are (morally) better than the men they are hiring, but I think you are exactly right: escorts and jons are essentially the same people.  Certainly, they are equally lonely.

I salute you for having the courage to take a hard look at yourself,  recognize the dead end escorting represents, and choosing another kind of life for yourself.   Smiley

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« Reply #259 on: May 15, 2008, 03:40:03 AM »

Please, I don't want to come across as some holy than thou, recovered from all his addictions person. I have a LOT of work to do. Johns "really" don't believe they are "better" than escorts, in fact some are just down right jealous of them. They want to be like escorts ( hell, what man wouldn't want to be paid for having sex!).

I think GayGBM that your reaction to the way johns treated the deaths of bodybuilder/escorts was one of shock and dismay. That these johns would go "mourn" the death of one escort, then call another that very night seemed cold and heartless. Yet these same johns wanted to send flowers to the escort's family..was that cruel?...was that heartless?..The john/escort cycle is so imbued with pain that NOBODY can make a wise choice, a good decision, or healthy change.

One of the dead escorts on the post, had been sick for months before his death. I called him just to see how he was, he was shocked that I cared. He said "Well I'm getting back some of my size and hope to be back soon!" What!!!! He thought I wanted to hire he again...WTF!!! He nearly died, I was trying to be a good person..I said " Just get well, you deserve to be well." Then I realized he only thought of me in one way..a client with money, therapy made me see that he was a person, beacause I finally believed I was a person. Then I said " I just want to see you happy and healthy." the silence on the other end was telling, suddenly I made him a person, he had to make me a person, it was too real, and too close- it was normal! He died a few months later. There was a memorial service, I didn't go. A mutual friend said it was a bizarre mix of clients, other escorts, gym friends, and former "boyfriends". No family, no life long friends, just a weird mix of people.

I don't mean to take up some much of the thread, but I hope if there is one bodybuilder out there thinking about escort work, please I beg you don't do it! So what if you have to settle for 18 inch arms, the price of huge guns, killer quads ain't worth it. Get a job, have a life, bodybuilding of a sport, but escorting is a way of life, you cannot use your life to support a dream, it has to be the other way around. 
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« Reply #260 on: May 15, 2008, 06:18:56 AM »

Please, I don't want to come across as some holy than thou, recovered from all his addictions person. I have a LOT of work to do. Johns "really" don't believe they are "better" than escorts, in fact some are just down right jealous of them. They want to be like escorts ( hell, what man wouldn't want to be paid for having sex!).

I think GayGBM that your reaction to the way johns treated the deaths of bodybuilder/escorts was one of shock and dismay. That these johns would go "mourn" the death of one escort, then call another that very night seemed cold and heartless. Yet these same johns wanted to send flowers to the escort's family..was that cruel?...was that heartless?..The john/escort cycle is so imbued with pain that NOBODY can make a wise choice, a good decision, or healthy change.

One of the dead escorts on the post, had been sick for months before his death. I called him just to see how he was, he was shocked that I cared. He said "Well I'm getting back some of my size and hope to be back soon!" What!!!! He thought I wanted to hire he again...WTF!!! He nearly died, I was trying to be a good person..I said " Just get well, you deserve to be well." Then I realized he only thought of me in one way..a client with money, therapy made me see that he was a person, beacause I finally believed I was a person. Then I said " I just want to see you happy and healthy." the silence on the other end was telling, suddenly I made him a person, he had to make me a person, it was too real, and too close- it was normal! He died a few months later. There was a memorial service, I didn't go. A mutual friend said it was a bizarre mix of clients, other escorts, gym friends, and former "boyfriends". No family, no life long friends, just a weird mix of people.

I don't mean to take up some much of the thread, but I hope if there is one bodybuilder out there thinking about escort work, please I beg you don't do it! So what if you have to settle for 18 inch arms, the price of huge guns, killer quads ain't worth it. Get a job, have a life, bodybuilding of a sport, but escorting is a way of life, you cannot use your life to support a dream, it has to be the other way around. 

Wow!  That sounds like fodder for a made for TV movie on the Logo network.

No need to apologize for taking up so much of the thread.  This IS a thread on muscle escorting and given your insights and experiences you are more qualified to post here than I am.  I welcome your perspective and hope others gain something from it.

May I ask how old you are?  I admit I have often wondered about the typical age of johns (or if there is one).  Given the amount of disposable income involved one is inclined to think johns are 40s and 50s (like Ted Haggard) but young people can have muscle appetites and disposable income too.
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« Reply #261 on: May 15, 2008, 03:08:51 PM »

I'm definitely in the middle age category ( enough said). Is there anyone out there who is an escort with a different point of view? I don't have all the answers, in fact I have questions for escorts, especially if you're no longer escorting, they are;

1) Why did you really begin escorting?
2) Did your family know?
3) Did you have any significant relationships while escorting?
4) Where would you draw the line-or- things you just wouldn't do?
5) What was your oddest client or oddest group of clients?
6) Do you miss it? or Why do you still do it?
7) How did escorting change your view of the world, life, people, etc..?

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« Reply #262 on: May 26, 2008, 11:26:48 AM »

also i've always wondered if carl/rusty would do alot of things for money if not some rich gay man had ever offered him money for a 1-night stand where carl/rusty didn't have to reciprocate but did have to let this said man do anything to carl/rusty? i wonder if carl/rusty was ever approached this way and i guess if so he turned them down? surely carl/rusty is an gay international icon and surely there are gay millionaires around the world who at least thought of wanting carl/rusty for 1 night?!

what if a millionaire offered him a million dollars for one night? would carl/rusty have/would give in? does everyone have a price even carl/rusty? your thoughts on this baygbm and carl photos would/will be greatly appreciated!

That’s a lot of wondering.   Smiley

We’ve talked about this previously in other threads...  Imagine yourself as the “rich gay man.”  Are you going to spend your time and money chasing after some fantasy that is not available or have your way with the many muscle whores who are available?

Similarly, not everyone is interested in hiring (muscle) whores.  As calsf pointed out, hiring escorts is really something only lonely people do.  Johns and escorts are two sides of the same coin and not everyone wants to trade in that kind of currency. Some would say that we all have our price; others argue that not everything is for sale.

In any event, you would not be a very (financially) smart millionaire if you were willing to overpay for a fantasy piece of ass when you could have ass that is just as good many many times for a whole lot less.  Undecided

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« Reply #263 on: June 14, 2008, 08:31:47 AM »

That Muscle Logbook forum is a real trip. Like you BayBGM, I used to visit there, but there were so many parasitic, vulturistic types there, who really have this strange love-hate relationship with bodybuilding: they want to admire and sexually devour the athletes, but they envy them for their looks or despise them if they cannot have their way with them (or strangely enough, despise them once they have been exposed to them for too long). It's like sexual vampire-dom over there. And most of these guys haven't seen the inside of a gym since 6th grade PE class!

Don't we refer to these kinds of voyeuristic, hangers-on guys in the bodybuilding world as "schmoes"?

There's this one guy -- a retired senior citizen -- who has gushingly admitted to hiring one muscle escort (Zeb Atlas) for 35 overnight sessions. The guy charges $500 an hour and over $2000 a night. So one poster concluded that this John has paid about $70,000 to this one guy. I simply do not see how this kind of behavior is to be applauded. But over at that board, this guy is the king of the hill. 

As they say, "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
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« Reply #264 on: June 14, 2008, 04:15:40 PM »

35 overnight sessions?  At $2000 a pop?  Sigh.  Where do I begin…? Huh 

I suppose if one has money to burn, the cost is immaterial, but how sad it is to think that buying company is the most gratifying way for one to find sexual fulfillment.  As a one shot deal I could almost understand it; everyone has a fantasy they would like to realize.  But I find it hard to believe that someone who hires escorts over and over and over is emotionally grounded enough to have and maintain a healthy relationship with another person.  From where I'm sitting it seems like a terribly lonely life.  That kind of lifestyle is so far removed from my own values it’s hard for me to truly “get it” but who am I to judge?  It’s his life… I wish the John well and hope he is happy.  Still, one can't help but wonder if this is what he imagined for himself ten or twenty years ago.  On the other hand, if I were old, rich, and obsessed with a muscleboi I might be doing the same thing.  Undecided

And Zeb!  What’s going on in his (or any escort’s) mind during these sessions?  How can he climb into bed with a 60+ year old stranger and even pretend to want to be there?  I’d be recoiling in horror.

I hope he is saving his pennies.



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« Reply #265 on: June 14, 2008, 06:32:27 PM »

35 overnight sessions?  At $2000 a pop?  Sigh.  Where do I begin…? Huh 

I suppose if one has money to burn, the cost is immaterial, but how sad it is to think that buying company is the most gratifying way for one to find sexual fulfillment.  As a one shot deal I could almost understand it; everyone has a fantasy they would like to realize.  But I find it hard to believe that someone who hires escorts over and over and over is emotionally grounded enough to have and maintain a healthy relationship with another person.  From where I'm sitting it seems like a terribly lonely life.  That kind of lifestyle is so far removed from my own values it’s hard for me to truly “get it” but who am I to judge?  It’s his life… I wish the John well and hope he is happy.  Still, one can't help but wonder if this is what he imagined for himself ten or twenty years ago.  On the other hand, if I were old, rich, and obsessed with a muscleboi I might be doing the same thing.  Undecided

And Zeb!  What’s going on in his (or any escort’s) mind during these sessions?  How can he climb into bed with a 60+ year old stranger and even pretend to want to be there?  I’d be recoiling in horror.

I hope he is saving his pennies.



Yeah, I think the same thing as you. This Zeb Atlas is probably thinking, "Easy money, like taking candy from a baby", when you're sleeping with some 77 year old schlub. But time and time again, these escorts end up having a problem with recreational drug use. What's tragically funny and sad is that the Johns at that board always use that as some kind of insult against the escorts without looking at the obvious reason behind it: they would have to use mind-altering substances in order to have sex with people they are probably physically repulsed by every day.

Interesting you posted a photo of Zeb Atlas with Jake Cruise. There is a huge conversation going on at the MSS right now about how shocking it is that Zeb chose to make his first gay sex scene on camera with someone like Jake (old, not in-shape, not too handsome) instead of a built, younger guy, and what this all will mean to the future of his porn career and escorting business. The majority of the posters were not happy that Zeb had sex on film with an "old troll", but a smaller minority defended it, saying it looks just like the kind of work he does in escorting. The response to that is that porn is supposed to be about fantasy, not reality, and that the image of Zeb getting sucked off (with no reciprocation) by an older, out-of-shape man who does not even remove his clothes during the entire process is just a little too close to home for most of those posters. Also, calling Jake "unattractive", "old" and a "troll" was very painful for many of the posters there, because frankly, he still probably looks a lot better than they do (as said upthread, most of those people have not seen the inside of a gym since the 6th grade). So, naturally, they got defensive.

Then, it was recently revealed that Zeb is doing a few scenes with gay porn star Matthew Rush, a biracial bodybuilder whose real name is Greg Grove, and there will be mutual oral, and Zeb fucking Matt. And still many posters were upset about THAT! Talk about vampirism. That board is ripe for a good case study in a Psych class.

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« Reply #266 on: June 16, 2008, 08:44:14 AM »

Here's a review for jackdmuscle......

I just saw Mike in Miami. He looked fantastic, huge, ripped to shreds. He actually looked like Paco Batista - his qauds are insane, massive hanging hamstrings, diamond calves. Upper body was fantastic, ripped abs, serratus, etc. He made me kneel worship and serve him. We both had a great time. I was in musclpig heaven again. Don't miss him - ! those legs and massive glutes, each glute was bigger than my head and I have a big head -servicing that muscle ass was unbelievable.




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« Reply #267 on: June 16, 2008, 09:19:57 AM »

hahah oh god


ha ha ha ha

Remember, this forum is for sexual "discussion and information that may be more than one can handle."  It's not for the faint of heart.  ha ha ha ha  Grin
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« Reply #268 on: June 16, 2008, 10:14:30 AM »

Interesting you posted a photo of Zeb Atlas with Jake Cruise. There is a huge conversation going on at the MSS right now about how shocking it is that Zeb chose to make his first gay sex scene on camera with someone like Jake (old, not in-shape, not too handsome) instead of a built, younger guy, and what this all will mean to the future of his porn career and escorting business. The majority of the posters were not happy that Zeb had sex on film with an "old troll", but a smaller minority defended it, saying it looks just like the kind of work he does in escorting. The response to that is that porn is supposed to be about fantasy, not reality, and that the image of Zeb getting sucked off (with no reciprocation) by an older, out-of-shape man who does not even remove his clothes during the entire process is just a little too close to home for most of those posters. Also, calling Jake "unattractive", "old" and a "troll" was very painful for many of the posters there, because frankly, he still probably looks a lot better than they do (as said upthread, most of those people have not seen the inside of a gym since the 6th grade). So, naturally, they got defensive.

Ouch!  I can only imagine all the wounded egos this has generated. 

I bet some of those johns will never look at Jake the same way again.  ha ha ha ha


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« Reply #269 on: June 17, 2008, 08:34:33 PM »

Eddie is now available in NYC!  Bah!


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« Reply #270 on: June 17, 2008, 09:01:08 PM »

 my god this is pathetic!!

As an ex john I'm so glad I'm an ex john!!
What's up with Zeb Atlas is amazing, I aways thought he would NEVER do hard core porn..money can talk I guess. The sad thing is there are MANY middle aged gay couples fucking each others brains out and having great lives. This need for "youth" with some gay men ( and some straight men) is so sad, as I stated in previous posts..stay away from escorting, and hiring escorts..it's a recipe for loneliness.
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« Reply #271 on: June 17, 2008, 09:55:05 PM »

Let me play devil’s advocate for a moment.

You may want one, or I may want one, but not everyone wants to be in a relationship.  Not everyone has the temperament or skills to sustain one and some people recognize that about themselves.  Some people prefer to be alone.  But they may still have sexual appetites. 

Some people like to go to bars, sex clubs, etc. and meet guys for hook ups, but some guys are not into that.  If you are a guy in your 30s, 40s, 50s, or 60s, you have the money to burn, and have a muscle fetish why is it so wrong to hire a muscle escort once a week, once a month or once or twice a year?

Have you ever been to a party or social event where everyone was beautiful--except you?  Handsome faces, heavily muscled bodies, beautiful hair, teeth etc?  I have.  There is a lot of pressure in gay life to look good, but the truth is some people will never look good.  If you have a physical disability or some other problematic feature you can easily be shut out of the sexual marketplace.  What are these people supposed to do?  They do not want to date or have sex with each other.  They lust after beautiful people too… and if occasionally hiring an escort is their only outlet is that so wrong?

Those of us who have healthy social lives and alternatives to hiring escorts should be grateful for what we have and not judge our escort hiring friends too harshly… after all “there but for the grace of god go I.”  Embarrassed
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« Reply #272 on: June 17, 2008, 09:56:58 PM »

my god this is pathetic!!

As an ex john I'm so glad I'm an ex john!!
What's up with Zeb Atlas is amazing, I aways thought he would NEVER do hard core porn..money can talk I guess. The sad thing is there are MANY middle aged gay couples fucking each others brains out and having great lives. This need for "youth" with some gay men ( and some straight men) is so sad, as I stated in previous posts..stay away from escorting, and hiring escorts..it's a recipe for loneliness.

May I ask why you thought Zeb Atlas would never do hard core porn?
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« Reply #273 on: June 18, 2008, 06:04:21 AM »

Eddie is now available in NYC!  Bah!
 

Available for what exactly?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #274 on: June 18, 2008, 06:44:17 AM »

If you have a physical disability or some other problematic feature you can easily be shut out of the sexual marketplace.  What are these people supposed to do?  They do not want to date or have sex with each other.  They lust after beautiful people too… and if occasionally hiring an escort is their only outlet is that so wrong?

And why the hell can't they date each other? Fat people, old people, ugly people, disabled people -- straight AND gay -- marry and fuck each other every day in this world, and as often as the day is long. The idea that some dried-up old prune or some obese turd is only attracted to and can only fall in love with or get his rocks off by the sight of some young bodybuilder... well, there's some serious twisted psychological damage there. I can understand hiring someone for the occasional annual fantasy or bithday present -- but there's that twisted, sad 77 year old guy on that site who gushes about hiring one guy 35 times. And he is revered over there, like he is someone to be admired. There's also another regular poster there (with "rent" in his screen name) who brags about hiring almost every muscle escort publicly known to man, as if he owns some kind of collection of rare trading cards or something. True, money might not be an issue for those people, but what's the emotional trade-off?
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