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« Reply #150 on: January 08, 2006, 02:22:36 PM »

GayBay,

Aren't there any successful cases of former escorts changing their ways and finding a way to make it out the game?

or is that just Blasphemy?

I suppose there are escorts who come away with their lives and health intact, but they disappear into anonymity.  Few people who go on to prosperity advertise the fact that they used to be escorts.  Once in a while former clients will step forward to say that years ago they hired “so and so” but how often does that happen?  If the guy does not become famous (Arnold) former clients are unlikely to ever see him again.

One person I can think of is Bob Paris.  He used to advertise in the classified section of Advocate (a gay magazine) back in the days before internet took over for connecting escorts and clients.  This claim would be difficult to prove, but I’m sure someone somewhere is hoarding old issues of that magazine in his basement or attic.  If one knew what to look for and had the resources it could be proven.
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« Reply #151 on: January 08, 2006, 02:48:59 PM »

thats the sad truth. you only ever hear about the negative(i.e death, OD, failure)
you almost never hear the stories of the ones who got out.
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« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2006, 07:50:46 PM »

thats the sad truth. you only ever hear about the negative(i.e death, OD, failure)
you almost never hear the stories of the ones who got out.

Exactly.

You'd have to think there were some sad souls who escaped the game before it ate them alive.





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« Reply #153 on: March 10, 2006, 08:43:04 AM »

Word on the street is that another one has bitten the dust.   Cry
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« Reply #154 on: March 10, 2006, 09:14:05 AM »

Word on the street is that another one has bitten the dust.   Cry


Word on the street is that you are juiced and white!

Word up, y0!





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« Reply #155 on: March 10, 2006, 09:07:09 PM »

This shit has been happening forever.  Chris Dickerson.....Mr. Olympia was into this, in the 70's.  My friend who was Teen Mr America and Jr Mr USA used to have old rich dudes waiting outside Golds to proposition them all the time.  1000 is alot when you need to eat and they would just throw the drugs in.  He used to tell me how John Brown and friends would sit in the locker room before they would workout and do lines to get fired up.......I think thats when they brought Shawn Ray up as a little buddy....lol.  Not saying Shawn was involved but I bet he knows what I mean.....lol.  People everywhere selling themselves one way or another.  I think alot reading this section are looking for a way to get into the action...lol.  Its sick to me but its the truth.  Let me get back to the ladies....fast. 
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« Reply #156 on: March 11, 2006, 05:59:33 AM »

I suppose there are escorts who come away with their lives and health intact, but they disappear into anonymity.  Few people who go on to prosperity advertise the fact that they used to be escorts.  Once in a while former clients will step forward to say that years ago they hired “so and so” but how often does that happen?  If the guy does not become famous (Arnold) former clients are unlikely to ever see him again.

One person I can think of is Bob Paris.  He used to advertise in the classified section of Advocate (a gay magazine) back in the days before internet took over for connecting escorts and clients.  This claim would be difficult to prove, but I’m sure someone somewhere is hoarding old issues of that magazine in his basement or attic.  If one knew what to look for and had the resources it could be proven.


Bob Paris?Huh Embarrassed

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« Reply #157 on: March 11, 2006, 08:23:28 AM »

This shit has been happening forever . . .  I think alot reading this section are looking for a way to get into the action...lol.  Its sick to me but its the truth.  Let me get back to the ladies....fast. 
Kt

I can confirm that.  When this thread was in its hey day, I got several private messages from posters here asking for the link to that gaymuscle/escort site.  Some said they were “just curious” while others admitted they wanted to give it a try.  Don’t worry, your secrets are safe; I’ll never name names.

I just jumped over to that board and noticed the following in one of the threads.

"What do escorts expect us to report about ourselves when making an appointment?" It's always been safe to assume they want to know what the client is into. How about a client's description of himself?

Should a client feel required to tell, or should an escort expect to be told:
a client is over age 70? a client is physically challenged, in a wheelchair? missing a limb? hearing impaired? of middle-eastern descent, given the current political climate in USA? extra tall or extra short? near 400 lbs? suffering from a non-contagious but very unsightly skin condition? etc. etc.


I may be a snob because I only connect with hot men, but as the thread I just read suggests, if you’re an escort you really are expected to hook up with all kinds of unattractive people.  Ew!  I could never do that for any amount of money.  I knew a muscle dude in California who tried escorting briefly and quit for just that reason.  He thought it would be easy money, but all his clients were repulsive and he just couldn't stomach it Tongue
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« Reply #158 on: April 01, 2006, 10:36:05 AM »

He can be all yours (by the hour) if the price is right.  I hear this guy is often booked solid.  He must be pulling in some dough  Undecided

Very nice quads, I must say. Smiley


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« Reply #159 on: April 01, 2006, 11:42:03 AM »

Bay do you anything about the big party after the NOC each year.  I heard this a major moeny maker for allot of the BB's
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« Reply #160 on: April 01, 2006, 12:03:53 PM »

I don’t know nothin’ about nothin’; that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.  But if you care to connect the dots on your own, that is your affair . . .

dot #1 lots of in shape bodybuilders will be there, on stage and in the audience.
dot #2 lots of their “appreciative” fans/admirers will be there, gay, straight, and very bicurious.
dot #3 people will do almost anything for money and ego.
dot #4 what % of BB fans have wanted to touch, knead, caress, grope or be manhandled by the huge muscles they look at from a distance?  I would say 99.9999%!  Anyone who pays to go to a BB show or buys those videos & magazines and claims they have no interest in touching or being touched by the muscle is in serious denial. 
dot #5 if you do something behind closed doors and no one knows about it, did it really happen?
dot #6 most competitors walk away from the contest stage with no prize winnings to show for it.

Need I go on?  Wink
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« Reply #161 on: April 07, 2006, 04:28:07 PM »

For as long as there has been people that are gay, there has been many BB that are gay..

 Some of the top BB are BI.... Kiss

 So what !
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« Reply #162 on: April 07, 2006, 06:35:22 PM »

This shit has been happening forever.  Chris Dickerson.....Mr. Olympia was into this, in the 70's.  My friend who was Teen Mr America and Jr Mr USA used to have old rich dudes waiting outside Golds to proposition them all the time.  1000 is alot when you need to eat and they would just throw the drugs in.  He used to tell me how John Brown and friends would sit in the locker room before they would workout and do lines to get fired up.......I think thats when they brought Shawn Ray up as a little buddy....lol.  Not saying Shawn was involved but I bet he knows what I mean.....lol.  People everywhere selling themselves one way or another.  I think alot reading this section are looking for a way to get into the action...lol.  Its sick to me but its the truth.  Let me get back to the ladies....fast. 
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If you mean your friend won the overall at both the Teen America and at the Jr. Mr. USA, then you have probably just identified him...that list is very short.
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« Reply #163 on: April 16, 2006, 07:35:13 AM »

10,000+ views!  And only ~170 posts? Who knew muscle escorting would be so popular?  Grin  Where are my critics who keep insisting that bodybuilding is a heterosexual pastime?  Is anyone here prepared to disagree with this statement?


dot #4 what % of BB fans have wanted to touch, knead, caress, grope or be manhandled by the huge muscles they look at from a distance?  I would say 99.9999%!  Anyone who pays to go to a BB show or buys those videos & magazines and claims they have no interest in touching or being touched by the muscle is in serious denial. 
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« Reply #164 on: April 18, 2006, 05:36:46 AM »

LOL . . . I thought not.  Cheesy


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« Reply #165 on: April 18, 2006, 02:39:59 PM »

For two bucks, he'll let you a cop a feel.  DA may want to lighten up on the juice... that roid gut is getting pretty bulbous!  Shocked


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« Reply #166 on: April 19, 2006, 11:48:28 AM »

Gay men in Gyms with good physiques are everywhere.  Its not like the 80' anymore when they were all scrawny mostly.  A large amount of go go boys are gay for pay I think they just say that because they dont want to accept the fact that they are gay.
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« Reply #167 on: April 19, 2006, 11:56:46 AM »

Gay men in Gyms with good physiques are everywhere.  Its not like the 80' anymore when they were all scrawny mostly.  A large amount of go go boys are gay for pay I think they just say that because they dont want to accept the fact that they are gay.

Bingo.

I’m gay and I would not have straight sex for pay.  No modest amount of money (say less than $5000) would prompt a straight man to suck another man’s dick (or more)! 

If a guy is willing to do that sort of thing for $300 (the cost of a typical session) he is gay or bisexual.  Period.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

The muscle Guido who sucks my dick would kill anyone who called him gay--including me!  Well, maybe not meWink

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« Reply #168 on: April 22, 2006, 08:01:03 PM »

Bingo.

I’m gay and I would not have straight sex for pay.  No modest amount of money (say less than $5000) would prompt a straight man to suck another man’s dick (or more)! 

If a guy is willing to do that sort of thing for $300 (the cost of a typical session) he is gay or bisexual.  Period.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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  The Japanese used to practice manly love. That didn't make them gay.
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« Reply #169 on: April 23, 2006, 05:06:47 AM »

  The Japanese used to practice manly love. That didn't make them gay.

As opposed to Americans?


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« Reply #170 on: April 23, 2006, 11:01:28 AM »

As opposed to Americans?

  I think the Japanese manly love was a little bit different Grin They liked younger men/older boys. I don't get why Huh
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« Reply #171 on: April 28, 2006, 02:12:49 PM »

Trust me if a guy is having full blown sex with a guy your more than likely gay but just dont want to admit it to yourself.  There is a difference if your stripping at say a gay club or something and guys are touching but to have sex with a guy??
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« Reply #172 on: April 29, 2006, 05:54:16 AM »

I'm gay, French-Canadian, Catholic, in my fifties. I am a successful professional and I find my body acceptable. I have a satisfying sex life. But I sometimes like to say that if it wasn't for straight guys, I wouldn't have a sex life at all... It's an exaggeration, of course, but I tend to run into lots of straight guys who appreciate a change in their sexual routine. And believe me when I say: it doesn't change who they are. They do it for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that there is a "normal", inescapable homosexual component in every straight man's libido that needs to be fulfilled once in a while, no matter what the means is. Some do it by glorifying athletes. Some do it by bonding with their close friends. Some do it by sucking up to their boss. Some do it by drinking themselves into a stupor once in a while. Some do it by meeting up with me. To some men, the realization of this "fact of life" comes naturally. To some men, it causes a problem. The funny thing is even I can never tell which category a straight man I happen to be attracted to will fall into, except that the farther away one is, culturally, from WASP traditions, the easier the encounter becomes. But I still do my pitch every time I have the chance Grin.

I'm pretty much out of the gay scene. And, in general, I admit I have more fun with straight guys than gay guys. They have less mental stress, they usually have a wife who cares about their appearance, they don't play seduction games, they have a serious outlook on life while being easygoing, they don't want a disease or a relationship, they usually know what they want and go for it, they are spontaneous, they are always horny, they are considerate, they are discreet and they call when they can't make a date, which gay people have tendency not to do anymore. And, of course, they have a charming disposition and the body of a god, which they like to see appreciated for a change.

Having said this, for a special extra treat, nothing compares, for me, with an occasional gay-for-pay encounter with a straight bodybuilder. The ones I have met I have mostly befriended at dancing bars. I always go for the straight ones, who might sometimes call themselves "bi" - so as not to scare you. I have always found encounters with gays in that context disappointing. Straight guys are usually more confident in a "muscle worship" situation.

As far as drugs and lifestyle are concerned, I have had only one of them (a rather locally well-known amateur football player who is serious about bodybuilding) offer to share BGH (bovine growth hormone - the date rape drug, actually) with me as a relaxant during an encounter. I have dealt once with a former Mr. Canada - wonderful guy in every respect - who admitted doing stretches on steroids as part of his competitive schedule. (That guy has a wife, had a discreet, older sugar daddy in Las Vegas and has just retired and opened his own gym in a suburb of Toronto.) Another one usually shares a joint. I consider that rather tame compared to the crystal meth predominant in the gay party scene (from what I hear). My most regular encounter is with a ex-Romanian army officer, an immigrant in his late thirties with the natural body of a Roman general's statue. He gave up dancing and is a successful personal trainer and karate instructor at a high-end gym in the city. He is also very popular with the ladies. I guess he still meets up with me occasionally to make ends meet or perhaps even because we genuinely respect each other. (I can hear snickers here.) I seriously doubt that he sees anybody else in that fashion. I consider him a nice guy and I like to see him making progress in his new life here in Canada. I seriously mean it when I say he can call on me anytime with any problem or question. I was genuinely touched the day he asked me for a service that didn't involve sexual gratification.

I guess I'm posting this to tell you that the escort scene doesn't have to be the hell-on-earth spiral of degradation you are imagining. I have met up with genuine "stars" in the field who act as if they're giving you a papal audience and they have a press agent waiting for them in their double-parked limousine. Those guys usually have their own website, a line of muscle worship videos, big-time drug problems, a terminally frizzy outlook on life, low self-esteem and a short lifespan. They're also lousy lays. I can now recognize them for what they are and avoid them.
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« Reply #173 on: April 29, 2006, 10:32:13 AM »

Some of what you say is unarguable.  I agree that most men have a homosexual impulse and that has to be fulfilled at least once in a while and different men address that impulse in different ways from homo sex, to glorifying athletes (body building? wrestling?), to drinking/drugs, to joining the priesthood.  I also agree that some men address this impulse naturally while for others it becomes a lifelong problem (and every range in between). 

I agree, too, that the farther away one is, culturally, from WASP traditions, the easier man to man encounters become.

I disagree however, with a number of other things you say.  For example, you mention being “out of the gay scene.”  If I hear that phrase one more time, I’ll barf.  A lot of men (who connect with other men) seem to take a measure of pride in asserting that they are not part of “the gay scene.”

• they go to glory holes for anonymous sex but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they hire male escorts but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they advertise on gay web sites and even say in their on-line profiles that they are not into the gay scene.
• they go to gay bars ‘once in a while’ but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• some spend lots of time and money on body building (attending shows, buying magazine DVDs, etc.) but they are not part of the scene.
• they go to sex shops and buy all matter of toys and paraphernalia but claim they are not part of the gay scene
• I could give a number of other examples...

Here’s a news flash: anyone who does any of the above is part of the gay scene.  The “gay scene” such as it is, is wide and varied; it’s not just about marching in gay pride parades...

I believe in live and let live, but I am not a fan of pay4sex encounters.  If you read the posts from Johns on muscle escort sites (and I have) you will see that a lot of the Johns who participate in these encounters have convinced themselves that they have some sort of real friendship/relationship with the prostitute (that the prostitute doesn’t have with anyone else).  They think they have a “special” friendship, a “unique” understanding, that they “respect” each other, in addition to be John/escort they are also “friends” etc. etc.  One sees this kind of talk over and over again.

The (usually 40s, 50s, & 60s+) Johns who think this need to ask themselves two questions: 1) would I have met this person if I hadn’t put money on the table? and 2) would this heavily muscled young man be spending time with me and taking his clothes off if I wasn’t opening my wallet?  In virtually all cases the answer is no.

These are the same people who shed 'tears' when an escort turns up dead and post messages about how much they 'cared' for the guy even as they book appointments with someone else.  A lot of “hetero” men are in serious denial, but so are a lot of gay ones...

baracine, my comments above are not necessarily a slap at you, rather they are a response to a pattern of behavior I have seen over and over again.  btw, anyone who follows body building has seen this same pattern, whether they realize it or not.  Undecided
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« Reply #174 on: April 29, 2006, 10:44:58 AM »

I disagree however, with a number of other things you say.  For example, you mention being “out of the gay scene.”  If I hear that phrase one more time, I’ll barf.  A lot of men (who connect with other men) seem to take a measure of pride in asserting that they are not part of “the gay scene.”

• they go to glory holes for anonymous sex but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they hire male escorts but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they advertise on gay web sites and even say in their on-line profiles that they are not into the gay scene.
• they go to gay bars ‘once in a while’ but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• some spend lots of time and money on body building (attending shows, buying magazine DVDs, etc.) but they are not part of the scene.
• they go to sex shops and buy all matter of toys and paraphernalia but claim they are not part of the gay scene
• I could give a number of other examples...

Here’s a news flash: anyone who does any of the above is part of the gay scene.  The “gay scene” such as it is, is wide and varied; it’s not just about marching in gay pride parades...

Thanks for the news flash. I still maintain I am out of the gay scene and that I am proud of that fact. It saves me both time and trouble. I don't associate with gay people, except old friends (and they are very few). I am an educated bilingual French man exiled in the middle of a city full of ignorant, prejudiced, unilingual, Americanized, mostly shallow and insecure gays. I stopped going to bars a long time ago. When I'm in a dance club, I'm basically conducting a private transaction with a straight man (who was usually born outside this country) in a public place. Even my anonymous sex is with straight men if I can help it. I'm just not that good at being "gay". The only gay part of me is my sexual orientation, basically. I understand gay culture, It's just that "gay culture" doesn't understand the rest of me.

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I believe in live and let live, but I am not a fan of pay4sex encounters.  If you read the posts from Johns on muscle escort sites (and I have) you will see that a lot of the Johns who participate in these encounters have convinced themselves that they have some sort of real friendship/relationship with the prostitute (that the prostitute doesn’t have with anyone else).  They think they have a “special” friendship, a “unique” understanding, that they “respect” each other, in addition to be John/escort they are also “friends” etc. etc.  One sees this kind of talk over and over again.

The (usually 40s, 50s, & 60s+) Johns who think this need to ask themselves two questions: 1) would I have met this person if I hadn’t put money on the table? and 2) would this heavily muscled young man be spending time with me and taking his clothes off if I wasn’t opening my wallet?  In virtually all cases the answer is no.

These are the same people who shed 'tears' when an escort turns up dead and post messages about how much they 'cared' for the guy even as they book appointments with someone else.  A lot of “hetero” men are in serious denial, but so are a lot of gay ones...

baracine, my comments above are not necessarily a slap at you, rather they are a response to a pattern of behavior I have seen over and over again.  btw, anyone who follows body building has seen this same pattern, whether they realize it or not.  Undecided

I know I am one of those johns and that is not a glorious state in itself, just another consumer behaviour. I am a male consumer of male pulchritude. But I consider the money I invest in those straight bodybuilders' future a small price to pay compared to the time, aggravation and heartache of pursuing an unreliable game-playing cockteaser who thinks he's God's gift to homo lust. I probably wouldn't have met my straight Romanian army officer if not for the particular way the spotlight hit his buns on stage and if I couldn't afford him. Still, I consider myself a friend of his and he can always come to me for help. What you have to understand is that his friendship is special and unique to me and important in my life.
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