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« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2012, 04:14:38 AM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/04/us-egypt-election-idUSTRE8010W020120104


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« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2012, 03:27:34 PM »

Overtures to Egypt’s Islamists Reverse Longtime U.S. Policy

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and STEVEN LEE MYERS


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/middleeast/us-reverses-policy-in-reaching-out-to-muslim-brotherhood.html?hp=&pagewanted=print




CAIRO — With the Muslim Brotherhood pulling within reach of an outright majority in Egypt’s new Parliament, the Obama administration has begun to reverse decades of mistrust and hostility as it seeks to forge closer ties with an organization once viewed as irreconcilably opposed to United States interests.


The administration’s overtures — including high-level meetings in recent weeks — constitute a historic shift in a foreign policy held by successive American administrations that steadfastly supported the autocratic government of President Hosni Mubarak in part out of concern for the Brotherhood’s Islamist ideology and historic ties to militants.

The shift is, on one level, an acknowledgment of the new political reality here, and indeed around the region, as Islamist groups come to power. Having won nearly half the seats contested in the first two rounds of the country’s legislative elections, the Brotherhood on Tuesday entered the third and final round with a chance to extend its lead to a clear majority as the vote moved into districts long considered strongholds.

The reversal also reflects the administration’s growing acceptance of the Brotherhood’s repeated assurances that its lawmakers want to build a modern democracy that will respect individual freedoms, free markets and international commitments, including Egypt’s treaty with Israel.

And at the same time it underscores Washington’s increasing frustration with Egypt’s military rulers, who have sought to carve out permanent political powers for themselves and used deadly force against protesters seeking an end to their rule.

The administration, however, has also sought to preserve its deep ties to the military rulers, who have held themselves up as potential guardians of their state’s secular character. The administration has never explicitly threatened to take away the $1.3 billion a year in American military aid to Egypt, though new Congressional restrictions could force cuts.

Nevertheless, as the Brotherhood moves toward an expected showdown with the military this month over who should control the interim government — the newly elected Parliament or the ruling military council — the administration’s public outreach to the Brotherhood could give the Islamic movement in Egypt important support. It could also confer greater international legitimacy on the Brotherhood.

It would be “totally impractical” not to engage with the Brotherhood “because of U.S. security and regional interests in Egypt,” a senior administration official involved in shaping the new policy said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss diplomatic affairs.

“There doesn’t seem to me to be any other way to do it, except to engage with the party that won the election,” the official said, adding, “They’ve been very specific about conveying a moderate message — on regional security and domestic issues, and economic issues, as well.”

Some close to the administration have even called this emerging American relationship with the Brotherhood a first step toward a pattern that could take shape with the Islamist parties’ coming to power around the region in the aftermath of the uprisings of the Arab Spring. Islamists have taken important roles in Morocco, Libya, Tunisia and Egypt in less than a year.

“You’re certainly going to have to figure out how to deal with democratic governments that don’t espouse every policy or value you have,” said Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and recently joined with the ambassador to Egypt, Anne W. Patterson, for a meeting with top leaders of the Brotherhood’s political party.

He compared the Obama administration’s outreach to President Ronald Reagan’s arms negotiations with the Soviet Union. “The United States needs to deal with the new reality,” Mr. Kerry said. “And it needs to step up its game.”

In the meeting with the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party, he said, the Brotherhood’s leaders said they were eager to work with the United States and other Western countries, especially in economic areas.

“They certainly expressed a direction that shouldn’t be a challenge to us, provided they follow through,” he said, adding, “Obviously the proof will be in the pudding.”

Brotherhood leaders, for their part, often talk publicly here of their eagerness for Egypt to have cooperative relations “as equals” with the United States. The Brotherhood renounced violence as a political tool around the time the 1952 revolution overthrew the British-backed monarchy. Over the years, many of its leaders said they had become comfortable with multiparty electoral democracy while serving as members of a tolerated — if marginalized — parliamentary minority under Mr. Mubarak.

They also seem to revel in their new standing. After the meeting with Senator Kerry and Ambassador Patterson, the Brotherhood’s newspaper and Web site reported that Mr. Kerry said “he was not surprised at the progress and leading position of the Freedom and Justice Party on the electoral landscape in Egypt, emphasizing his respect for the public will in Egypt.”

“Egypt is a big country with a long honorable history and plays an important role in Arab, Islamic and international issues, and therefore respects the conventions and treaties that were signed,” the Brotherhood leaders said they told Mr. Kerry.

But, on the group’s English language Web page, the report also urged the United States “to hear the peoples, not to hear of them,” and advised “that America could play a role in the economic development and stability of various peoples of the world, if it wished.”

On Tuesday, the administration intensified its criticism of Egypt’s military rulers over raids that last week shut down 10 civil society groups, including at least 3 American-financed democracy-building groups, as part of an investigation of illicit foreign financing that has been laden with conspiratorial and anti-American rhetoric.

“It is, frankly, unacceptable to us that that situation has not been returned to normal,” a State Department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, said, charging that Egypt’s military rulers had broken pledges last week to top American officials, including Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta.

She called the officials behind the campaign against the organizations “old Mubarak holdover types who clearly are not on the new page with the Egyptian people.”

The administration’s willingness to engage with the Brotherhood could open President Obama to new attacks by Republicans who are already accusing him letting Islamists take over a pivotal ally. Some analysts, though, said the overtures amounted to a tacit admission that the United States should have begun such outreach to the region’s Islamist opposition long ago.

Discreet American contacts with the Muslim Brotherhood go back to the early 1990s, although they were previously limited to unpublicized meetings with members of Parliament who also belonged to the Brotherhood but were elected as independents. And even those timid encounters evoked vitriol from Mr. Mubarak.

“Your government is in contact with these terrorists from the Muslim Brotherhood,” he reportedly told the American journalist Mary Anne Weaver in 1994. “Very secretly, without our knowledge at first,” he said, adding, “I can assure you these groups will never take over this country.”

Shadi Hamid, director of research at the Brookings Doha Center in Qatar, argued that the United States missed chances to build ties to moderate Islamists earlier. When Mr. Mubarak jailed thousands of prominent Brotherhood members in 2005 and 2006, for example, the organization reached out to Washington.

“Now the Brotherhood knows it is in a stronger position and it is almost as if the U.S. is chasing them and they are sitting pretty,” Mr. Hamid said. “But what can the U.S. do, intervene and change the election results?” he asked. “The only alternative is to be against democracy in the region.”

 Egypt’s elections are expected to continue to Wednesday, with runoffs next week, and Parliament’s first session is expected to open Jan. 23, two days before the anniversary of the protests that forced out Mr. Mubarak.

David D. Kirkpatrick reported from Cairo, and Steven Lee Myers from Washington.

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« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2012, 03:31:20 PM »



Benny, awesome post....makes me want to cry... since you never see  a reasonable and well thought-out post like this showing Obama being a leader and showing his responsible leadership in the area. Cry


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« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2012, 03:40:20 PM »

Awsome job pulling this up.  I swear Obama can't sink lower. Do you think Obama will make a deal with them but require them to recognize Israel and respect the previous treaty they had..........ok ok stop laughing. The more shit he does like this, the better chance Israel burns the Middle East.
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« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2012, 03:42:44 PM »

Awsome job pulling this up.  I swear Obama can't sink lower. Do you think Obama will make a deal with them but require them to recognize Israel and respect the previous treaty they had..........ok ok stop laughing. The more shit he does like this, the better chance Israel burns the Middle East.


Obama's goal is to collapse the ME and cause an energy crisis.   This way he gets two goals accomplished.   

Create a pan-islamist caliphate to take out israel and at the same time cause americans to stop driving and not be mobile.   

He gets a two'fer according to his communist america-last ideaology. 



Not kidding - if every obama voter dropped dead tommorow of some horrible disease - I would throw a party.       
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Obama's goal is to collapse the ME and cause an energy crisis.   This way he gets two goals accomplished.   

Create a pan-islamist caliphate to take out israel and at the same time cause americans to stop driving and not be mobile.   

He gets a two'fer according to his communist america-last ideaology. 



Not kidding - if every obama voter dropped dead tommorow of some horrible disease - I would throw a party.       

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« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2012, 09:31:57 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2012, 05:03:32 AM »

US State Department: Don't worry, the Muslim Brotherhood has a nice side
worldthreats.com ^ | January 8, 2012 | Ryan Mauro
Posted on January 9, 2012 9:57:29 PM EST by MamaDearest

On Thursday, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland reacted to a statement by the Deputy Leader of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood that it would “not recognize Israel under any circumstances” with a mind-bogglingly naïve reassurance that we shouldn’t worry:

“We’ve seen this press report. I would say that it is one member of the Muslim Brotherhood. We have had other assurances from the party with regard to their commitment not only to universal human rights, but to the international obligations that the Government of Egypt has undertaken.”

Riiight. So, according to the State Department, we should believe the private assurances from the Muslim Brotherhood that they’ll respect the peace treaty with Israel instead of the public statements of its top leaders?

The Muslim Brotherhood is already setting the stage to end the treaty. The same leader that said the Brotherhood wouldn’t recognize Israel said that it would honor current treaties during the “interim” period. After that, the peace treaty with Israel will be submitted to a referendum.

The writing is on the wall. If the ruling Egyptian military council actually lets the Islamists take over (a big if), the Muslim Brotherhood will tell the U.S., “Don’t blame us. We honored the commitment, just like we told you we would. The people chose to cancel it.”

Am I the only one that sees this as obvious?
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« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2012, 04:32:39 AM »

Egypt's next parliament to be led by Islamist

By Leila Fadel and Ingy Hassieb, Published: January 16

CAIRO — Liberals and Islamists in Egypt announced a temporary agreement Monday on a power-sharing plan that would install a Muslim Brotherhood leader as speaker of the country’s newly elected parliament.

The agreement among six political parties all but guarantees that the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party will lead Egypt’s first elected parliament since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak in February, with the Islamist party expected to control as many as half the seats.

Under the power-sharing agreement, the ultraconservative Salafist Nour party and the liberal al-Wafd party would also claim top positions, with their representatives serving as deputy speakers, the parties announced during a news conference Monday at the Freedom and Justice Party’s headquarters.

With a week left until the lower house of the parliament meets, the Freedom and Justice Party said its nominee for speaker would be Mohamed Saad Katatny, the party’s secretary general.

During the announcement, the party heads said the agreement would be a temporary alliance to put their voting weight behind agreed-upon candidates for the parliament’s leadership positions.

“This is a one-day agreement for the day the parliament opens,” Mohamed Abou el-Ghar, the head of the Egyptian Social Democratic Party said in an interview. “We have to cooperate so the main posts in the parliament are distributed fairly to all parties, including the people who won the elections.”

Abou el-Ghar said it was possible that his own party could still be allotted one of the deputy positions if the Wafd party chose not to go along with the accord. The Social Democratic Party is part of an alliance of liberals and leftists that is expected to take the fourth most seats after the Freedom and Justice Party, the Nour party and al-Wafd.

This week the agreed parties will begin discussions to divvy up the chairmanships of political committees in the lower house of the parliament, known as the People’s Assembly. On Monday, the body will convene for the first time.

Final results of the elections are expected this week, but party projections and early returns show that Islamists are expected to take about two-thirds of the seats, most of which will go to the political wing of the historic Muslim Brotherhood organization.

The powers of the People’s Assembly are unclear and will be laid out in a still-unwritten constitution. The People’s Assembly is supposed to choose members of a constituent assembly that will write the country’s constitution.

But Egypt’s military rulers have made clear that they would like to oversee the constitution-writing process and possibly influence the selection of the constituent assembly. Political party leaders said the ruling generals would have no influence over the selection of parliament leaders.

The head of the Freedom and Justice Party, Mohammed Morsi, said during the news conference that the short-term agreement was to guarantee a “parliament that expresses national unity.”
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« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2012, 07:20:46 AM »

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120121/D9SDIG480.html


Nice.   Islamists now have 75 percent of the govt.
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« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2012, 07:20:58 AM »

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 The Region: Who’s winning in the Middle East? 
By BARRY RUBIN
22/01/2012   
 


The West may misread the current atmosphere, but residents in the region know full well what’s going on. 
 
 
   
Nawal al-Saadawi, now 80 years old, is a unique figure in Egypt. She is a pioneer feminist and a radical Arab nationalist. Al- Saadawi has lived in the United States but hates America and, of course, Israel. You can imagine that she also loathes the Islamists. So how does someone like Saadawi react to the Egyptian elections won by the Islamists?

She brands it an American conspiracy. “Democracy is not elections and America uses religion to divide Egypt,” she said in a recent television interview. You are going to be hearing – or not hearing, if you depend on the Western mass media – a lot more of this kind of thing.

How often have I heard Iranian exiles complaining that the United States deliberately didn’t help the Shah in order to bring Ayatollah Khomeini to power? The Turkish opposition has been talking this way for years. In Iran, Lebanon, Syria and probably soon in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, people will be saying: Why do we live under Islamist oppressive dictatorships? Answer: The Americans brought them to power.

It’s an irony of history. Why do the Iranians hate us? The Left tends to say that this is because the United States backed a coup in 1953 against the democratic regime of Muhammad Mossadegh (a regime that was already collapsing, in which the Communists were getting stronger, and the Islamic clerics supported the coup) and the Shah afterward.

Now we are being told that America has been bad to back the dictatorships in Egypt and Tunisia, though the United States opposed the far bloodier dictatorships in Iraq and Syria.

Yet now the Obama administration is backing new regimes that are also going to be rather nasty (though there’s hope for Tunisia) and is failing to help democratic oppositions. It is pursuing a pro- Muslim Brotherhood policy. One day some future American president may be apologizing for that.

IN CONTRAST, the real Middle East isn’t full of revolutionary Islamists who only want an American apology or a boost into power in order to be friends of the United States. It is full of a lot of people, maybe a majority in a number of countries, that would like not to live under radical and repressive dictatorships. It also has a number of governments that want Western help against what they see as their real enemies – Iran and revolutionary Islamists.

There are a hundred anecdotes I could tell but here are some from the last few hours, through personal sources. A Gulf Arab was asked about his country’s strategic priorities. He replied that the Iranian regime, “hates everyone. We need more guns” to defend ourselves from Tehran. A close observer in another Arab country writes me that in contrast to the West, “Everyone inside the region seems to ‘get it,’” regarding the threat from Iran’s government.

Funny how clear actual Middle Easterners are about what’s going on – at least when they are talking to each other – compared to those across the seas whose interpretations are merely wrong-headed, bizarre and soon proven to be wrong.

On the other side of the battle, the Islamists are very happy. In an interview with a British newspaper, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh spoke frankly about his analysis of the situation. What he has to say tells more than all the analyses from all the Western talking heads, journalists and politicians.

“The Palestinian cause is winning. With the Muslim Brotherhood part of the government [in Egypt], they [the Egyptians] will not besiege Gaza. They will not arrest Palestinians. They will not give cover to Israel to launch a war.... Israel is disturbed by this. It knows the strategic environment is changing. Iran is an enemy. Relations are deteriorating with Turkey. With Egypt, they are really cold. Israel is in a security situation they have never been in before.”

I don’t agree with him that Palestinians are “winning” now and are those who gained most from the “Arab Spring.” But there is much truth in what he says. Egypt will now let Hamas do pretty much as it pleases, including smuggling terrorists, money and weapons across the border into the Gaza Strip or setting up bases in Sinai. The Brotherhood in Egypt will use the country’s resources to help Hamas.

Why would anyone even think of making peace with Israel when they are enthusiastic believers in total victory, the idea that events are on their side for wiping out Israel? Everyone in the Middle East understands these attitudes are triumphing, no matter which side they are on. Few in positions of power in Europe or America do.

It is not true, though, that Israel has never faced such a situation before. That’s precisely the way things were in the first three decades of Israel’s existence and many elements of the contemporary situation are better than they were for Israel in the last three decades, following peace with Egypt. Still, this is quite different from the rosy picture of moderation breaking out all over that prevails in Western governing circles.

Haniyeh and the kind of people ruling Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya are not rolling over in the flower field of democracy and peace but rather exulting about how they are on the road to bloody victory over Israel and the West. If you actually listen to what they say most of the time, it couldn’t be more obvious.

The writer is director of the GLORIA Center at the IDC Herzliya, and is editor of MERIA Journal. His new book, Israel: An Introduction, has just been published by Yale University Press. 


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« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2012, 04:03:45 PM »

Obama Ambassador To Egypt Meets With Muslim Brotherhood Leaders…
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(Egypt Independent) — Muslim Brotherhood Guidance Bureau member Abdel Rahman al-Barr on Tuesday met with Assistant US Secretary of State for Democracy and Human Rights Michael Posner and US Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson at the embassy’s headquarters in Cairo.

“The Egyptian people consider America’s claims that it respects democracy and freedom as mere words,” Barr said during the meeting, according to a statement on the group’s website.

“US President Obama’s promises, made during his visit to Egypt, have not been fulfilled, and Egyptians want to see more concrete steps in this regard,” the statement added.


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« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2012, 02:15:54 PM »

U.S. outrage as Egypt bars Americans from leaving
CAIRO | Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:33pm EST




CAIRO (Reuters) - Six Americans working for publicly funded U.S. organizations promoting democracy in Egypt have been barred from leaving the country, provoking angry demands in Washington that Cairo's new military rulers stop "endangering American lives".

Among those hit by travel bans - one of those targeted called it "de facto detention" - is a son of U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, as well as other foreign staffers of the International Republican Institute and National Democratic Institute, officials at the two organizations said on Thursday.

The United States said Egypt should reverse them: "We are urging the government of Egypt to lift these restrictions immediately and allow these folks to come home as soon as possible," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.

A month after police raided the Cairo offices of the IRI, NDI and eight other non-governmental organizations, it raises the stakes for Washington, which had already indicated it may review the $1.3 billion it gives the Egyptian military each year if the probe into alleged breaches of local regulations went on.

Some see it as a poor omen for Egypt's fledgling democracy following last year's overthrow of Hosni Mubarak.

John McCain, the leading Republican senator who chairs the IRI, voiced "alarm and outrage" at a "new and disturbing turn" which included a travel ban on Sam LaHood, the group's Egypt director and son of President Barack Obama's transport chief.

The younger LaHood said he was stopped at Cairo airport on Saturday and prevented from boarding a flight out.

McCain, in a statement referring to Egypt's ruling military council, said: "I call on the Egyptian government and the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces to cease the harassment and unwarranted investigations of American NGOs operating in Egypt.

"This crisis has escalated to the point that it now endangers the lives of American citizens and could set back the long-standing partnership between the United States and Egypt."

US-EGYPT TIES

Mubarak had a close alliance with Washington which is now trying to build a relationship with an Egypt run by his old army colleagues but expecting to be ruled eventually by a parliament in which Islamists have won a big majority in a free vote.

Visiting Cairo, the U.S. State Department's top human rights official, Michael Posner, declined to comment on the travel bans, which some of the NGO officials affected said Egyptian officials have yet to confirm in writing.

However, of the dispute over NGO registration in general, he urged the Egyptian government to "redress this situation". He noted that the release of aid was dependent on Congress, where many disapprove of Egypt's actions against the NGOs and which is waiting for reports from the State Department before voting.

"The NGO issue is very much part of that package and as you know there has been considerable attention in the Congress to the restrictions on NGOs," Posner told reporters.

"So we are very much engaged in trying to encourage progress on that issue."

Cairo-based political analyst Elijah Zarwan said the move would give ammunition to those in Congress seeking a review of aid: "This will clearly strain an already tense relationship between Egypt military rulers and Washington," he said.

Sam LaHood told Reuters that a judge had charged him and three other IRI employees with managing an unregistered NGO and being paid employees of an unregistered organization, charges that carry a penalty of up to five years in jail.

His counterpart at the NDI, which like the IRI receives U.S. public funding and is loosely affiliated with one of the two major political parties in Washington, said she, too, was on the banned list for travel. But Julie Hughes told Reuters she was unaware of any formal charges against her or her staff.

NGO officials said the ban affects four IRI staff, including three Americans and one other foreigner, and six foreigners from the National Democratic Institute (NDI), also including three U.S. citizens.

Egyptian officials have made no comment on the bans.

"These organizations have been operating for years. They meet with the government. Their funding is known," said Heba Morayef of Human Rights Watch in Cairo.

"There can be no motivation except a desire to control and silence the human rights community."

NDI's Hughes said her organization had submitted a registration request when it started up in Egypt in 2005, but after dealing with queries in 2006 the request went no further. She said the group was in regular contact with the authorities.

"We have never received any official correspondence from the government of Egypt with problems or requesting us to cease," Hughes said. "We are hoping ... this controversy yields a more constructive dialogue."

(Reporting by Ashraf Fahim, Sherine El Madany and Marwa Awad; Writing by Edmund Blair and Tom Perry; Editing by Alastair Macdonald)

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« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2012, 02:21:20 PM »

Lol, yup, Obama's "reasoned" approach sure worked, the man has done more to increase the strength of Muslim Extremists in the middle east in the last year than the extremists themsevles have done in the last 10.

Go Obama, every decision you make backfires in your face and little by little you are destroying what little strength and dignity the United States has left.
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« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2012, 07:57:43 AM »

COPTS AND ROBBERS: 3,000 Muslims Burn, Loot Egyptian Christian Village
www.webtoday.tv ^ | 01/29/2012 | WebToday.tv




On the surface, it’s another attack on a Coptic Christian village by a Muslim mob, this time 3,000 of them, burning homes and shops to the ground and looting where they could on January 28th. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police for his protection.

But, as Wendy Wright of Christian Freedom International (CFI), can explain, beneath the story is an even greater concern—a systemic case of Christian persecution that is growing since Mubarak was toppled, the military assumed control and the Muslim Brotherhood continues to win parliament seats.


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« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2012, 07:59:57 AM »

Egypt Islamists look to build on success in polls
Jan 29 07:17 AM US/Eastern


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Egyptians cast ballots on Sunday for the upper house, with Islamists looking to build on their success in voting for the lower assembly as part of the first polls since a revolt ousted Hosni Mubarak.

Polling got under way with only a handful of voters at several stations, in sharp contrast to the long lines and enthusiasm around the elections for lower house of parliament.

The election for the Shura Council, an advisory body, takes place over two stages, after which members of both houses will choose a panel to draft a new constitution.

The elections are part of a roadmap for a transition to democratic rule laid out by the ruling military council that took power after the popular uprising that overthrew Mubarak last year.

The first phase of voting takes place over two days in 13 provinces, including the largest cities Cairo and Alexandria, and the second in the remaining 14.

Under the complex system adopted after Mubarak's ouster, two thirds of the Shura's 180 elected members will be elected via a party-list system, while one third will be elected directly.

One third of the Shura Council will be nominated by the head of state.

Under the framework for a transfer to civilian rule, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) has said the two chambers, once elected, should choose 100 members of a constitutional commission.

But voters in Cairo appeared split on the importance of the latest poll.

"I voted in the referendum (on constitutional amendments in March), I voted for the (People's) Assembly, and so I will vote for the Shura," said a voter who only gave her name as Seham.

"If this chamber had no importance, authorities would not be seeking to revive it," she added.

In contrast, voter Zainab al-Sadawi, said: "If the Shura had an important role to play drafting the future constitution, there should have been campaigns on the subject. Otherwise, the People's Assembly is enough."

Most political parties are pressing for the constitution to be completed ahead of presidential elections due to be held before the end of June.

The powerful Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party won a crushing victory in the lower house of parliament elections, which were contested over three months, to clinch 47 percent of seats.

The Al-Nur, representing the ultra-conservative Salafist current of political Islam, came second place, with liberal parties trailing far behind.

The election comes amid nationwide protests calling for the immediate ouster of the ruling military council led by Mubarak's longtime defence minister, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi.

Tens of thousands of Egyptians took to the streets on Wednesday to mark one year since the start of the uprising that ousted Mubarak after 30 years of autocratic rule.

A year on, protesters accuse the military council of mismanagement and human rights abuses.

Demonstrators are demanding an end to military trials of civilians, the restructuring of the interior ministry and a guarantee of freedoms and social justice.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been less vocal in calling for the army to step down, prompting tensions with some anti-military protesters.

The SCAF has vowed to cede power to civilian rule by June when a new president is to be elected, and has repeatedly pointed to the parliamentary elections as proof of its intention to abandon politics.

But protesters accuse the military of seeking to maintain some degree of control over Egypt, even after June.



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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2012, 10:56:50 AM »

Brotherhood would cancel Camp David Agreement, says Hezbollah official
Haitham Dabbour Egypt Independent

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http://www.egyptindependent.com/print/629041



Tehran — Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood will eventually cancel the Camp David Agreement, despite the group’s announcement that it respects international agreements Egypt has signed, said Amin al-Sayed Ibrahim, head of Hezbollah’s political council.

Speaking to the “International Conference on Islamic Awakening and the Youths,” Ibrahim said that the Egyptian military, so as not to lose its clout, would never allow the Brotherhood to write the constitution or even form a constituent assembly to write the constitution.

Following their electoral victories in Parliament, Egypt's most organized political group has offered assurances that it would respect the 1979 peace treaty with Israel.

When asked early this month whether Washington believed that the Islamist party would uphold the treaty, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that the party "has made commitments to us in this regard.”

Ibrahim said that the current unrest in Syria is a conspiracy and not a revolution, as western media claims. The Egyptian delegation clashed with him over the remarks.

“The Syrians transfer arms to the Palestinian resistance,” he said.

Over 1,200 young people from Iran as well as 73 other countries are participating in the two-day conference, Iran’s Fars news agency reported on Monday.

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« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2012, 02:51:46 AM »

What a complete thread backfire for the failed Benny B.  It doesn't take a political scientist to realize what was going to happen in a country who's majority wants Islamic rule.  But we're supposed to believe the state department knows more about Egypt than Egyptians do.

We'll of course continue to send them over a billion dollars a year in funds though.
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« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2012, 07:29:58 AM »

Has anyone on here been  wrong more than Benny the Idiot?

No.
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« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2012, 09:46:40 PM »

What a complete thread backfire for the failed Benny B.  It doesn't take a political scientist to realize what was going to happen in a country who's majority wants Islamic rule.  But we're supposed to believe the state department knows more about Egypt than Egyptians do.

We'll of course continue to send them over a billion dollars a year in funds though.

its not like we incited the riots that forced Mubarak out...that was Mubarak's fault...Egypt has always been ruled by Islamists....Almost everyone on Egypt is Muslim...c'mon!
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« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2012, 09:48:23 PM »

its not like we incited the riots that forced Mubarak out...that was Mubarak's fault...Egypt has always been ruled by Islamists....Almost everyone on Egypt is Muslim...c'mon!


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« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2012, 07:18:46 PM »

Egyptian MP Mustafa Bakri: America and Israel Are Responsible for Port Said Soccer Bloodbath
MEMRI TV ^ | 2-2-12 | Sawt Al-Sha'b TV (Egypt)
Posted on 02/02/2012 3:32:29 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyran nis

Following are excerpts from a statement by Egyptian MP Mustafa Bakri, which aired on Sawt Al-Sha'b TV on February 2, 2012.

Mustafa Bakri: Our country is entering a state of anarchy. This anarchy is caused by America, Israel and the former regime. Look at the New Middle East scheme. Don't talk about all the minute details. What happened in Port Said is a continuation of what happened in Muhammad Mahmoud Street, in Al-Qasr Al-Ayni Street, across from the government, across from Maspero, and in the soccer match against Tunisia. They are all connected. It is an attempt to bring this country down.

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« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2012, 09:14:26 AM »

U.S. tourists seized in Egypt's Sinai released
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/03/us-egypt-kidnapping-idUSTRE8120MD20120203





CAIRO (Reuters) - Two American women kidnapped by gunmen in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula on Friday were released into army custody hours after they were seized, security sources said.

The two tourists were among a party of five travelling from Saint Catherine's monastery in central Sinai to the resort town of Sharm el-Sheikh when a vehicle carrying men armed with machineguns stopped their small bus, the sources said.

The gunmen were apparently seeking a ransom, they said.

(Reporting by Patrick Werr)

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« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2012, 10:20:13 AM »

Egypt Will Try Son Of Former Illinois Congressman
My Stateline (Fox 39) ^ | February 6, 2012 | Colin Clarke
Posted on February 6, 2012 12:30:39 PM EST by Qbert

(Cairo, Egypt)  --  Egypt is set to try 19 Americans, including the son of former Illinois Congressman Ray LaHood.

Egyptian officials announced yesterday that Sam LaHood is among the 43 people to be tried for what prosecutors called using funds from their non-profit organizations to foment unrest in their country.

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« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2012, 11:56:08 AM »

Egypt Will Try Son Of Former Illinois Congressman
My Stateline (Fox 39) ^ | February 6, 2012 | Colin Clarke
Posted on February 6, 2012 12:30:39 PM EST by Qbert

(Cairo, Egypt)  --  Egypt is set to try 19 Americans, including the son of former Illinois Congressman Ray LaHood.

Egyptian officials announced yesterday that Sam LaHood is among the 43 people to be tried for what prosecutors called using funds from their non-profit organizations to foment unrest in their country.

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there is nothing to say..Egypt has to find its own way and what works for them...we gave them their freedom..the rest is up to them as I have said..//you look for every negative article you can find to prove your point....be less biased....

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