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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2011, 01:11:07 PM »
Caffeine 200mg twice a day(morning and before workout/cardio).

Regular creatine monohydrate, roughly 5 grams two times a day.

that is a SHITLOAD of caffeine to be taking every day lol

i drink NO EXPLODE before pressing workouts which contains 200mg caffeine and supposedly creatine too, and it keeps me wide awake for like 8 hours or more. could not imagine doing 400mg caffeine every day, my heart would explode and/or id never be able to sleep.

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2011, 01:15:00 PM »
that is a SHITLOAD of caffeine to be taking every day lol

i drink NO EXPLODE before pressing workouts which contains 200mg caffeine and supposedly creatine too, and it keeps me wide awake for like 8 hours or more. could not imagine doing 400mg caffeine every day, my heart would explode and/or id never be able to sleep.

lol really?

They say that 100mg is about equal to one cup of coffee or perhaps a tad bit more. 4-5 cups in a day is a bit much but by no means unheard of.

I've had plenty coffee in my day so that could explain my tolerance.
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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2011, 05:01:33 PM »
My thinking is that I should be able to drink a tad bit more water to compensate for the diuretic effect of the caffeine, so the creatine will still be able to do its "magic".

Spot on, "caffeine kills the effects of creatine" is 90's wisdom. No problem at all to take the two together.

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2011, 10:28:09 PM »
lol really?

They say that 100mg is about equal to one cup of coffee or perhaps a tad bit more. 4-5 cups in a day is a bit much but by no means unheard of.

I've had plenty coffee in my day so that could explain my tolerance.

yeah i never drank coffee or anything so i probabaly have a low tolerance for caffeine

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2011, 11:01:54 PM »
Caffeine blocks creatine, do research u dumb fools.

The american university laboratories did the tests.

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2011, 11:04:48 PM »
Caffeine blocks creatine, do research u dumb fools.

The american university laboratories did the tests.

Bullshit.

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2011, 11:26:00 PM »
that is a SHITLOAD of caffeine to be taking every day lol

i drink NO EXPLODE before pressing workouts which contains 200mg caffeine and supposedly creatine too, and it keeps me wide awake for like 8 hours or more. could not imagine doing 400mg caffeine every day, my heart would explode and/or id never be able to sleep.
200mg is not a shitload..

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2011, 11:30:43 PM »
200mg is not a shitload..

http://www.bodybuilding-depot.de/shop/Spezialprodukte/S.U.+SYNforce+coffein+caps

In German, sorry, but you should be able to understand the most.  ;D ;D

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2011, 02:50:16 AM »
http://www.bodybuilding-depot.de/shop/Spezialprodukte/S.U.+SYNforce+coffein+caps

In German, sorry, but you should be able to understand the most.  ;D ;D
is that the german version of plazmosis?  ;D

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2011, 03:04:05 AM »
is that the german version of plazmosis?  ;D

No, just a training booster, but it has 400mg caffeine in one pill, plus other shit.  :o :o

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2011, 03:25:43 AM »
Bullshit.

Mahg never talks out of his ass, I always have evidence to back up anything I say. I may be controversial but I never lie.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8929583

Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading.

Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P.

Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium.
Abstract

This study aimed to compare the effects of oral creatine (Cr) supplementation with creatine supplementation in combination with caffeine (Cr+C) on muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) level and performance in healthy male volunteers (n = 9). Before and after 6 days of placebo, Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1), or Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1) + C (5 mg x kg-1 x day-1) supplementation, 31P-nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy of the gastrocnemius muscle and a maximal intermittent exercise fatigue test of the knee extensors on an isokinetic dynamometer were performed. The exercise consisted of three consecutive maximal isometric contractions and three interval series of 90, 80, and 50 maximal voluntary contractions performed with a rest interval of 2 min between the series. Muscle ATP concentration remained constant over the three experimental conditions. Cr and Cr+C increased (P < 0.05) muscle PCr concentration by 4-6%. Dynamic torque production, however, was increased by 10-23% (P < 0.05) by Cr but was not changed by Cr+C. Torque improvement during Cr was most prominent immediately after the 2-min rest between the exercise bouts. The data show that Cr supplementation elevates muscle PCr concentration and markedly improves performance during intense intermittent exercise. This ergogenic effect, however, is completely eliminated by caffeine intake.

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2011, 03:27:06 AM »
So I made 1 mistake, its a Belgian university. Anyway I think Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P know more than some random englishman in new york who thinks he knows everything. Stupid names notwithstanding.  :D

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2011, 03:32:47 AM »
Mahg never talks out of his ass, I always have evidence to back up anything I say. I may be controversial but I never lie.


Aside from the fact that there are enough studies proving that caffeine has no effect on creatine, the problem with this study is that the environment was set for caffeine to interfere with the creatine. The study is from 1996, it's way too old.

It can be easily avoided by timing and enough water intake.

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2011, 03:42:46 AM »
No, just a training booster, but it has 400mg caffeine in one pill, plus other shit.  :o :o
Thats the fucking "heart-attack™" stack...!  ;D

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2011, 03:50:03 AM »
Thats the fucking "heart-attack™" stack...!  ;D

LOL, actually on there were quite a lot of people getting sleepy on this stack.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Caffeine+creatine=epic cramps
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2011, 04:08:14 AM »
Sounds like Aids bro - pip  :'(