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We went over to his storage site...its unreal. I have alot of ammo but he's way beyond anything I hold on to. He's got 3 versions of the swedish K..so he's got tons of .45...tons of 9mm..tons of 5.56...some odd's and ends stuff..but just tons of it.
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We went over to his storage site...its unreal. I have alot of ammo but he's way beyond anything I hold on to. He's got 3 versions of the swedish K..so he's got tons of .45...tons of 9mm..tons of 5.56...some odd's and ends stuff..but just tons of it.

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Re: PROOF AG HOLDER COMMITTED PERJURY BEFORE CONGRESS - BUSTED!!!
« Reply #355 on: July 09, 2011, 05:50:49 AM »
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Re: PROOF AG HOLDER COMMITTED PERJURY BEFORE CONGRESS - BUSTED!!!
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ATF Death Watch 33: C-SPAN’s Smoking Gun.
The Truth About Guns ^ | 9 July, 2011 | Brad Kozak
Posted on July 9, 2011 9:09:32 AM EDT by marktwain

Here we are thinking that there’s got to be a Watergate moment – the 18½ minutes of tape, Deep Throat, the Plumbers – to connect the final dot between the ATF’s Gunwalker scandal and Obama. Nope. Turns out, we just had to go back and watch some C-SPAN reruns, and there it was, straight from the Assistant US District Attorney’s mouth. Obama Ordered ATF’s Gunwalker. Wow. I mean, so we’re clear, the U.S. AG’s office was bragging about Gunwalker as a part of Obama’s “get tough on the border” policy. Or to put it in terms that a Democrat can understand, “he was for it, before he was against it.” Um-hmmm. And he approved it before he tried to distance himself from it.

What was once a lone voice crying in the wilderness, is beginning to snowball into a groundswell Greek chorus of voices calling for putting down the ATF like the rabid dog that it is. And nailing it’s master (that would be Obama) for letting the dog run wild.

I realize nobody watches C-SPAN, but don’t you think it’s gonna be a little hard for the AG’s office to ‘splain this one away?

While we’re at it, we may have cleared up the mystery of what those two agents were doing in-country when they were ambushed by the cartel thugs. Listen carefully, and you’ll see Obama stepped up the presence of American law enforcement inside Mexico.

Anybody else wondering how this is different from Kennedy ordering “advisors” into North Vietnam and claiming we weren’t doing anything suspicious? Or for that matter, how this policy bears a resemblance to the Un-war we seem to now be fighting in Libya?

I’m almost hoping ObamaCare actually works, as I’m gonna need some medical attention for all the whiplash I’m getting from the “Fast and Furious” lies coming out of the administration.

Fortunately, it’s gonna be pretty difficult for Obama, Holder & Co. to deny they knew anything about this, with an assistant AG spilling the beans. On C-SPAN no less.

I can almost smell the scandalous odors of gunpowder and desperation from here.

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The video is at the site. It clearly differentiates between the old, Bush Presidency gunrunner program, and the new initiatives of the Obama presidency and the $10 million stimulus money. This is just the time the Gunwalking started.

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ATF Death Watch 33: C-SPAN’s Smoking Gun.
The Truth About Guns ^ | 9 July, 2011 | Brad Kozak
Posted on July 9, 2011 9:09:32 AM EDT by marktwain

Here we are thinking that there’s got to be a Watergate moment – the 18½ minutes of tape, Deep Throat, the Plumbers – to connect the final dot between the ATF’s Gunwalker scandal and Obama. Nope. Turns out, we just had to go back and watch some C-SPAN reruns, and there it was, straight from the Assistant US District Attorney’s mouth. Obama Ordered ATF’s Gunwalker. Wow. I mean, so we’re clear, the U.S. AG’s office was bragging about Gunwalker as a part of Obama’s “get tough on the border” policy. Or to put it in terms that a Democrat can understand, “he was for it, before he was against it.” Um-hmmm. And he approved it before he tried to distance himself from it.

What was once a lone voice crying in the wilderness, is beginning to snowball into a groundswell Greek chorus of voices calling for putting down the ATF like the rabid dog that it is. And nailing it’s master (that would be Obama) for letting the dog run wild.

I realize nobody watches C-SPAN, but don’t you think it’s gonna be a little hard for the AG’s office to ‘splain this one away?

While we’re at it, we may have cleared up the mystery of what those two agents were doing in-country when they were ambushed by the cartel thugs. Listen carefully, and you’ll see Obama stepped up the presence of American law enforcement inside Mexico.

Anybody else wondering how this is different from Kennedy ordering “advisors” into North Vietnam and claiming we weren’t doing anything suspicious? Or for that matter, how this policy bears a resemblance to the Un-war we seem to now be fighting in Libya?

I’m almost hoping ObamaCare actually works, as I’m gonna need some medical attention for all the whiplash I’m getting from the “Fast and Furious” lies coming out of the administration.

Fortunately, it’s gonna be pretty difficult for Obama, Holder & Co. to deny they knew anything about this, with an assistant AG spilling the beans. On C-SPAN no less.

I can almost smell the scandalous odors of gunpowder and desperation from here.

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The video is at the site. It clearly differentiates between the old, Bush Presidency gunrunner program, and the new initiatives of the Obama presidency and the $10 million stimulus money. This is just the time the Gunwalking started.

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Let's get one thing straight, Gunwalker is NOT simply an ATF scandal. It IS an OBAMA scandal.
sipseystreetirregulars ^ | 8 July, 2011 | Mike Vanderboegh
Posted on July 9, 2011 9:15:46 AM EDT by marktwain

The left-collectivist gun confiscationists, unable to ignore the Gunwalker Scandal any longer, are chanting the "Permanent Director, More Gun Control" mantra louder, longer and more frequently now. Here's Pro-Publica: "Embroiled in Controversy, ATF Has Long Been Leaderless and Hamstrung."

Josh Gerstein, writing at Polico asks: "Could controversy kill the ATF?"

The unfolding scandal over a gunrunning investigation allegedly botched by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives could do what years of criticism of the long-beleaguered agency never quite accomplished — result in its demise.

That, at least, is the view of some former ATF employees and advocates on both sides of the gun control debate who have watched the agency struggle to contain the damage from an operation intended to trace the traffic of illegal guns to Mexico that has reignited the harsh criticism often directed at the ATF in the past.

The agency, which moved from the Treasury Department to the Justice Department in 2003, has been without a permanent director for nearly five years. Nominees offered by Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have languished without approval from the Senate after drawing strong opposition from the National Rifle Association, which for years has been the agency’s loudest critic.

Now, with ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson hobbled by the scandal over Operation Fast and Furious and by indications he’s at odds with senior Justice Department officials, many are saying a breakup of the storied agency could just be a matter of time.

“I think something like that is likely to happen,” said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “Unless they take some action to give it a director, it’s inevitable it’s going to have to get to that stage. It cannot continue the way it’s going now. … Right now, ATF is so weak it’s amazing.” . . .

“I point the finger at Congress. You made it confirmable, so confirm somebody. If not, restructure it. … If this structure doesn’t work, let’s get a structure that does,” Helmke said.

Now folks, when rabid anti-gunners like Helmke get around to accepting the ATF's demise, you've got to ask yourself why. The answer? They are protecting the larger mission -- both the Obama administration and the gun control mission. This scandal is so bad, they know they'll have to give up something. But they also know that the firearm laws of the United States are NOT going to be repealed anytime soon.

As a matter of fact, these schmucks -- both the gun confiscationists and the guilty Gunwalker conspirators -- NEED you to think that this is about the ATF. The more folks focus on the tree of the ATF, the less they're worried about the larger forest of their naked attempt to subvert the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

And it is not just Helmke:

Some experts said the ATF, a successor to Treasury’s Prohibition Unit that once counted crimefighter Eliot Ness among its ranks, has outlived its usefulness.

“Even the name of the organization, it’s from the black-and-white movie era,” said Jim Kessler of Third Way, a centrist Democratic group. “I don’t think it should exist. The investigations should be subsumed within the FBI, and the licensing could be done by Treasury, which is a tax-collecting agency.”

Oh, right. Let's give it to the FBI, the same agency that we now know did its best to cover-up the circumstances of Brian Terry's murder by letting go three men apprehended at the murder scene and the same agency who had a cartel gunrunner as a paid informant WITHOUT telling the ATF. The same agency that has always been a lot more competent at avoiding punishment for their own fatal misdeeds, including the killing of Vicki Weaver and the immolation of 80 Davidian men, women and children. Yeah, THAT FBI.

Right.

Worse, the secret political policemen of DHS are waiting in the wings for the gun control mission.

But right now, it is to the advantage of the guilty parties at the top echelon of the Gunwalker conspirators at FBI, DEA. State, the NSC and White House for everybody to believe that this is strictly an ATF scandal.

By focusing on the tool, they hope you'll miss the fingerprints of the hand that wielded it.

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This shows that we are winning. This means we need to push all the harder to find all of those implicated in this scandal, and push hard for the guilty to be punished.
1 posted on July 9, 2011 9:15:51 AM EDT by marktwain
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2 posted on July 9, 2011 9:18:57 AM EDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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and possibly a Felipe Calderón scandal.


3 posted on July 9, 2011 9:20:29 AM EDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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...which explains why the media has ignored it.


4 posted on July 9, 2011 9:21:54 AM EDT by Mr. Lucky
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Please add me to your ping list.
Thanks in advance.

5 posted on July 9, 2011 9:23:10 AM EDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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I’m wondering what’s it going to take for Americans to rise up and take their country back, I mean all evidence points towards either no elections next year, or heavily cheated ones. They are obviously planning some pretty dang nefarious things, where are the patriots?


6 posted on July 9, 2011 9:26:16 AM EDT by Bulwyf
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“Worse, the secret political policemen of DHS are waiting in the wings for the gun control mission.”

Thank you, george.


7 posted on July 9, 2011 9:27:28 AM EDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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This makes Watergate look like child’s play


8 posted on July 9, 2011 9:29:27 AM EDT by BubbaJunebug
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I think the closer this gets to obama, the more unstable and desperate he gets. I am looking for something truly outrageous very soon from this administration. obama can NOT take pressure without striking out wildly.


9 posted on July 9, 2011 9:30:45 AM EDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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please add me to your ping list, too....thanks.


10 posted on July 9, 2011 9:31:03 AM EDT by mickie
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One more for your ping list.

TIA!


11 posted on July 9, 2011 9:34:08 AM EDT by maggief
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Sign me up too. Thanks!


12 posted on July 9, 2011 9:36:22 AM EDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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This Canadian will be there to help my southern brothers and sisters when the need arises ( I have three kids, I can’t afford to sit by and do nothing while freedom dies).

I’ve been expecting something big to happen for a while now, I just sometimes wonder why we have to wait, a good defense is a good offense?


13 posted on July 9, 2011 9:38:30 AM EDT by Bulwyf
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Obama stimulus funded 'guns-to-drug-lords' plan
WorldNet Daily ^ | July 9, 2011 | Michael Carl
Posted on July 9, 2011 9:33:29 AM EDT by libstripper

Just a day after U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., called for Attorney General Eric Holder's removal, alleging a White House connection to the "Project Gunrunner" that allowed weapons to be delivered to Mexican drug lords, confirmation has come that the program originated at the highest levels of the Obama administration.

The link is the $10 million in taxpayer dollars designated to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for Project Gunrunner in Obama's 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act, otherwise known as the Stimulus Bill.

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Smoking gun.  Obama and Holder should get ready for prison. 


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Re: PROOF AG HOLDER COMMITTED PERJURY BEFORE CONGRESS - BUSTED!!!
« Reply #363 on: July 09, 2011, 08:52:26 AM »
Time for prison for these communists and traitors. 

BTW - whoever still plans on voting for this disgusting communist regime needs to be fucking beaten senseless. 





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presidents always get away with this shit.

some fall guy takes all the blame, and he gets rich doing a cable tv show a few years later as a hero to the base for 'saving their guy'.




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Sorry 240 - melson is not taking the fall on this.

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Sorry 240 - melson is not taking the fall on this.

i dunno who will take the fall.  someone will come fwd and make their claim to "my bad, that was my call..."

Scooter libby ring a bell?  lol

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i dunno who will take the fall.  someone will come fwd and make their claim to "my bad, that was my call..."

Scooter libby ring a bell?  lol


Hey dipshit it's already on record as an obama policy.    Stop your excuses for this asshole.   It makes you look like a real pofs. 

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Hey dipshit it's already on record as an obama policy.    Stop your excuses for this asshole.   It makes you look like a real pofs. 

I already said obama and holder belong in prison for it.  You call that making excuses?

I believe they're guilty.  I also believe they'll walk because they do what the fck they want to do, as all presidents do, and they sure ain't going to jail for it.  nixon was guilty as shit, and wasn't prosecuted - its bad for teh office.

Obama will beat the rap here, but if there's any justice, this will stall any potential anti gun legislation.

hey 33, learn to separate reality from emotion dude - i believe obama is guilty, but I believe he'll never be tried for any crime.  That's not kneepadding.

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How many calls have you made to your reps.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2746292/posts

Allen west calling for holder to go.   

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Re: PROOF AG HOLDER COMMITTED PERJURY BEFORE CONGRESS - BUSTED!!!
« Reply #371 on: July 10, 2011, 05:07:45 AM »
Holder bragged about Operation Gunrunner in 2009
By: Barbara Hollingsworth | Local Opinion Editor | 07/09/11 10:33 AM
On May 3, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified before House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa's committee that he only learned about the government's sale of weapons to Mexican drug cartels "in the last few weeks."

But Big Government found a 2009 speech by Holder on the Department of Justice's own website that proves the attorney general was well aware of Operation Gunrunner back in 2009:

The problem with Holder’s feigned ignorance is that he gave a speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, in which he boasted about Operation 'Gunrunner” and told Mexican authorities of everything he was doing to insure its success.

When questioned by the media, Holder also denied knowing anything about Gunrunner:

"Holder's office at first vehemently denied ATF has ever knowingly allowed weapons to get into the hands of suspected gunrunners for Mexico's drug cartels," CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reported.

But at the arms trafficking conference in Cuernavaca, Holder not only acknowledged the program, he bragged that he was in the process of expanding it:

"Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail."

So Holder's May 3rd denial appears to be refuted by his own words.

With 43 automatic weapons with serial numbers traced back to the ATF operation seized during a single traffic stop in Phoenix, and others showing up in crimes throughout Arizona, the ATF director now claims that Holder's department is obstructing the congressional investigation.

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Fast and Furious: The Issue That Could Sink Obama GOPUSA.com
GOPUSA.com ^ | July 8, 2011 | Bobby Eberle
Posted on July 8, 2011 8:01:37 PM EDT by Iam1ru1-2

There is a laundry list of issues that may lead to Barack Obama being a one-term president. There's his massive, debt-financed spending plans designed to boost the economy that, of course, failed. There's his seemingly incoherent foreign policy. There's his complete grasp of how jobs are created. But there is another issue that is waiting to explode. Obama's administration has been involved in the idiotic plan of allowing American guns to be sold to Mexican drug dealers. These guns were used to kill an American Border Patrol Agent. So... what did Obama know, and when did he know it?

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. This committee is tasked with investigating the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms (ATF) and their so-called sting known as Operation Fast and Furious. Issa is trying to figure out which Obama official authorized the program in which "purchasers were allowed to buy guns in the U.S. -- in some cases, with taxpayer money, Issa said -- and then send those guns to Mexican drug cartels."

As CNSNews.com reports, the operation was established "to track the guns to see where they'd end up, but Issa says tracking devices were not put on most of the guns:"

"With only two exceptions where they put tracking devices on (the guns) was there any physical tracking beyond basically a few hours of following the first car, at most. In one case, they did watch (the guns) go on a GPS device quite a ways into Mexico, but of course they didn't inform the Mexican officials, and they didn't have a team on the other side of the border to follow it, so at some point the signal simply disappeared."

In December 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered. At the scene were two rifles that were sold to a smuggler through the ATF's Fast and Furious program.

CNSNews.com has an outstanding timeline of the program.

In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 and continued into early 2011, the federal government purposefully allowed known or suspected gun smugglers to purchase guns at federally licensed firearms dealers in Arizona. The government did not seek to abort these gun purchases, intercept the smugglers after the purchases, or recover the guns they had purchased. In some cases, as the government expected they would, the smugglers delivered the guns to Mexico drug traffickers.

Can you say INSANITY? The Obama administration puts together a program to track guns all the way to the bad guys, but doesn't actually track the guns and certainly doesn't get the bad guys. They basically made it easier for Mexican drug smugglers to get guns... guns that were used to kill an American!

Sean Hannity, on his Fox News program, interviewed Issa on his investigation into Operation Fast and Furious:

PART 1

Here's Part 2 of the interview:

PART 2

CNSNews.com's White House correspondent asked a simple question during a recent press briefing: What was the exact date that Obama learned about the ATF operation. Here's the response:

And so we have a program that was designed to fail... a program that purposely allowed guns to get into the hands of Mexican drug dealers. Aren't liberals supposed to be in favor of stronger gun control? Does that only apply to Americans and not to guns being used against Americans?

As Issa commented in the CNSNews.com story, "Because the operation involved wiretaps and other agencies -- including the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, and the U.S. Attorney's office in Arizona -- Issa said it's clear to him that the guns-to-Mexico operation goes to the 'highest levels' of the Justice Department."

This program is so plain stupid that it smacks of Obama thinking it up himself. What did he know, and when did he know it? Those are the questions.

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Re: PROOF AG HOLDER COMMITTED PERJURY BEFORE CONGRESS - BUSTED!!!
« Reply #373 on: July 10, 2011, 06:04:48 AM »
 

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Holder Lied: DOJ News Release Shows Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling

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Eric Holder gave false info. to a Congressional Committee last May about ATF operations tied to the deaths of two U.S. Agents; we have the proof.


Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Special Agent Jaime Zapata from ICE both died from weapons that were sent to Mexico from the United States. There is no knowledge as to how many lives the U.S. weapons smuggling programs claimed in Mexico.

(SALEM, Ore.) - New information indicates that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's actions are squarely behind the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) operation known as "Fast and Furious", which orchestrated the delivery of almost 2,000 weapons to Mexican drug cartels[1].

Holder openly proclaimed his connection to the operation in April 2009 during a publicized speech in Mexico, then told a Congressional Committee in May 2011, "I probably heard of Fast and Furious the first time in the last few weeks."[2]

The ATF weapons smuggling ring involved the arrest of several government officials with the city of Columbus, New Mexico including the mayor and police chief, but that is all[3].

They were apparently known from the beginning and the weapons deals with 'straw buyers' were videotaped. Smuggled U.S. weapons from this operation, described as mostly semi automatic versions of military weapons like the AK-47, were found to be used in the shooting deaths of two U.S. federal agents.

The new information, which is not really new at all, proves that Holder had to be aware of the U.S. government weapons smuggling operation planned and implemented by federal agents from ATF which he denied to Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) less than two months ago, as detailed below.

Background on Fast and Furious 'Gunrunner' Operation

As we have reported with the help of our Photojournalist Robert Plumlee, who is a former CIA asset, we know that around 1,800 weapons were funneled through the Chaparral Gun Store in Chaparral, New Mexico, and into the hands of the murderous cartels. As referenced, the gun shop was directly tied to the mayor, police chief and city council of Columbus, New Mexico, a town famous for the Pancho Villa border raids a century before[4].

Weapons from the ATF Gunrunner or Gunwalker scheme as it came to be known, were recovered from the desert where U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry died in a shootout with cartel members. A U.S. gun that allegedly was smuggled into Mexico from Dallas, Texas, was used to murder an Immigration Customs Enforcement Agent named Jaime Zapata[5].

Considering how big of a problems guns and violence already are in Mexico, it should be a mystery how this U.S. / Mexico weapons smuggling program was ever launched, and according to Holder's earlier testimony, included in our report, Feds Call Meeting with Journalist Who Reported Human Remains and Cartel Weapon Build up with U.S. Ties, it is a mystery[6].

This is official sworn testimony from Holder, the video is transcribed.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa grills Attorney General Eric Holder over Failure and tragedy of 'Operation Fast and Furious'

Issa: "When did you first know about the program, Fast and the Furious? To the best of your knowledge what date?"


Holder: "I'm not sure of the exact date but I probably heard of Fast and Furious the first time in the last few weeks."

Issa: "How about the head of the Criminal Dept. Lanny Brewer, did he authorize it?"

Holder: "I'm not sure whether or not Mr. Brewer authorized it, you have to understand in which the department operations, although there are operations this one has gotten a great deal of publicity".

Issa: "Yeah there are dead Americans as a result of this failed and reckless program. so I would say that it hasn't gotten enough attention, has it Mr. Attorney General?"

Holder: "Not exactly, there is an investigation that is underway You'll have to look at that to see what exactly in regard to..."

Issa: "But Mr. Attorney General..."

Holder: "...I take very seriously, the allegation..."

Issa: "Mr. Attorney General, do you take seriously... Mr. Attorney General, do you take, take seriously a subpoena signed by the Clerk of the House?"

Holder: "Of course".

Issa: "Mr. Attorney General, isn't it true that those cases that will go to trial in June... We have very limited time, sorry, those cases are basically a bunch of meth addicts who did the buying, that you do not have what this program was supposed to produce, you don't have the kingpins, you don't have the places it went, what you have are the people you already had on videotape many, many months before indictments were brought, isn't this true?"

Holder: "There are cases that are important that we are tying to bring that we want to try successfully and they are part of a scheme they are part of a scheme. You can't look at an individual case as an individual matter and think it's unimportant because small cases lead to larger ones."

Issa: "We're looking at you, straw purchasers, we're looking at you, and you're key people who knew or should have known about this, and whether or not your judgment was consistent with good practices and whether or not, instead, the Justice Dept. is basically guilty of allowing weapons to kill Americans and Mexicans. So will you agree to cooperate with that investigation both on the House and Senate side?"

Holder: "We'll certainly cooperate with all of the investigations but I take great exception to what you just said; the notion that somehow or another, this Justice Dept. is responsible for those deaths that you mentioned, uh... that assertion's offensive. and I want to tell you that..."

Issa: "What if it's accurate?"

Holder: "...it is the policy of the Justice Dept. to make sure that we do all that we can to protect law enforcement agents, it is one of the reasons we have tried to look at a whole variety of methods and techniques we can use to protect the lives of law enforcement agents, it is something this country is not focused enough on."

Issa: "What am I gonna tell Agent Terry's mother about how he died at the end of a gun that was videotaped as it was sold to a straw purchaser fully intending and expecting it to end up in the hands of drug cartels?"

Holder: "Well, one; you know we'll have to see exactly what happened with regards to the guns that are at issue there. And... (pause) I've attended funerals you know. it's something that, you know it isn't theoretical, this is not political, it is extremely real for me as Attorney General..."

Issa: "It is for us too"[7] .

An article published Friday, 8 July 2011, The Stimulation of Murder, by Investor's Business Daily, explained that A.G. Holder was, in spite of his denial, fully aware of the ATF's gun-running to Mexico operations, to the point that it was fully disclosed in President Barack Obama's Stimulus Bill.



"Right there in the stimulus bill that no one in Congress bothered to read is $10 million for Project Gunrunner (aka Operation Fast and Furious), which resulted in the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and increased drug cartel violence", the article stated[8][9].

Attorney General Eric Holder's direct denial of knowledge of this as shown above, to Congress, could and possibly should be his downfall. Rather than relying on the blog article, I simply copied the words and dropped them into Google. Lo and behold, Holder's 2009 speech in Mexico from the Dept. of Justice...

Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference in CUERNAVACA, MEXICO Thursday, April 2, 2009
Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels.  My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion.  DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone.  Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel...[2]



Special Agent Jaime Zapata was shot and killed outside of Mexico City, Mexico.

He and another agent assigned to the United States Embassy and were traveling between Mexico City and Monterrey when they were forced off the road by 10 members of a Mexican drug cartel. The agents were in an armored vehicle with diplomatic plates and identified themselves as diplomats.

The cartel members opened fire on them, fatally wounding Agent Zapata and wounding the second agent.

Several members of the drug cartel were apprehended in Mexico and face charges in connection with Special Agent Zapata's murder.

Special Agent Zapata had served with ICE for four years and had previously served with the United States Border Patrol for just under one year. He is survived by his parents and four brothers, two of whom also serve as federal agents. Source: ODMP Remembers;...

As if the information isn't bad enough, one of our reporters who has spent the last three years working on the border, gathering information on the narco cartels, Robert 'Tosh' Plumlee; blew the whistle on both the gun walking operation, by filing reports to several federal agencies well before Brian Terry's death, and also on a number of bodies in the desert on the U.S. side that officials in New Mexico refuse to investigate. These bodies, mostly skeletal remains, have been fully photographed and documented with a GPS (Global Positioning System) locator by Mr. Plumlee[6].

Also, as revealed in our recent reports, there are major stores in Mexico of what Robert Plumlee refers to as, 'high impact weapons' which include anti-aircraft guns, rocket propelled grenade launchers and mortars. These weapons are of U.S. origin, they are ample and they include the latest and most deadly, the same high tech weaponry currently deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. While not fully tallied, there are reported sites where thousands and thousands of these weapons exist, along with 'knock-off' Mexican army uniforms[11].

He made note of these weapons storage areas while accompanying a recently disclosed U.S./Mexican joint military force that has been battling the cartels south of the U.S. border since 2009. Even reports about this task force were vehemently denied by Mexico, and then later corroborated by a Wikileaks cable[12][13][14].

Not only are we dealing with official, approved U.S. government weapons smuggling programs, undisclosed U.S./Mexican military anti-narco operations, and hardcore lies from the very top of the U.S. governmental structure; it also seems that there is an overriding motivator for destabilizing the U.S. southern border, and in essence extending the need for both the U.S. and Mexican 'wars on drugs'[13][14][15].

Many may ask, why now... why this? What possible reason would justify shipping weapons to 'trace' in Mexico that have no navigational or homing devices? For those who don't know, more than 40,000 people have been murdered in Mexico since the launch of Calderon's drug war.

This is not to say that the Mexican President is not sincere. In fact by most accounts, Calderon is truly trying to help his country that does have a history of corruption, gain the upper hand over the cartels and end the rampant crime.

As we suggested in the article, Is Los Zetas Military Cartel Planning a Bloody Revolution in Mexico?, the push is on for control of Mexico and Los Zetas, a cartel that began three years ago when its founders split away from the Mexican Army Special Forces, 'Los Zetas', is moving toward a full-scale revolution. Robert Plumlee believes the outcome of the 2012 Mexican elections will determine that outcome. Either way, the end results do not look good, particularly with major supplies of brand new U.S. weapons in the Zetas' control.

The Money Trail



Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot and killed near Rio Rico, Arizona, while attempting to apprehend a group of armed subjects. The suspects had been preying on illegal immigrants with the intent to rob them.

Agent Terry and several other agents were attempting to arrest the group when shots were exchanged between the suspects and agents. Agent Terry was struck in the pelvis by a round fired by a suspect armed with an AK-47.

The wounded agent was flown to a hospital where he succumbed early the following morning.

Four members of the group were taken into custody and at least one suspect remains at large.

Agent Terry was a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and had served with the United States Border Patrol for 3.5 years. He had previously served as a police officer with the Lincoln Park, Michigan, Police Department. He is survived by his parents, brother, two sisters, five nieces, and one nephew.

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Los Zetas does not want the drug war to end. They are known for entering drug rehab facilities in Mexico and killing every single person in the building. The end of the drug war would lead to legalization of marijuana as a health treatment on a federal level and this move would devastate the current U.S. pharmaceutical industry. This is the industry that by all logic, would least benefit from an end to the drug wars. This is very likely why Eric Holder reversed the federal government's position last week on state laws over medical marijuana. He says the feds are going to increasingly bust medical cannabis users and program, regardless of state law, as federal law never made any real concessions.

With the government refocusing enforcing laws against sick people who use marijuana, and delivering deadly weapons to Mexico, one of our writers has been causing significant problems for one of the nation's top pharmaceutical companies.

Our writer Marianne Skolek, who lost her daughter to an Oxycontin-related respiratory failure, has been a thorn in the side of Purdue Pharmaceuticals for years, writing articles that continually expose the practices of this company that has been exposed for very serious criminal behavior.

Aided by Marianne's testimony, along with that of others who lost family members to Oxycontin, two U.S. Attorneys convicted several top level Purdue executives for falsely advertising the drug as both non-lethal and non-addictive. That may stand as one of the most outrageous claims ever made by a supposedly legitimate U.S. business.

The connection is that long before Eric Holder was lying to Congress over the U.S. role in Border Patrol and Immigration Customs Enforcement agent's deaths tied to U.S. supplied weapons in Mexico, he was one of a lawyer for Purdue, at this dark point in their business history.

In the article, Eric Holder negotiated an OxyContin settlement in West Virginia - working for Purdue Pharma!, Ms. Skolek reveals how Holder not only shielded Purdue over falsely advertising the drug Oxycontin which has led to tens of thousands of related deaths, but also how his actions in arranging a settlement actually allowed the drug to become the epidemic it is. That is serious.

In 2001, West Virginia Attorney General Darrell McGraw Jr., filed a civil case against Purdue Pharma alleging that the privately held pharmaceutical company had engaged in "coercive and deceptive" marketing of OxyContin. He alleged that Purdue used misleading advertisements and had promoted the inappropriate use of OxyContin for minor pain. His lawsuit further stated that Purdue had offered doctors free trips to “pain management” seminars where the firm pitched the drug as safe and effective for treating minor pain – without mentioning the drug was supposed to be used only for severe pain and easily abused.

McGraw also alleged that Purdue had told “pharmacists that they can get in trouble if they do not fill prescriptions, even if they believe someone may be an abuser of the drug.”

The lawsuit was a big worry to Purdue because they had a lot to lose financially, and that is why they turned to Eric Holder, an attorney with Covington and Burling in Washington, D.C.

As Marianne wrote in her article:

The morning the case was to go to trial, in November 2004, Holder helped negotiate a settlement. Working in the judge’s chambers in West Virginia, he put together an agreement under which the firm would have to pay $10 million over four years into drug abuse and education programs in West Virginia -- and Purdue Pharma would not have to admit any wrongdoing!
Eric Holder managed to keep the criminal activity of Purdue Pharma quiet since there would be no trial and no documents or testimony to be made public. Did Holder's "hands in the pockets of Purdue Pharma" allow this epidemic of OxyContin death and addiction throughout the country to perpetuate? Many people think it did [16].

It seems clear that there are competing factions in the U.S. government and while there are positive motivations in some cases, there are other motivations that are highly detrimental to the future of both countries. Holder seems to be at the center of this.

There are reports of cartels financing U.S. politicians who have ties to the pharmaceutical industry. There are extremely solid reports of caches of large amounts of weapons that are too vast to have "fallen off the back of a truck".

What is lacking is a direct trail on the campaign contributions. It seems AG Holder has demonstrated for the record that he is not willing to tell the truth when under direct examination, and also that he prefers to see companies like Purdue avoid legal responsibility. I don't know what could be more significant when dealing with a lighted fuse situation like the border wars raging along the border that divides the United States and Mexico.

Sources:
[1] Border Patrol Agent's Murder Tied to ATF's Covert Shipment of Over 1700 Weapons to Mexico - Tim King Salem-News.com

[2] Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference - DOJ

[3] The Columbus Indictment... Bill Conroy - The Narcosphere Special to Salem-News

[4] Salem-News Photojournalist with Army Task Force 7 in Mexico threatened with arrest by U.S. Border Patrol - Tosh Plumlee Salem-News.com

[5] 1,800 missing guns…1,800 dead bodies? by Hugh Holub - Views from Baja Arizona

[6] Feds Call Meeting with Journalist Who Reported Human Remains and Cartel Weapon Build up with U.S. Ties - Tim King Salem-News.com

[7] AG Holder grilled on ATF "gunwalker" controversy - CBS News

[8] The Stimulation of Murder - Investor's Business Daily

[9] Read the Stimulus - readthestimulus.org/

[10] Raided Mexican Ranch Linked to U.S. Drug War Corruption - Bill Conroy The Narcosphere

[11] US Special Forces are Operating in Mexico - Salem-News.com

[12] Mexico Denies US Special Forces Presence South of the Border - Tim King Salem-News.com

[13] Is Los Zetas Military Cartel Planning a Bloody Revolution in Mexico? - Tim King Salem-News.com

[14] At Least 40 Killed in Mexico in 24-Hour Period - NY Times

[15] All Hell is Breaking Loose in Mexico - Tim King Salem-News.com

[16] Eric Holder negotiated an OxyContin settlement in West Virginia - working for Purdue Pharma! - Marianne Skolek Salem-News.com

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Tim holds awards for reporting, photography, writing and editing, including the Silver Spoke Award by the National Coalition of Motorcyclists (2011), Excellence in Journalism Award by the Oregon Confederation of Motorcycle Clubs (2010), Oregon AP Award for Spot News Photographer of the Year (2004), First-place Electronic Media Award in Spot News, Las Vegas, (1998), Oregon AP Cooperation Award (1991); and several others including the 2005 Red Cross Good Neighborhood Award for reporting. Tim has several years of experience in network affiliate news TV stations, having worked as a reporter and photographer at NBC, ABC and FOX stations in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon. Tim was a member of the National Press Photographer's Association for several years and is a current member of the Orange County Press Club.

Serving the community in very real terms, Salem-News.com is the nation's only truly independent high traffic news Website. As News Editor, Tim among other things, is responsible for publishing the original content of 93 Salem-News.com writers in more that 20 countries. He reminds viewers that emails are easily missed and urges those trying to reach him, to please send a second email if the first goes unanswered. You can write to Tim at this address: newsroom@salem-news.com. Another way to reach Tim is by leaving a comment on any Salem-News.com story, specify 'message to Tim'


 


 

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Comments
Terry Saulsbury July 10, 2011 4:52 am (Pacific time)
To Moe Hailstone - Mexico is a bigger problem than the U.S. The best answer is to CLOSE the border immediately.

Jon Carry July 10, 2011 3:54 am (Pacific time)
Holder lied, people died.

flash July 10, 2011 3:39 am (Pacific time)
Thank You Salem-- You are on top of a major story that all Americans should know about. Don't let Washington insiders kill our country and cover this up like all the other wrong doings..

Agron Belica July 10, 2011 3:10 am (Pacific time)
This is deep!

Moe Hailstone July 10, 2011 1:30 am (Pacific time)
Mexico should take this to the International criminal Court at The Hague, The Netherlands

Mr. Wright July 10, 2011 12:07 am (Pacific time)
Holder is an Obama ag; therefore, he is allowed to lie.

Glad to clarify........

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