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« Reply #425 on: February 23, 2015, 06:15:04 PM »



Yep...strange that people actually have enough free time to whine about this level of bullshit.



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« Reply #426 on: February 23, 2015, 06:15:55 PM »

Court Rules 'God Bless America' Not Unconstitutional
Amanda Casanova | Religion Today Contributing Writer
Thursday, February 19, 2015

The Florida high school that told a student not to say “God bless America” during morning announcements said this week that the student did not violate the U.S. Constitution.
 
"Upon consultation with legal counsel and review of legal advisories, the Nassau County School District has taken the position that a student's use of the phrase "God Bless America" during the morning announcements at Yulee High School does not violate the Constitution of the United States," the school district said in a statement.
 
Charisma News reports that the student will still have to remain on-script during announcements. The unidentified student has not been named, and according to school officials, he was not punished.
 
"The student in question has been quite cooperative and understands not to add to the script," said Nassau County School District spokeswoman Sharyl Wood.
 
The controversy started when the American Humanist Association sent a six-page letter to the principal at Yulee High School on behalf of two atheist students at the school.
 
In the letter, the Humanist Association said the phrase "God bless America" is a religious message that "is invidious toward atheists and other nonbelievers," and that it violates the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment that "commands a separation of church and state.”

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« Reply #427 on: May 18, 2015, 06:17:46 PM »

Irrational crybabies.   Roll Eyes

Air Force general who spoke of God should be court-martialed, group says
Published May 17, 2015
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An Air Force general who recently spoke about how God has guided his career should be court-martialed, a civil liberties group is saying.

In a speech at a National Day of Prayer Task Force event on May 7, Maj. Gen. Craig Olson credits God for his accomplishments in the military, and refers to himself as a “redeemed believer in Christ.”

The Air Force Times reports that the Military Religious Freedom Foundation has taken issue with Olson’s remarks, is calling for the two-star general to be court-martialed and "aggressively and very visibly brought to justice for his unforgivable crimes and transgressions."


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Air Force Maj. Gen. Craig Olson (US Air Force photo)
The group authored a letter to Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Walsh, arguing that Olson’s speech violates rules within the Air Force, which prohibits airmen from endorsing a particular faith or belief.

The letter, posted on the group’s website, begins, “This demand letter is sent to you on behalf of countless members of the United States Air Force who are utterly disgusted and shocked by the brazenly illicit and wholly unconstitutional, fundamentalist Christian proselytizing recently perpetrated, on international television (“GOD TV”), and streaming all over the Internet and in full military uniform, by USAF Major General Craig S. Olson on Thursday, May 7, 2015 during a VERY public speech for a private Christian organization (The “National Day of Prayer Task Force”: NDPTF) headed up by Focus on the Family founder, Dr. James Dobson’s, wife Shirley Dobson. “

". . . disgusted and shocked by the brazenly illicit and wholly unconstitutional, fundamentalist Christian proselytizing . . ."

- letter from Military Religious Freedom Foundation
The group, which believes that the American flag and the U.S. Constitution are the only religious symbol and scripture, respectively, for those who serve in the military, also wants other service members who helped Olson to be investigated and punished "to the full extent of military law."

During Olson’s 23-minute talk, the Air Force Times reports, Olson spoke of "flying complex aircraft; doing complex nuclear missions — I have no ability to do that. God enabled me to do that."

"He put me in charge of failing programs worth billions of dollars,” Olson said. “I have no ability to do that, no training to do that. God did that. He sent me to Iraq to negotiate foreign military sales deals through an Arabic interpreter. I have no ability to do that. I was not trained to do that. God did all of that."

At the end of his speech, Olson asked those in attendance to pray for Defense Department leaders and troops preparing to be deployed.

Olson is the program executive officer at Hanscom Air Force Base in Massachusetts, where he is responsible for more than 2,200 personnel, according to the U.S. Air Force website. He was commissioned in 1982 following graduation from the U.S. Air Force Academy and has extensive operational, flight test and acquisition experience.

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« Reply #428 on: May 18, 2015, 10:08:47 PM »

That's a bit of an overreaction. He gave this speech on his own time, right? Although, frankly, he ought to be demoted for - by his own admission - not having the qualifications for the position he holds.
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« Reply #429 on: May 20, 2015, 07:15:31 AM »

That's a bit of an overreaction. He gave this speech on his own time, right? Although, frankly, he ought to be demoted for - by his own admission - not having the qualifications for the position he holds.

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« Reply #430 on: May 20, 2015, 09:42:09 AM »

That's a bit of an overreaction. He gave this speech on his own time, right? Although, frankly, he ought to be demoted for - by his own admission - not having the qualifications for the position he holds.

Let's not get all factual and common sense-y ok?
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« Reply #431 on: May 20, 2015, 09:43:30 AM »

That's a bit of an overreaction. He gave this speech on his own time, right? Although, frankly, he ought to be demoted for - by his own admission - not having the qualifications for the position he holds.

I understand where he's coming from.  Not trying to turn this into a religious discussion, but it's that Christian humility that acknowledges every good thing comes from above.  I just read comments by a Christian I know from Harlem who talked about all of his world travel, military and civilian success, and incredible life after growing up without a father in the hood, and how none of that would have been possible without God's grace.  You obviously don't have to agree, but that's a pretty common Christian viewpoint.  It's not any kind of acknowledgement of incompetence.  

But regarding the story, they are a bunch of hypersensitive and insecure folks to get so offended over a few comments in a speech.
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« Reply #432 on: May 20, 2015, 10:17:09 AM »

I understand where he's coming from.  Not trying to turn this into a religious discussion, but it's that Christian humility that acknowledges every good thing comes from above.  I just read comments by a Christian I know from Harlem who talked about all of his world travel, military and civilian success, and incredible life after growing up without a father in the hood, and how none of that would have been possible without God's grace.  You obviously don't have to agree, but that's a pretty common Christian viewpoint.  It's not any kind of acknowledgement of incompetence.  

But regarding the story, they are a bunch of hypersensitive and insecure folks to get so offended over a few comments in a speech.

My concern, is if God were to suddenly die tomorrow, this guy might fly a complex nuclear machine into a city. You can say that God won't die, but the bumper sticker "With God, All things are possible" refutes that.  Smiley
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« Reply #433 on: May 20, 2015, 10:28:52 AM »

My concern, is if God were to suddenly die tomorrow, this guy might fly a complex nuclear machine into a city. You can say that God won't die, but the bumper sticker "With God, All things are possible" refutes that.  Smiley

I guess anything is possible.   Smiley
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« Reply #434 on: May 20, 2015, 10:47:43 AM »

I understand where he's coming from.  Not trying to turn this into a religious discussion, but it's that Christian humility that acknowledges every good thing comes from above.  I just read comments by a Christian I know from Harlem who talked about all of his world travel, military and civilian success, and incredible life after growing up without a father in the hood, and how none of that would have been possible without God's grace.  You obviously don't have to agree, but that's a pretty common Christian viewpoint.  It's not any kind of acknowledgement of incompetence.  

But regarding the story, they are a bunch of hypersensitive and insecure folks to get so offended over a few comments in a speech.

I agree it's an overreaction. But I find this "Christian humility" stuff to be mumbo-jumbo for a number of reasons.

First, there's a difference between being humble and claiming to be worthless and completely dependent on someone else. I understand that many Christians do see themselves that way - and some flavors encourage this viewpoint - but it's still a fucked up way to see oneself.

Second, is the issue Agnostic007 brought up. If this guy is completely and utterly incapable and unqualified to do the job - which is what he admits based on a plain reading of his words, then what happens if one day he's doing something important and God is distracted?

Lastly, what is he suggesting? Well, basically that the Air Force training and evaluation programs are shit. Should that be a cause for concern? Or will God spot us there too?
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« Reply #435 on: May 20, 2015, 11:52:31 AM »

I agree it's an overreaction. But I find this "Christian humility" stuff to be mumbo-jumbo for a number of reasons.

First, there's a difference between being humble and claiming to be worthless and completely dependent on someone else. I understand that many Christians do see themselves that way - and some flavors encourage this viewpoint - but it's still a fucked up way to see oneself.

Second, is the issue Agnostic007 brought up. If this guy is completely and utterly incapable and unqualified to do the job - which is what he admits based on a plain reading of his words, then what happens if one day he's doing something important and God is distracted?

Lastly, what is he suggesting? Well, basically that the Air Force training and evaluation programs are shit. Should that be a cause for concern? Or will God spot us there too?

Exactly.  Why train in the first place?  Just throw up a prayer and let God do the rest.

It's the same thing when people credit God with things he had no part in anyway.    You graduated from college?  Just prayed and never studied, God took your test for you.  Beat cancer?  It was God, not the doctors, technology and/or the cancer itself for going away.   Became successful?  Nothing about skill, motivation or even luck.  Just put a quarter in the collection plate and God will reward you tenfold. 

People who do this are generally insecure and have low self esteem.  They don't feel as though they are worthy enough for the credit of their own hard work or luck, so they have to offer it to someone else.
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« Reply #436 on: May 20, 2015, 12:02:40 PM »

I agree it's an overreaction. But I find this "Christian humility" stuff to be mumbo-jumbo for a number of reasons.

First, there's a difference between being humble and claiming to be worthless and completely dependent on someone else. I understand that many Christians do see themselves that way - and some flavors encourage this viewpoint - but it's still a fucked up way to see oneself.

Second, is the issue Agnostic007 brought up. If this guy is completely and utterly incapable and unqualified to do the job - which is what he admits based on a plain reading of his words, then what happens if one day he's doing something important and God is distracted?

Lastly, what is he suggesting? Well, basically that the Air Force training and evaluation programs are shit. Should that be a cause for concern? Or will God spot us there too?

It's not about being completely dependent on "someone else."  It's about being completely dependent on a higher authority/being.  That's precisely what the Bible/Christianity teaches.  That doesn't mean you don't work hard, study, train, learn, and do everything in your power to try and excel (also something the Bible teaches).   

But like I said, you don't have to agree with that teaching or belief.  It's really about respecting differences.  That's what the people in the story (and many like them) are apparently incapable of doing. 
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« Reply #437 on: May 20, 2015, 01:20:03 PM »

Ahh... apologetics.
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« Reply #438 on: May 20, 2015, 01:27:03 PM »

Meh.  Call it whatever you want.  I don't consider this some kind of debate.  It's just a discussion.  An exchange of ideas.  Maybe somebody reading it can learn something, or have a better appreciation for how to deal with things they disagree with. 
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« Reply #439 on: May 20, 2015, 05:43:10 PM »

   

But like I said, you don't have to agree with that teaching or belief.  It's really about respecting differences.  That's what the people in the story (and many like them) are apparently incapable of doing. 


That's exactly what religion can't seem to do.

That's why they can't leave gay people alone, that's why they can't leave a woman's body to herself.
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« Reply #440 on: May 20, 2015, 06:01:07 PM »


That's exactly what religion can't seem to do.

That's why they can't leave gay people alone, that's why they can't leave a woman's body to herself.

In what way is "religion" not leaving gay people alone?  Or not leaving "a woman's body to herself"? 
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« Reply #441 on: May 21, 2015, 07:41:46 AM »

3 recent situations really drive home the point to me Christians are almost mindless in their belief.

1. Friend of mine gets diagnosed with cancer Jan 12. Email and FB strings start flying, sending prayers... and they have faith god will heal him. By mid Feb he is really going down hill... More emails.. "This is the time to pray for our brother, I have faith god will heal him" stuff. End of April... he passes away.. MORE emails sending prayers for his family

2. Co-workers daughter has cancer. They spend lots of money and lots of trips to MD Anderson. Doctors treat her, she is knocked the hell down to almost nothing with Chemo... 18 months of miserable times, cancer is gone, cancer comes back... finally they get an all good test back after 10's of thousands of dollars and extensive medical treatment. His post yesterday "God is Great!"

3. Atheist friend has  cancer and through sloppy work by a doctor in the initial discovery it is allowed to spread. It's been 5 yrs , he's been on deaths door a couple times, his Christian friends feel this is a perfect time to preach god to him. He doesn't see their evidence as plausible and remains atheist. Today he is recovering and doing very well..


At what point is it ok for someone to say "Can we stop pretending prayer works for Christ sake?"   
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« Reply #442 on: September 01, 2015, 10:01:24 AM »

Court: Jesus Statue Will Remain on Montana Mountain Top

Image: Court: Jesus Statue Will Remain on Montana Mountain Top 'Big Mountain Jesus' on Montana mountaintop. (AP)
By Cathy Burke   
Monday, 31 Aug 2015

A revered memorial to World War II veterans known as Big Mountain Jesus may stay atop a Montana ski resort in the Flathead National Forest, a three-judge appeals panel has ruled.

In its Monday decision, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a district court ruling allowing the 12-foot-high statue and memorial to stay on the federally owned property near Kalispell, Mont., the Christian Post reports.

While the 60-year-old statue has a religious appearance, the display's purposes are secular, the panel decided. The monument is on public land the U.S. Forest Service leases to a private organization, the Missoulian reports.

According to the Christian Post, the Madison, Wis.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation filed a lawsuit in 2012 to have Big Mountain Jesus removed, arguing the statue on public land violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution.

"The government identified secular rationales for its continued authorization including the statue's cultural and historical significance for veterans, Montanans, and tourists; the statue's inclusion in the National Register of Historic Places; and the government's intent to preserve the site 'as a historic part of the resort,'" according to the decision, posted by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.

"Although the dissent focuses on the monument's appearance, that the statue is of a religious figure, and that some of the initial impetus for the statue's placement was religiously motivated, does not end the matter."

A lawyer for the public-interest legal and educational institute hailed the decision.

"Today’s decision rejects the idea that history and the First Amendment ought to be enemies," Eric Baxter, senior lawyer of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said in a statement.

"Freedom From Religion Foundation wanted to use the First Amendment to erase Big Mountain Jesus from memory, even though it is, as the Court recognized, a crucial part of the history of Montana. Thank goodness for common sense."

The statue of Jesus with his arms outstretched was erected in 1953 by a Knights of Columbus chapter to commemorate WWII vets. It was privately maintained, the Christian Post reports.

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