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« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2018, 05:52:35 PM »

Yes, many people called Obama many things because they don't like him, even hate him.  I never thought or said Obama was a Muslim or a non-citizen.  I never thought or said Obama was gay, until Obama admitted it himself in his biography.

I was just surprised you'd say someone was lying about Obama's gayness when Obama himself had admitted to it.

Ok.. last time... provide proof that Obama admitted he was gay in his biography. This is getting ludicrous
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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2018, 01:12:22 AM »

SHERIF lies often. He says without any real proof that Obama is gay, a Muslim and not a citizen. I can understand disliking someone, I don't get the need to lie about them for no apparent reason. I notice no conservatives call him out for it... in fact, a few seem to want to defend him for lying. I see a pattern.

Since you are relying on some vague comment in the book to determine that Obama is gay and Sherif is noble.. please point out from that book where Garrows after 9 years of intense research, finds that Obama is a Muslim and not a US citizen. I'll wait

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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2018, 01:27:31 AM »

Ok.. last time... provide proof that Obama admitted he was gay in his biography. This is getting ludicrous

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« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2018, 05:05:49 AM »

Are We Waking Up from the Diplomacy Delusion?
Frontnpagemagazine ^ | May 10, 2018 | Bruce Thornton
Posted on 5/10/2018, 8:28:12 AM by SJackson

The real path to a more peaceful world.

President Trump this week withdrew the United States from the disastrous nuclear deal with Iran. It’s about time. In the long history of delusional diplomatic agreements, Obama’s pact with the genocidal mullahs to halt their development of nuclear weapons was was one of the worst since Neville Chamberlain handed Czechoslovakia over to Nazi Germany. Like Trump’s abandoning of the feckless Paris Climate Accords, ending the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action may contribute to a needed reevaluation of the West’s antique paradigm of diplomatic engagement as the best way to stop aggression and protect our country’s interests and security.

The Europeans, of course, are unhappy. They’ve been doing a bustling business with Iran ever since Obama delivered $1.7 billion in cash on pallets as the payola to the mullahs for going along with the charade. At home, the evangelical internationalists of both parties and the foreign policy establishment are caterwauling, with grim predictions of doom of the sort we heard about North Korea until Kim, his mind apparently focused by Trump’s tough talk, agreed to meet with the president.

They all assert that Trump’s move is counterproductive, that under the watchful eye of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the agreement was working and that Iran had stopped it progress. Not counting ballistic missiles, of course. Now, they warn, Iran is free to start the program back up and obtain a weapon sooner than they would have if the deal remained.

This is what counts as a diplomatic triumph for delusional internationalists: for nearly forty years, a brutal, apocalyptic, fanatical cult has been at declared war on us, threatened our closest ally Israel with genocide, murdered our troops, kidnapped our citizens, fomented terrorism across the world, and declared openly and repeatedly its hatred of us and its intentions to harm our interests––this failing state that brutalizes its own citizens and rampages throughout the Middle East will see its acquisition of nuclear weapons delayed for maybe a decade.

Forget the lies of the plan’s supporters, forget the despicable John Kerry, whose began his political career in the seventies by cozying up to the brutal North Vietnamese and slandering his comrades, and lately graduated to giving comfort and aid to another enemy. Forget the talk about us not keeping our word, when the only “word” that counts in international relations is a treaty ratified by our Senate. Forget the bipartisan gaggle of apologists who either are lying about the efficacy of the plan, or are terminally naïve. The only sure fact we know is that we have no real clue what Iran has been up to over the last few years. We don’t know how much progress they have secretly made as they have pretended to comply with the terms of the agreement.

That’s because the only way to know is to demand intrusive, unannounced inspections without limits on what to inspect. But Obama discarded that trump without even playing it.

Consider carefully The Wall Street Journal’s wording in its brief for the deal: “Most experts believe that the accord largely ensured that by removing roughly 98% of Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile, mothballing two-thirds of its uranium-spinning centrifuges, limiting research and development, and removing the core of the Arak reactor.” Not “know” or “have confirmed,” but “believe.” Apparently, many foreign policy wizards in this country and Europe are willing to roll the nuclear device based on an unverified “belief.” This is nearly as feckless as Neville Chamberlain telling his cabinet that Hitler “would not deliberately deceive a man whom he respected and with whom he had been in negotiation.” Maybe that’s why John Kerry has been canoodling with Iranian foreign minister Mohammed Javad Zarif, the slick and soothing “moderate” who pulled off this diplomatic swindle.

Worse yet, even if the Iranians have complied, so what? The fatal flaw of the agreement––that it terms out after a mere decade––is that it won’t keep the regime from the bomb, but merely delay it. Analysts disagree over how quickly the Iranians could create a nuclear device and a delivery system, but the main point is that deal or not, they possess and will keep all the infrastructure, enriched uranium, equipment, and technical know-how, along with help from Pakistan and North Korea, necessary eventually to succeed.

But we can be sure that the Iranians have cheated and lied, just as they cheated and lied to the world about not pursuing nuclear weapons program, a fact we know definitively because the Israelis, our only ally that seems to know what it’s doing and understands the hard world we live, stole 100,000 documents from under the mullah’s noses. The apologists, of course, brush that away as old news. Since the agreement, the Iranians have been the souls of honesty and rectitude, obeying every jot and tittle of the agreement they signed in faith.

Again, how do we know? We don’t. We just trust but don’t verify. But history tells us that every significant arms reduction or arms control agreement has been violated by most of the signatories. Germany in the twenties and thirties, the Soviet Union and Russia for decades, Saddam Hussein in the nineties, North Korea for the last thirty years, and now the Iranians. Especially the Iranians, given that they have not allowed inspectors unannounced access to all suspected facilities. And even with more intrusive inspections, we can’t be completely sure we’ve seen everything. Hussein managed to rope-a-dope international inspectors and intelligence agencies for several years until he just kicked them all out, even while Iraq was occupied by foreign troops, its army had been degraded and disarmed, and two-thirds of its country’s air-space dominated by its enemies. Only after the George Bush coalition invaded and removed Saddam from power in 2003 did we finally know for sure he had only a program.

No doubt numerous dire consequences will be prophesized by the disappointed keepers of worn-out foreign policy paradigms. Iran will restart its program! Though we don’t know if it’s even slowed it down that much. So it will get sooner rather than later what the deal already gave it. The Europeans will go their own way, refusing to cooperate with reimposed economic sanctions! As though we don’t have powerful economic incentives to concentrate the minds of E.U countries currently underperforming economically and facing intensifying resistance to Brussel’s high-handed ways. Iran might resort to terrorist attacks! Which suggests they have been restraining themselves lately, even as they have been brutally rampaging throughout the Middle East, empowering the terrorist gang Hezbollah, propping up the mass-murdering Assad, hijacking Lebanon, and threatening Saudi Arabia from Yemen.

On the other hand, turning off the economic respirator and restoring the deterrence that the feckless Obama squandered could have other, more positive effects. Reimposing sanctions could further weaken Iran’s economy, and increase its people’s anger over the ruling elite’s corruption, galvanizing the forces for regime change. Iran might provide some casus belli in the Gulf that could give us an opportunity to teach them the grim wages of arousing America’s might. Or Iran could lash out at Israel, which would invite a response they are unlikely to survive––especially if the U.S. keeps its nerve and backs Israel up with action rather than empty threats and Security Council tsk-tsking.

Obama’s bad agreement, however, is just climax of a bipartisan failure to accept the eternal lesson that weakness and restraint in the face of an aggressor only breed more aggression. We have never punished Iran for its offenses against our interests and honor: the hostage crisis, when Jimmy Carter dithered then paid ransom to Khomeini; the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon, when the Reagan administration did not punish the Iranian-backed perpetrators, a failure that disgusted even the French who did strafe and bomb the camps in the Bekaa Valley over the attack on their embassy; the training, munitions, and money supplied to al Qaeda and other jihadist groups who have killed our troops in Iran and Afghanistan; and its continual support, throughout the region and beyond, for terrorist outfits targeting us and our allies. And, of course, Barack Obama’s groveling appeasement of them that has brought us to this pass, when time is running out, and the consequences of a nuclear-armed Iran are so severe for our interest and security, and those of our regional friends and allies.

Trump’s rejection of this deal can be the first step––and only a step–– in restoring our confident independence and willingness to take action when our security and interests are threatened. It must be followed up, however, with attention-getting action when it’s needed, with all the risk and uncertainty force always entails.

For a century we have indulged delusional fantasies, serially discredited by history, that multilateral negotiated agreements can give us the luxury of not having to take the politically risky and costly action required to stop aggression. It’s time to awaken from our foreign policy dogmatic slumbers. Returning our foreign policy to the tragic realism that, as Plato said, “war is the natural state of relations among states, and peace is just a name,” will restore our prestige, strengthen our power of deterrence, and create not world peace, but a more peaceful world.
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« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2018, 07:23:54 AM »

IDF attacks dozens of Iranian targets in Syria
Israel National News ^ | May 10, 2018 (Israel) | Uzi Baruch and Kobi Finkler
Posted on 5/9/2018, 11:44:25 PM by familyop

...targets...Iranian intelligence sites...Logistics headquarters...military compound and logistics complex...An Iranian military camp...Weapons storage sites...at Damascus International Airport...Intelligence systems and installations...Observat ion, military posts...Iranian launcher...

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« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2018, 11:49:20 AM »

Already did.

No, you didn't. You obviously think you did, but you didn't. An alleged letter written to a girlfriend alleging he "considered and thought about gayness" which is stupid on its face value, is not Obama admitting he was gay.
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« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2018, 12:21:35 PM »

No, you didn't. You obviously think you did, but you didn't. An alleged letter written to a girlfriend alleging he "considered and thought about gayness" which is stupid on its face value, is not Obama admitting he was gay.

Obama wrote the letter, the author wrote in Obama's biography.  If you want to call the author a liar, go ahead.  I don't care.

However, I have no reason to believe a liberal, American historian and accomplished author would lie about something like that, especially when Obama or anyone representing Obama won't deny it.
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« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2018, 03:06:47 PM »

Obama wrote the letter, the author wrote in Obama's biography.  If you want to call the author a liar, go ahead.  I don't care.

However, I have no reason to believe a liberal, American historian and accomplished author would lie about something like that, especially when Obama or anyone representing Obama won't deny it.

Ok, I have a pretty clear reference on your bar on believing things, so we can agree Trump is racist.
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« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2018, 03:45:27 PM »

Ok, I have a pretty clear reference on your bar on believing things, so we can agree Trump is racist.

Has Trump admitted to being a racist?  Has a conservative, American historian and accomplished author written a biography of Trump in which he/she says Trump wrote a letter to someone in which he admits to being racist?

I did read that Trump's ex wife said that Trump isn't racist.  She knows Trump and has said bad things about him before.  Not sure why she would lie about this.
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« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2018, 04:15:36 PM »

Has Trump admitted to being a racist?  Has a conservative, American historian and accomplished author written a biography of Trump in which he/she says Trump wrote a letter to someone in which he admits to being racist?

I did read that Trump's ex wife said that Trump isn't racist.  She knows Trump and has said bad things about him before.  Not sure why she would lie about this.

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« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2018, 04:23:24 PM »

we're done here Loco

Good to know.
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« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2018, 04:28:27 PM »

Chandu.   Larry Sinclaire , the professor , the way he throws a ball , he’s a fairy.   It’s ok just he should stop w the fake pretense marriage to the Wookiee

Obama so loves the cock.

Oh, the cock.
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« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2018, 05:36:58 PM »

Obama so loves the cock.

Oh, the cock.
Pretty sure by the way he did DB side laterals he was a little light in the loafers.
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« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2018, 08:37:01 PM »

Pretty sure by the way he did DB side laterals he was a little light in the loafers.

typical right winger comment
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« Reply #89 on: May 12, 2018, 04:47:16 PM »

typical right winger comment

Criticising gays and their workout form is definitely right wing. You say that like it's a bad thing.... continue to be queer with bad form


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« Reply #90 on: May 12, 2018, 05:56:05 PM »

Ok.. last time... provide proof that Obama admitted he was gay in his biography. This is getting ludicrous

https://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Larry-Sinclair-Cocaine/dp/0615345069

he legalized gay marriage
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« Reply #91 on: May 12, 2018, 08:20:44 PM »


Thats like saying Trump signed an executive order getting vets health care so he must like Vets getting hurt. But you knew that
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« Reply #92 on: May 12, 2018, 09:49:29 PM »

Thats like saying Trump signed an executive order getting vets health care so he must like Vets getting hurt. But you knew that

he legalized gay marriage
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« Reply #93 on: May 12, 2018, 10:19:32 PM »

he legalized gay marriage

Sorry, that's not proof he is gay. That's just proof he's a decent human being
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« Reply #94 on: May 13, 2018, 11:05:41 AM »

Already did.

I haven't followed this thread for a couple of days

Did you post a copy of the letter and proof that Obama wrote it?
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« Reply #95 on: May 14, 2018, 08:06:38 AM »

Interesting

https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/993932711315329025
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