The truth about protien, natural vs. juiced

[Firemuscle]

 Lately i've been thinking that protien powders and high protiend diets are only useful if you are juiced.

 If you are natural, I think you end up just shitting most of that protien right back out and your body doesn't put it to use.

 I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.

 Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.

 Juicers. You guys can use that protien, you go ahead and eat your 300 grams per day.

[ygbodybuilder10]

well protein powder is my main source of protein and i'm natural

[Firemuscle]

well protein powder is my main source of protein and i'm natural

 I'm not talking about protien powders specifically, i'm talking protien in general.

 I think most natural bodybuilders could consume a normal amount of protien and still grow all the same. 40-80 grams is good enough. No need to go for like 200 or 300 grams as a natural.

[BIG ACH]

I disagree....  High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....

I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!

I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein!  I see much better/faster gains!

[basil]

Balanced diet works for me.  I'm sitting at ~195lbs with visible abs at 5'10, and I don't gorge myself on protein.  I'm lucky if I get 140-50g a day, and I've had no problem increasing lean bodyweight.  Lots of fruit, veggies, nuts, fish.  I shit twice a day.  Like clockwork, first thing in the morning and again around 3pm.  

Lately i've been thinking that protien powders and high protiend diets are only useful if you are juiced.

 If you are natural, I think you end up just shitting most of that protien right back out and your body doesn't put it to use.

 I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.

 Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.

 Juicers. You guys can use that protien, you go ahead and eat your 300 grams per day.

[dustin]

Juiced or natty, needs to be higher than the current pussy recommendation. But it doesn't need to be anywhere near what Liar Dante proposes.

Did mega protein for years thinking it helped, but I had the same results when I scaled it back. I drink one or two shakes a day because I genuinely like protein powders, then a big protein meal or two. Badda bing, badda boom.

[Firemuscle]

I disagree....  High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....

I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!

I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein!  I see much better/faster gains!

 Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.

 Now i'll eat 3x per day like a normal human being.

 Also. you ain't natural. You have hormones in your system which allow you to put that protien to good use in your body.

[gh15]

I disagree....  High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....

I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!

I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein!  I see much better/faster gains!

only when horminized friend,,only when hormonized,,for natural it wont matter and wont make slight difference ,,i trained much better talented fellas than you ,,italian stalions,,still coudnt break 180 9% with out halodrol steroid product or something of the such,,they were just 180 9-10% all of them ,,,5'9 5'10 ,,they just couldnt get past 180 185 10percent with out the use of hormones,,so many and way more gifted than youll ever be ,,they had not the middle east shawarma genetic but they had italian solid dry and lean genetic with not much water held and very little fat,,and even they couldnt get pas 180 9% and 5;10!!! ,,not possible for natural,,and they ate all the kitchen upside down and guess what...they shitted is in the morning 6 times before they even yawned!

dont lie to those fellas,,your need to hide the truth is understood but its real bad when you choose to do this,,they need to knwo the truth,,they need to know that the only way to look like you offseason or competition atleast from picture i see is to do somewhat of hormoniaition ,,doesnt have to be mega dose or anything but some hormonization and yes PRO HORMONE HALODROL AND SUPERDROL = PURE STEROIDS 2 OF THE STRONGEST ONES..anyone who eat 400gram protien a day as true natural will sit in restroom with big big diareah ,,and also will have problem with digestive system on regular basis from farts to other comlications ,,human body doesnt want it naturally even on hormones no need for more than 2gram per pound of lean muscle unless on mega doses of hgh then its little different

and what you use dont call pro hormones ,,it is the market name for them but the real name is DEISGNER STEROIDS WHICH IS LEGAL TERM FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS THAT HASNT BEEN BANNED BUT LATEER ON DID ,,HARSHEST AND STRONGEST SHIT IN ORAL DEPARTMENT ,,BUT you used more than that

gh15 approved

[Firemuscle]

only when horminized friend,,only when hormonized,,for natural it wont matter and wont make slight difference ,,i trained much better talented fellas than you ,,italian stalions,,still coudnt break 180 9% with out halodrol steroid product or something of the such,,they were just 180 9-10% all of them ,,,5'9 5'10 ,,they just couldnt get past 180 185 10percent with out the use of hormones,,so many and way more gifted than youll ever be ,,they had not the middle east shawarma genetic but they had italian solid dry and lean genetic with not much water held and very little fat,,and even they couldnt get pas 180 9% and 5;10!!! ,,not possible for natural,,and they ate all the kitchen upside down and guess what...they shitted is in the morning 6 times before they even yawned!

dont lie to those fellas,,your need to hide the truth is understood but its real bad when you choose to do this,,they need to knwo the truth,,they need to know that the only way to look like you offseason or competition atleast from picture i see is to do somewhat of hormoniaition ,,doesnt have to be mega dose or anything but some hormonization and yes PRO HORMONE HALODROL AND SUPERDROL = PURE STEROIDS 2 OF THE STRONGEST ONES

gh15 approved

gh15 approved

 Exactly.

[BIG ACH]

Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.

That is true, I get soooo gassy when I'm taking in a ton of protein, and running to the bathroom ever half hour!  But the gains come faster I always feel!

[basil]

A few years ago, I was eating 18 egg white 6 yolks a day.  Did that for about 3 days, didn't shit for about 5 days.  The gut discomfort was unforgettable.  Felt like using a plumbers snake up my arse to get things moving.

Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.

 Now i'll eat 3x per day like a normal human being.

 Also. you ain't natural. You have hormones in your system which allow you to put that protien to good use in your body.

[Firemuscle]

A few years ago, I was eating 18 egg white 6 yolks a day.  Did that for about 3 days, didn't shit for about 5 days.  The gut discomfort was unforgettable.  Felt like using a plumbers snake up my arse to get things moving.

 Try a hot water enema with a little salt in it.

 As an added bonus, You might have a prostate orgasm and squirt jizz all over yourself 

[dyslexic]

Extra calories that aren't used can still convert to fat. I really don't care what teh "studies" show. It's a fact. Been there, did that.



Extra protein = Bullshit

Extra Protein with synthetic exogenous ingestion = optimal usage of juice (more gains)

[buselmo]

they had not the middle east shawarma genetic

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[3Dkiller]

Best protein Deca nuff said

[cephissus]

Juiced or natty, needs to be higher than the current pussy recommendation. But it doesn't need to be anywhere near what Liar Dante proposes.

Did mega protein for years thinking it helped, but I had the same results when I scaled it back. I drink one or two shakes a day because I genuinely like protein powders, then a big protein meal or two. Badda bing, badda boom.

I think most people go through this same thing.

I also think a lot of people are too afraid to lower the protein.  We somehow get the idea that everything must be optimal, and we won't make any sacrifice no matter how ridiculous our lives become.  Whether it's eating 550 grams of protein a day, 6500+ calories, doing tons of working sets, doing two working sets, working out every day, working out three days a week... there is a period in most bodybuilders' lives where they become convinced each of these (often contradictory) things are essential, and are terrified to cut back on them even slightly.

And yes, at some point, I was convinced that every one of those things I listed was essential.

[Meso_z]

I eat around 300.534324995239874 when on and 230.14678-250.43510894 when off.

[WillGrant]

well protein powder is my main source of protein and i'm natural

no you are not 

[Meso_z]

no you are not  

Do you mean hes as natural as two men walking hand-to-hand down the street?

[WillGrant]

Do you mean hes as natural as two men walking hand-to-hand down the street?

He is as natural as cock flavoured popsicles

[Meso_z]

He is as natural as cock flavoured popsicles

hmmm, i might be wrong but you mean that "ygbodybuilder10" is the kind of guy who whores himself on cam to afford his "main source of protein"?

[FREAKgeek]

 I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.

I agree. All the supplement industries try to convince you that you're desperately deficient, or unable to utilize it. It's all about being rational about it. You didn't need protein supplements to grow up into adulthood and the metabolic demands for that is much greater.

[The Grim Lifter]

You don't need that much.

High protein is pushed by almost everyone because they all benefit financially in some way. Magazines, Retailers, Suppliers etc.

Until you try something yourself you never know.

[Tito24]

Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.

 Now i'll eat 3x per day like a normal human being.

 

yes and muscle gaining wise it doesnt matter shit

[dj181]

During the summer I got caught up in this 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight mantra, and it didn't do jack shit for me. Later, I said fuck it, and just ate "normally" which was closer to .5 grams per bodyweight, and guess what? I got bigger, particularly my chest and back. Lesson learned: HARD AND CONSISTANT TRAINING IS KING, while "diet" means fuck all and only plays about a 5% role while effective training, ie. progressive overload plays a role of 95% and maybe even up to 98%