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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2011, 12:41:02 PM »
Wise move or desperate move?

http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/20/att-to-acquire-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/


This just sealed the deal , can't wait until my T-Mobile contract is up

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2011, 12:42:43 PM »
This just sealed the deal , can't wait until my T-Mobile contract is up

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 12:42:48 PM »
This just sealed the deal , can't wait until my T-Mobile contract is up
Switching to Verizon I assume?
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 12:43:45 PM »
VERIZON ALL DAY LONG!!  8)
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 12:44:03 PM »
i read that as $398 and thought wtf

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 12:44:48 PM »
Douglas, Michigan hanging tough in the first half


They will blow it.  :'( :'(  >:( >:(
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 12:46:52 PM »
i read that as $398 and thought wtf
;D I would've got in on that bidding
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 12:47:49 PM »

They will blow it.  :'( :'(  >:( >:(
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 12:49:00 PM »
I read about that this morning, I've had tmobil for almost 9 years with no problems, let's see!

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 12:50:28 PM »
What are your thoughts on the Fab Five documentary?

Grant Hill is a Bitch and it is known that Ed Martin did not give C-Webb shit while at Michigan.  8) Michigan gave into the NCAA and i do not mind that Chris does not give anything back to AA because he does not owe MICHIGAN shit.
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 01:09:23 PM »
Wise move or desperate move?

http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/20/att-to-acquire-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/


Bad move for consumers, but very smart move by AT&T (assuming they can afford this). I didn't think they were doing that well. :-\

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 01:12:34 PM »
Bad move for consumers, but very smart move by AT&T (assuming they can afford this). I didn't think they were doing that well. :-\
Bay - Since they introduced the iPhone there stock has decreased in value year over year. I say this is a desperate move, we shall see.
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011, 01:19:38 PM »
Bay - Since they introduced the iPhone there stock has decreased in value year over year. I say this is a desperate move, we shall see.

I would not call anyone with $25 billion in cash (the balance will be paid with AT&T stock) on hand "desperate" but as you said... we shall see.

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2011, 01:32:32 PM »
Hey need to figure out how to have better coverage---effing dropped calls.

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2011, 10:34:38 PM »
Hurray, AT&T announces bandwidth caps of 250gb a month and now this. AT&T: Hi, I'm going to take this 1.3 billion dollars (began in 2007) worth of federal money that I was supposed to use to increase infrastructure, but instead I'm just going to make excuses that it can't be done and go for the easy cash grab. Thanks guys! Verizon was given 1.27 billion dollars also. If I remember correctly over 8 billions dollars of tax payer money was given out across various telecoms to get our infrastructure resembling something of a first world country. Hey, let's just take a step back instead!

And some of will argue "how would I ever use 250gb!". Pretty sure you may have asked "how would I use 5gb!" back in the dial up days too, eh?

Their cap: http://www.reelseo.com/att-dsl-uverse-bandwidth-cap-detrimental-online-video/

Here is that 8 billion: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2010/07/att_verizon_get_most_federal_a.html

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 06:34:35 AM »

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2011, 06:51:28 AM »
its always about profit taking and making stockholders/investors happy... this move was done to assure (less competition= more profits) and now having just two major provider in this country...its a monopoly... in a century in which telecommunications will be approaching a hundred billion dollar industry...there's a lot of cake to be made...  I actually think that alot of "Virgin" mobile deals are great for minimalist people (like me).... effing Americans are just too lazy to switch to a better provider or a better value... why not just pay the money instead of the hassle....  pshhh  .........  If the prices of comp. hardware and software gets cheaper with the same value...  why doesn't our phone bills compromise to this....      Im not a hater nor am I against consumerism....  But I always wonder what my friends... who are not even on the Tech field use their Iphone for.... aside from facebook and twitter & getbig...lol...  American Consumerism and Society is fuuuckd...    :-\

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2011, 08:30:39 AM »
they overpaid by 38 billion.


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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2011, 09:17:21 AM »
yea!! better at&t coverage. :)
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2011, 10:18:00 AM »
yea!! better at&t coverage. :)

exactly

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2011, 10:33:52 AM »
yea!! better at&t coverage. :)

Aren't you the guy who was sitting in a AT&T center in San Antonio and could not get shit for reception? 
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2011, 02:28:21 PM »
Aren't you the guy who was sitting in a AT&T center in San Antonio and could not get shit for reception? 
yup. T-mobile users could tho. Therefore, i will be able to get reception in about a year. :)
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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2011, 03:41:36 PM »
How the iPhone Led to the Sale of T-Mobile USA
By KEVIN O'BRIEN

BERLIN — Deutsche Telekom’s announcement over the weekend to sell its American wireless unit, T-Mobile USA, to AT&T for $39 billion ended a decade-long foray into the American market that was undermined, in part, by one big event: the advent of the iPhone.

Until Apple introduced its highly popular touchscreen device in 2007, which went on to become the world’s leading smartphone, Deutsche Telekom had been generating decent sales from its American operation, with growth in some years surpassing that achieved in Germany.

But after the iPhone went on sale, sold exclusively at first by AT&T in the United States, T-Mobile USA began to lose its most lucrative customers, those on fixed monthly plans, who defected to its larger American rivals — AT&T and Verizon Wireless, which began selling the iPhone in February.

The percentage of T-Mobile USA’s contract customers fell to 78.3 percent in 2010 from 85 percent in 2006, according to the company’s annual reports. During 2010 alone, T-Mobile USA said it lost 390,000 contract customers to rivals.

“The iPhone effect cannot be underestimated in this decision,” said Theo Kitz, an analyst at Merck Finck, a private bank in Munich. “Without being able to sell the iPhone, T-Mobile was in an unsustainable position and T-Mobile USA became a problem child.”

The sale of the American unit by Deutsche Telekom, which is based in Bonn, was welcomed by investors, and the company’s stock was up more than 12 percent in late trading Monday in Frankfurt. Under terms of the deal, Deutsche Telekom will receive $25 billion in cash from AT&T and $14 billion in stock, representing an 8 percent stake in the AT&T. If the deal clears an antitrust review, AT&T would become the top wireless carrier in the United States.

The Deutsche Telekom chief executive, René Obermann, said the sale of T-Mobile USA was the best outcome for the company, which last year began looking for a partner for the unit, ranked No.4, behind Verizon Wireless, AT&T and Sprint.

Mr. Obermann said Deutsche Telekom would use proceeds from the sale to modernize its European networks, which extend from Germany to Britain, the Netherlands, Austria, Poland, the Czech and Slovak Republics, Hungary, the Balkan peninsula and Greece.

“We found the best solution for our company, our customers and our shareholders,” Mr. Obermann said in a statement. “Our position in Europe will be strengthened.”

The sale of the unit would reduce Deutsche Telekom to a purely European operator. Its largest competitors on the Continent, Vodafone, France Télécom and Telefónica, all have extensive wireless businesses outside of Europe.

“T-Mobile USA has always been a challenging business for Deutsche Telekom, but at the same time one that has offered growth potential to offset a stagnating western European business,” said Thomas Wehmeier, an analyst at Informa in London. “Without T-Mobile USA, Deutsche Telekom becomes a pure European play.”

The American market has always been challenging for European operators. Vodafone, the British mobile operator that has a 45 percent stake in Verizon Wireless, has not received a dividend from its venture in the United States since 2005. Telefónica, the Spanish operator that is the largest in Latin America, has never made a bid for the American market, despite its growing Spanish-speaking population.

Through its stake in AT&T, which would make Deutsche Telekom the largest single shareholder in the operator, the German company will “continue to share in the fast-growing U.S. mobile business,” Mr. Obermann said.

Deutsche Telekom entered the American mobile market in May 2001, when it completed its $50.7 billion acquisition of VoiceStream, a wireless operator in Seattle whose network ran on the global system for mobile communications, or GSM, the same technology as used by Deutsche Telekom and most other European operators.

For most of the past decade, the market in the United States grew faster than Deutsche Telekom’s own home market in Germany, where three aggressive competitors — Vodafone; O2, a unit of Telefónica; and E-Plus, a unit of the Dutch operator KPN — compete for mobile customers.

In some years, the unit was Deutsche Telekom’s star performer. In 2006, revenue at T-Mobile USA rose 15.5 percent from 2005, helping offset a 5 percent decline in the German market. The business helped finance Deutsche Telekom’s extensive severance costs to streamline German payrolls and adapt to the company’s eroding domestic landline business.

But the positive effect from T-Mobile USA began to diminish as the subsidiary started losing contract customers after the iPhone’s introduction, which came at a time when the German company had to consider spending billions of euros to upgrade its American network grid to the latest standard, Long Term Evolution, or LTE.

At the end of 2010, T-Mobile USA had the highest monthly “churn” rate of departing customers, 3.2 percent, more than double the 1.3 percent rate of Verizon and AT&T, according to figures from Merrill Lynch. The German company was earning 21 percent of its revenue in the United States from data services, compared with 30 percent at Verizon.

Until recently, the German operator resisted selling bulk access to its American network to virtual mobile network operators, which limited its ability to generate additional revenue.

“Deutsche Telekom had the wrong strategy in the U.S. market,” said John Strand, an analyst in Copenhagen who tracks virtual network operators. “It acted like it was a copy of T-Mobile Germany, the market leader, but that wasn’t the case. I know of at least 30 virtual network operators which were rebuffed by T-Mobile USA. It was a mistake.”

In the end, Deutsche Telekom decided the looming costs of its network upgrades in the United States and additional purchases of broadcast spectrum were too risky given the decline in contract customers, Mr. Kitz, the Merck Finck analyst, said.

After factoring in all of the costs and profit generated by T-Mobile USA over the course of its engagement, Deutsche Telekom will be left with a profit of about €500 million, or $710 million, from its unit, Mr. Kitz estimated.

He said he expected the German operator to inject part of the money into its Greek operator, OTE, which is struggling amid the country’s economic crisis. “The Greek business is not going well,” Mr. Kitz said.

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Re: AT&T buys T-Mobile for a mere $39B
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2011, 08:19:52 PM »
great deal for At&t. if it goes though, they will be the only big company that can do voice and data at the same time.
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