Author Topic: Manny Pacquiao Vs. Sugar Shane IS TODAY (Saturday, May 7th) (Read 37444 times)

Jaime · « **Reply #175 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:25:59 PM »

Quote from: Cliff Clavin on May 08, 2011, 12:20:53 PM

that's not the point...point is pacman is fighting 5 weight classes above where he should be and people still wanna discredit him because he hasnt fought this or that person...lets see martinez go up 5-6-7-8 weight classes then on top of that tell him to fight the absolute best in those classes or he's cherry picking...Im a martinez fan btw....

the fight is mayweather and that fight isnt/hasnt happened because of mayweather not pacman...

Nah, he started when he was about 16 or something. People grow a lot between their mid teens and thirties, also worth bearing in mind is the small differences in divisions in the modern era.

The differences at the upper weights are a lot more pronounced. Besides as far as i know Martinez isn't fighting shot to pieces cruiserweights and getting everyone hugginh his nuts for it.

che · « **Reply #176 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:27:44 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on May 08, 2011, 12:09:30 PM

Martinez has never fought weighing in 200 plus lb, where as Manny has fought around 154lb. Manny needs to stop the cherry picking,

Another thing.

Mosley was looking at Manny like a lover the majority of the fight, what did he touch gloves about 1000 times, take his cheque, be all best buddys, that shit isn't boxing sorry.

Touching gloves is a sign of respect ,it have nothing to do with the way you perform , is a competition not a real fight.

Jaime · « **Reply #177 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:30:13 PM »

Quote from: che on May 08, 2011, 12:27:44 PM

Touching gloves is a sign of respect ,it have nothing to do with the way you perform , is a competition not a real fight.

Problem being he was doing it constantly, the whole fight had a surreal atmosphere. No intensity.

You show respect at the begining and at the end, or as a sign of sportmanship. It was a glorified sparring session.

Cliff Clavin · « **Reply #178 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:31:01 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on May 08, 2011, 12:25:59 PM

Nah, he started when he was about 16 or something. People grow a lot between their mid teens and thirties, also worth bearing in mind is the small differences in divisions in the modern era.

The differences at the upper weights are a lot more pronounced. Besides as far as i know Martinez isn't fighting shot to pieces cruiserweights and getting everyone hugginh his nuts for it.

are you saying 154lbs is pacmans natural fighting weight?..it's not even close man...All im saying is people sound absurd in the same vain as its absurd to say martenez should go fight a heavyweight and on top of that fight the best heavyweight...

che · « **Reply #179 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:32:16 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on May 08, 2011, 12:30:13 PM

. It was a glorified sparring session.

Nah ,it was a mismatch

G_Thang · « **Reply #180 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:34:26 PM »

Quote from: Cliff Clavin on May 08, 2011, 12:20:53 PM

that's not the point...point is pacman is fighting 5 weight classes above where he should be and people still wanna discredit him because he hasnt fought this or that person...lets see martinez go up 5-6-7-8 weight classes then on top of that tell him to fight the absolute best in those classes or he's cherry picking...Im a martinez fan btw....

the fight is mayweather and that fight isnt/hasnt happened because of mayweather not pacman...

Sergio Martinez can out box a 40 yr old SMW, punch drunk CW and Evan Holyfield at HW if he runs and hit enough and if Arum can find the LEGIT belts to pull this kind of BS off and sell it to people. Now, hand pick a SWW, WW and SLW, and set those fights at catch weights which they do know. The problem is Sergio is 36 yrs old, so age got him. Manny rise cover 138 is complete BS. No fucking way he fights Margo for belt coming off of a suspension when there was Berto and two other 147 belt holders in Europe who are putty much young and undefeated. Hope you dropping $50 for the Pac vs Marq III fight in Oct.

Love me some Arum more than Manny and Shane like touching gloves.

Jaime · « **Reply #181 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:36:03 PM »

Quote from: Cliff Clavin on May 08, 2011, 12:31:01 PM

are you saying 154lbs is pacmans natural fighting weight?..it's not even close man...All im saying is people sound absurd in the same vain as its absurd to say martenez should go fight a heavyweight and on top of that fight the best heavyweight...

Not far off 154lb at this stage in his career no, he was an emaciated teenager when he started out.

When has Martinez ever weighed within 5-10lbs even of average heavyweight 225lb?

I'm not even saying he should fight Martinez, just for him and Mayweather who are top p4p, to keep fighting shot/diminished fighters is a bit of a piss take.

G_Thang · « **Reply #182 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:40:47 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on May 08, 2011, 12:36:03 PM

Not far off 154lb at this stage in his career no, he was an emaciated teenager when he started out.

When has Martinez ever weighed within 5-10lbs even of average heavyweight 225lb?

I'm not even saying he should fight Martinez, just for him and Mayweather who are top p4p, to keep fighting shot/diminished fighters is a bit of a piss take.

what are you thinking about? martinez has problems making 160 but is too small for a SMW even at 164. there's the question about drying him out and getting him down to 154, but he'd still fuck manny. he may just loose just enough vs FMWbecause FMW is probably more comfortable at 152 now.

che · « **Reply #183 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:42:54 PM »

Martinez was 175lbs 10 days before his last fight.

G_Thang · « **Reply #184 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:46:17 PM »

Quote from: che on May 08, 2011, 12:42:54 PM

Martinez was 175lbs 10 days before his last fight.

But you know he'd have problems with SMW like Ward, right? Pavlik and Lopez looked like cruiser weights last night. He can make 154-55 but FMW and Manny wont touch the fight, so he gets to knock out Williams again..

che · « **Reply #185 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:51:30 PM »

Quote from: G_Thang on May 08, 2011, 12:46:17 PM

But you know he'd have problems with SMW like Ward, right? Pavlik and Lopez looked like cruiser weights last night. He can make 154-55 but FMW and Manny wont touch the fight, so he gets to knock out Williams again..

Of course he would have problems , that's why you have to give credit to Manny he was a flyweight champion (112 lbs ) FFS.

PS: I agree that ODH and Mosley were BS fights.

G_Thang · « **Reply #186 on:** May 08, 2011, 01:00:58 PM »

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Of course he would have problems , that's why you have to give credit to Manny he was a flyweight champion (112 lbs ) FFS.

PS: I agree that ODH and Mosley were BS fights.
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i've given him credit for his sub 138lb fights. this Arum super lightweight and up stuff is BS. I said a younger sergio can get 7 belts if you can manufacturer his fights. He'd beat Maranda at catch weight of 163 for a vacant SMW. You can easily pick off belts with him with slobs under 160. 154, 147, 144 - just do them at catch weights.

Cliff Clavin · « **Reply #187 on:** May 08, 2011, 01:02:38 PM »

manny could have stayed in the 125-135lbs range fought every 3 months and racked 100 wins if he wanted....i guess people are gonna hate no matter what...

che · « **Reply #188 on:** May 08, 2011, 01:04:27 PM »

Quote from: G_Thang on May 08, 2011, 01:00:58 PM

quote author=che link=topic=371913.msg5339304#msg5339304 date=1304884290]

i've given him credit for his sub 138lb fights. this Arum super lightweight and up stuff is BS. I said a younger sergio can get 7 belts if you can manufacturer his fights. He'd beat Maranda at catch weight of 163 for a vacant SMW. You can easily pick off belts with him with slobs under 160. 154, 147, 144 - just do them at catch weights.

I agree , still a great fighter.

G_Thang · « **Reply #189 on:** May 08, 2011, 01:09:56 PM »

Quote from: Cliff Clavin on May 08, 2011, 01:02:38 PM

manny could have stayed in the 125-135lbs range fought every 3 months and racked 100 wins if he wanted....i guess people are gonna hate no matter what...

no body is hating on manny. it's a BS game letting his camp cherry him thru a welterweight division and saying he is the best ever when he isnt even unify with the current champs. that was unheard of in the days of ray leonard, duran and hearns at 147.

he (arum) 's getting paid, so it's all good.

Jaime · « **Reply #190 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:22:27 PM »

Quote from: G_Thang on May 08, 2011, 12:40:47 PM

what are you thinking about? martinez has problems making 160 but is too small for a SMW even at 164. there's the question about drying him out and getting him down to 154, but he'd still fuck manny. he may just loose just enough vs FMWbecause FMW is probably more comfortable at 152 now.

First sentence i was referring to Manny.

asbrus · « **Reply #191 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:31:44 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on May 08, 2011, 06:18:40 AM

He also has no fucking defence against anyone that can counter punch well.

L0L M0SLEY IS A C0UNTER PUNCHER AND LANDED M0RE CLEAN SH0TS 0N MAYWEATHER THAN 0N MANNY.

asbrus · « **Reply #192 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:32:50 PM »

Quote from: G_Thang on May 08, 2011, 05:31:41 AM

Bitch Gimmick, go look at Arum's comments. Why aren't FMW and Manny avoiding fights?

IFBB Champ 147
WBA Champ 147
Ortiz 147
Berto 147
Martinez 153 (in the mix now)
Judah's name was brought up to Arum, and he said NO at 143 but YES to Marquez at the weight
Bradley is the consensus fighter if Manny fights a young black fighter but has marshmellow hands and has to inflate up to 147 like Marquez. Good win for Manny if Arum lets it happen.

Manny is basically fighting guys coming off bad performances or just at the end of the road. I don't blame, Manny, blame Arum's bank account, because Manny will be a broke Bitch in the Fils in 10 yrs, but he'll have his state salary.

MARTINEZ WALKS AR0UND AT 185 LBS. WHY THE FUCK W0ULD MANNY FIGHT S0ME0NE THAT BIG WH0 CUTS THAT MUCH WEIGHT? IT MAKES N0 SENSE. N0NE 0F TH0SE 0THER FIGHTERS W0ULD P0SE A CHALLENGE T0 MANNY. Y0U'RE N0T MAKING SENSE N0W.

asbrus · « **Reply #193 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:34:31 PM »

Quote from: Cliff Clavin on May 08, 2011, 12:20:53 PM

that's not the point...point is pacman is fighting 5 weight classes above where he should be and people still wanna discredit him because he hasnt fought this or that person...lets see martinez go up 5-6-7-8 weight classes then on top of that tell him to fight the absolute best in those classes or he's cherry picking...Im a martinez fan btw....

the fight is mayweather and that fight isnt/hasnt happened because of mayweather not pacman...

THIS MANNY IS A TRUE 135 LBER. HE WEIGHS IN AT 142 LBS F0R M0ST 0F HIS FIGHTS AND THE FUCKING M0R0NS ARE SAYING HE'S DUCKING MARTINEZ. FUCKING N00BS WHEN IT C0MES T0 B0XING.

asbrus · « **Reply #194 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:37:36 PM »

Quote from: che on May 08, 2011, 09:49:49 AM

haha,ok thong

HE'S JUST TR0LLING

Jaime · « **Reply #195 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:40:21 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on May 08, 2011, 02:32:50 PM

MARTINEZ WALKS AR0UND AT 185 LBS. WHY THE FUCK W0ULD MANNY FIGHT S0ME0NE THAT BIG WH0 CUTS THAT MUCH WEIGHT? IT MAKES N0 SENSE. N0NE 0F TH0SE 0THER FIGHTERS W0ULD P0SE A CHALLENGE T0 MANNY. Y0U'RE N0T MAKING SENSE N0W.

Better fights regardless. It does get confusing with the sheer ammount of weight cutting granted.

Your other post is a contradiction in terms. If he weighs 142 lb dry and shredded then how the fuck is he a true 135lb, where is the weight coming off?

Nobody said he is ducking Martinez, but his stay at welter just like Floyd's hasn't been against the best opposition, in fact it's completely handpicked based on styles/diminished fighters.

asbrus · « **Reply #196 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:43:38 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on May 08, 2011, 02:40:21 PM

Better fights regardless. It does get confusing with the sheer ammount of weight cutting granted.

Your other post is a contradiction in terms. If he weighs 142 lb dry and shredded then how the fuck is he a true 135lb, where is the weight coming off?

Nobody said he is ducking Martinez, but his stay at welter just like Floyd's hasn't been against the best opposition, in fact it's completely handpicked based on styles/diminished fighters.

SIGH. N0T DRY AND SHREDDED. HE D0SEN'T CUT WATER WEIGHT LIKE THE 0THER FIGHTS. EVERY0NE ELSE D0ES. HE M0VED UP 7 WEIGHT CLASSES ALREADY FR0M 105 T0 150? D0 Y0U WANT HIM T0 G0 T0 HEAVYWEIGHT N0W? WHAT BETTER FIGHTS ARE 0UT THERE F0R HIM T0 FIGHT? JUDAH IS N0T AT THE SAME LEVEL AS M0SLEY 0R C0TT0. BRADLEY AND 0RTIZ ARE N0T T0P CLASS FIGHTERS AND MANNY W0ULD WIN EASILY. BERT0 WAS C0NSIDERED THE NEXT BIG THING AND WAS CLEARLY 0VERRATED WHEN HE L0ST. THE 0NLY PERS0N F0R MANNY LEFT T0 FIGHT IS MAYWEATHER.

che · « **Reply #197 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:48:24 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on May 08, 2011, 02:40:21 PM

, but his stay at welter just like Floyd's hasn't been against the best opposition, in fact it's completely handpicked based on styles/diminished fighters.

These are the current champs : welter, Ortiz ,Zaveck ans Senchenko
superwelter,Cotto ,Alvarez ,Bundrage.

Would you give him credit if he beat any of these fighters?

Jaime · « **Reply #198 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:49:39 PM »

Quote from: asbrus on May 08, 2011, 02:43:38 PM

SIGH. N0T DRY AND SHREDDED. HE D0SEN'T CUT WATER WEIGHT LIKE THE 0THER FIGHTS. EVERY0NE ELSE D0ES. HE M0VED UP 7 WEIGHT CLASSES ALREADY FR0M 105 T0 150? D0 Y0U WANT HIM T0 G0 T0 HEAVYWEIGHT N0W?

I'm not to fussed what he does, but if you choose to campaign at a certain weight then you should fight the top fighters, also without weight cutting stipulations to drain fighters. If that's too much then don't fight at said weight.

asbrus · « **Reply #199 on:** May 08, 2011, 02:52:58 PM »

Quote from: che on May 08, 2011, 02:48:24 PM

These are the current champs : welter, Ortiz ,Zaveck ans Senchenko
superwelter,Cotto ,Alvarez ,Bundrage.

Would you give him credit if he beat any of these fighters?

FUNNY THING IS HE ALREADY BEAT C0TT0 WH0'S BETTER THAN ANY 0F TH0SE 0THER FIGHTERS THERE. THEY'RE EITHER HATERS 0R JUST N00BS WHEN IT C0MES T0 B0XING.